CHAOS in Norway

[JensJohansson]

That is one fucked up dude.

Here is the manifesto:

http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman02/4e2b3 ... dence.docx

Whoa, lots and lots of text! More skilled writer than eg. Auvinen.

Definite tl;dr vibes here ..

[NeonVomit]

So, coming across analysis of all this already (isn't the internet wonderful?) Here's some that I found written by a Norwegian person that I am shamelessly stealing and posting here:

* He comes from a powerful (if not THAT rich) family. His relatives have plied their trade in different political departments, and as a result is part of the political elite. This probably explains why (conspiracy theorists are going to love this) he managed to become a member of the freemasons at such a young age.

* He still maintains that he did it all by himself. He has admitted to the bombing as well sa shooting and killing the kids at the Political Camp. His lawyer says that Anders felt terrible about killing the kids, but in his head he simply had to do it. Norwegian version here.

* He selected his lawyer himself, and the lawyer have earlier on represented a guy called Ole Nicolai Kvisler. This Ole Nicolai guy killed a adopted kid because of his skin. The reason Anders wanted to hire this lawyer is, according to the article "That they once worked in the same building". This lawyer wanted the police to keep his name secret because he is a former member of the labour party.

* Anders thinks of himself as a crusader and here is a bit of advice for other potential crusaders in regards to hiring a lawyer:

Det er viktig å finne en kandidat som forstår at dette ikke er en rettssak om å oppnå laveste straff, men om å redde Europa fra kulturmarxisme og islamisering, skriver han i manifestet.

What he says it that this isn't a case of going through with a trial in order to get as little jail time as possible, but that this is a trial of which the purpose is to save Europe from Islamization and Cultural Marxism.

* He has pleaded not guilty (no criminal liability). Now, I'm not sure of how Norwegian criminal law works, but I think it's something akin to someone claiming diminished responsibility or insanity in the UK/US legal system.

*He also said that people don't know what's best for them and that in a few generations, the Norwegian people will thank him.


And he's 32 and was living at home with his mother, apparently. Hitchcock anyone?

[Shurik]

The guy is a Christian Zionist, which is important considering the youth camp he targeted had a rally in support of Palestinian statehood the day before.

Not to mention Mahmoud Abbas was in Norway this week for his statehood push.

Yeah, let's all blame the evil Zionists. He was an agent of ZOG.

Seriously, this reminds me of John Doe from Se7en almost... maybe less sophisticated, but still effective. It's amazing how some people can just simmer under the surface for years before exploding like that.

That does sound like a fitting analogy.

[Ilsekena]

Whatta sick mofo!! He believes that government policy is fundamentally wrong and that he and all like-minded people must do their duty to get Europe into the right direction. Arbeiderpartiet has many members from minority backgrounds, also that he was chosen as target. Hm...

[browneyedgirl]

Incoherent hysterical crap that has no relevance to the current topic

Look, I'm not getting into this bullshit with you again. You have issues, get help.

Stop being such a smartass.

The shooter/bomber is going to give a statement tomorrow. It will be interesting to see what crazy excuses this nutcase will come up with. Another Tim McVeigh probably.

[NeonVomit]

Incoherent hysterical crap that has no relevance to the current topic

Look, I'm not getting into this bullshit with you again. You have issues, get help.

Stop being such a smartass.

Excuse me? Did I say anything about you? I'm not the one rambling on about irrelevant topics, thank you very much.

Anyhow, reading through the stuff he wrote is... disturbing. It's like he was caught in a world of video games, steroids and fanaticism... I guess this is what going completely off the rails looks like

[NeonVomit]

...what the hell??

Since I was 12 years old I was into the hip-hop movement. For several years I was one of the most notable “hip-hop’ers” from Oslo’s West side. It was a lot easier to “gain respect and credibility” in Oslo West because of the demographic factors. Oslo West was the “privileged and predominantly native side” of Oslo with very few immigrants in contrast to the East side which was less peaceful. Graffiti and break dance was an important part of our life at that point. Around 1993 and 1994, at 15, I was the most active tagger (grafitti artist) in Oslo as several people in the old school hip-hop community can attest to. Our standard “graffiti raid” consisted of going out at night, in groups of 2-3, with our backpacks full of spray cans. We took our bikes and “bombed” city blocks with our tags, “pieces” and crew name all over Oslo. “<Morg>, Wick and Spok” was everywhere. The fact that hundreds of kids our own age all over Oslo West and even Oslo East looked up to us was one of the driving forces I guess. At that time it felt very rewarding to us. If you wanted girls and respect then it was all about the hip hop community at that time. The more reckless you were the more respect and admiration you gained

[browneyedgirl]

Anyhow, reading through the stuff he wrote is... disturbing. It's like he was caught in a world of video games, steroids and fanaticism... I guess this is what going completely off the rails looks like Confused

What is scary is that there are probably thousands of sickos like that in every country all over the world. :shud: Ticking timebombs......

[Shurik]

...what the hell??

