Re: StratoUnited
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:45 am
Pancio hate timo tolkki, Pacio hate Italy and Italians, Pancio hate bunnies?
Thank you for your explanation, Pancio. I agree, his solos did contain a lot of that during fast sections, particularly from Infinite through Elements albums.Pancio wrote:Replying to Zenith: Square-built solos means, in my mind, a very static fingering pattern in playing scales which leads Tolkki in playing basically up and down scales in the same neck positions.
So far, I really like Symphony X, but I haven't yet listened to their two latest albums. Their earlier works remind me heavily of a progressive metal answer to Kansas' progressive rock.AAAAAAAAAA wrote:I find the last two Symphony X albums to be completely bland and unoriginal. Just skating by with their technical jobs and production.
this is true, timo tolkki is very simplePancio wrote:Replying to Zenith: Square-built solos means, in my mind, a very static fingering pattern in playing scales which leads Tolkki in playing basically up and down scales in the same neck positions.
the big difference is in the songs, for that i think that jorg Michael left of stratovarius, why the songs of the new stratovarius are more cold that the tolkki songs.ZenithMC wrote:About the whole "soul" argument, I just don't really understand what that means. Soul seems to be a very malleable term that differs from person to person. I have seen multiple people attribute it to Tolkki's playing and omit it from Matias' playing. Very perplexing. Perhaps it's because those fans feel nostalgic for the Tolkki era.
I actually find one song that can touch the tolkki ass and is "Deep Unknow" about feeling speaking, all the others have a very high skill in guitar but is more cold in feelingsZenithMC wrote:Matias and Tolkki have both written solos that I consider emotionally captivating. I could say the same about their songs, as well.
Preaching to the choir!! I believe these guys have their own abilities where they shine brighter than others. Some people can do more with less technicality, some get lost in it all. It’s important to remember people have their strengths and weaknesses, but modern production can mask it, also. Opinions, opinions. It doesn’t have to be so long and complicated and we could move on to other subjects.AAAAAAAAAA wrote:I love his solos like Mother Gaia, Destiny, Season of Faith's Perfection, Years Go By, When the Night Meets the Day, Anthem of the World. I don't agree that all of his solos were alternate picking / shredding, though yes- many were. I believe as a composer he has an incredible ear for melody.Pancio wrote:Tolkki was actually a good player in it's prime but, after Dreamspace, he decided to concentrate on alternate picking only.
Then yes, there are examples of Tolkki playing outside and/or chromatic (I walk to my own song), but later he started going downhill with pentatonic and "emotional" boring solos.
I find the last two Symphony X albums to be completely bland and unoriginal. Just skating by with their technical jobs and production. Symphony X in their heyday released two great albums- Divine Wings, and V. Also Twilight in Olympus and the Damnation Game. But I believe the golden era of Stratovarius (4thD/Episode through Elements Pt 1) does hold its own against Symphony X's best.I love everything until Elements Pt.1 and Stratovarius is my favourite band still, but i can admit there were/are better players and better composers.
Symphony X came later, for example, but Michael Romeo is far beyond Tolkki as a player and composer.
Yes, Mike Romeo is a more technical player than Tolkki- but I remember more of Tolkki's solos and melodies.
Polaris and Elysium both have a progressive metal flair that is not present in most Tolkki era compositions, which increases their complexity. I think that the extra complexity is additive to my enjoyment of those albums, but others may prefer a simpler approach.Motha-faka wrote:the big difference is in the songs, for that i think that jorg Michael left of stratovarius, why the songs of the new stratovarius are more cold that the tolkki songs.
That's an interesting point. The one pure Matias ballad I can think of is Fairness Justified. Matias doesn't often write ballads. I attribute this mostly to the fact that the other Strato members will end up writing the ballad(s). Tolkki wrote some very good ballads during his Stratovarius tenure.Motha-faka wrote:Matias not wrote a lot ballads, i cant compare tolkki with kupiainen why he only have 1 ballads in co write with kotipelto
Elysium (the song) is also my favorite Matias song. I disagree with the "no passion" part, though (I'm not really sure if I interpreted that right). Part 3 of Elysium is absolutely gorgeous, and it actually managed to make me tear up. Songs don't normally ever do that to me.Motha-faka wrote:the best song of Matias is Elysium for much but including Elysium not that the heavy passion that tolkki put in his songs
They are great! Enjoy it.ZenithMC wrote: So far, I really like Symphony X, but I haven't yet listened to their two latest albums. Their earlier works remind me heavily of a progressive metal answer to Kansas' progressive rock.
Do you mean being warmed up over years of touring with Strato vs. now where he sits in his house and doesn't do that, or is this an actual concept? I tried to look it up and all the search results were about sex.Pancio wrote:(warm and cold playing is bullshit since it's a completely subjective thing)
I believe he is referring to people describing "soulful" playing, where "warm" means "soulful" and "cold" means "soulless".SentineLEX wrote:Do you mean being warmed up over years of touring with Strato vs. now where he sits in his house and doesn't do that, or is this an actual concept? I tried to look it up and all the search results were about sex.Pancio wrote:(warm and cold playing is bullshit since it's a completely subjective thing)
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