Since I was 12 years old I was into the hip-hop movement. For several years I was one of the most notable “hip-hop’ers” from Oslo’s West side. It was a lot easier to “gain respect and credibility” in Oslo West because of the demographic factors. Oslo West was the “privileged and predominantly native side” of Oslo with very few immigrants in contrast to the East side which was less peaceful. Graffiti and break dance was an important part of our life at that point. Around 1993 and 1994, at 15, I was the most active tagger (grafitti artist) in Oslo as several people in the old school hip-hop community can attest to. Our standard “graffiti raid” consisted of going out at night, in groups of 2-3, with our backpacks full of spray cans. We took our bikes and “bombed” city blocks with our tags, “pieces” and crew name all over Oslo. “<Morg>, Wick and Spok” was everywhere. The fact that hundreds of kids our own age all over Oslo West and even Oslo East looked up to us was one of the driving forces I guess. At that time it felt very rewarding to us. If you wanted girls and respect then it was all about the hip hop community at that time. The more reckless you were the more respect and admiration you gained

This is a picture from The Happening, isn't it? One of the dumbest things ever put on film.

[Ilsekena]

We live in terrible times dear friends. Do not be surprised..

[Irinia]

I am just so incredibly sad
A horrible, horrible day! I live one hour outside of Oslo and luckily I was not in Oslo that day.

I am just out of words..

[miditek]

Incoherent hysterical crap that has no relevance to the current topic

Look, I'm not getting into this bullshit with you again. You have issues, get help.

You've already jumped into it head-first (as usual). Enjoy your unicorns- maybe they'll come rescue you from your new white boogeyman, while everyone is sitting around the campfire singing "Kumbayah".

[RazielSR]

My condolences to Norway and nordic people. It's incredible when things like this happens up there. Sweden, Norway and Finland are always an example in many ways. But well, who can control that kind of behaviours? It's impossible, even in countries with very few population like Norway.

[NeverendingAbyss]

This thread:

[miditek]

http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2011/07/ ... -massacre/

No wonder al-Qaeda may not have been behind these recent events- it appears that their indoctrination textbooks had already been issued 48 hours prior to the killings.

Something even more suspicious- why were there no security guards or police present on the island? Too many questions remain at the present time.

"Stalin's Martyrs", they'll be saying before its over with.

[NeonVomit]

...what the hell??

Since I was 12 years old I was into the hip-hop movement. For several years I was one of the most notable “hip-hop’ers” from Oslo’s West side. It was a lot easier to “gain respect and credibility” in Oslo West because of the demographic factors. Oslo West was the “privileged and predominantly native side” of Oslo with very few immigrants in contrast to the East side which was less peaceful. Graffiti and break dance was an important part of our life at that point. Around 1993 and 1994, at 15, I was the most active tagger (grafitti artist) in Oslo as several people in the old school hip-hop community can attest to. Our standard “graffiti raid” consisted of going out at night, in groups of 2-3, with our backpacks full of spray cans. We took our bikes and “bombed” city blocks with our tags, “pieces” and crew name all over Oslo. “<Morg>, Wick and Spok” was everywhere. The fact that hundreds of kids our own age all over Oslo West and even Oslo East looked up to us was one of the driving forces I guess. At that time it felt very rewarding to us. If you wanted girls and respect then it was all about the hip hop community at that time. The more reckless you were the more respect and admiration you gained

This is a picture from The Happening, isn't it? One of the dumbest things ever put on film.

I really don't know, I just came across the gif and felt it... suitably expressed what I felt reading that stuff... and the rest of the stuff he wrote.

[NeonVomit]

http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2011/07/ ... -massacre/

No wonder al-Qaeda may not have been behind these recent events- it appears that their indoctrination textbooks had already been issued 48 hours prior to the killings.

Something even more suspicious- why were there no security guards or police present on the island? Too many questions remain at the present time.

"Stalin's Martyrs", they'll be saying before its over with.

Not really. Norway = incredibly low violent crime rate. Youth camps don't tend to have armed guards from what I gather, and Norway is the kind of country that (well, until yesterday) it was common for top politicians and royalty to go around the streets with little need for security. The guy simply knew what he was doing.

And just to make sure, we're talking about the murder of around 85 children here, right? Ok, just making sure. Because it seems you're not even trying to distance yourself and your views from this psycho... you went straight from 'it was Muslims! How do we know he wasn't a Muslim convert??' to 'well, they were Jew-hating socialists! They had it coming!' without skipping a beat.

'Stalin's Martyrs'? What is wrong with you? They were a bunch of innocent kids murdered in cold blood, you didn't even seem to be upset or bothered in any way by just how horrible this was.

[Shurik]

...what the hell??

Since I was 12 years old I was into the hip-hop movement. For several years I was one of the most notable “hip-hop’ers” from Oslo’s West side. It was a lot easier to “gain respect and credibility” in Oslo West because of the demographic factors. Oslo West was the “privileged and predominantly native side” of Oslo with very few immigrants in contrast to the East side which was less peaceful. Graffiti and break dance was an important part of our life at that point. Around 1993 and 1994, at 15, I was the most active tagger (grafitti artist) in Oslo as several people in the old school hip-hop community can attest to. Our standard “graffiti raid” consisted of going out at night, in groups of 2-3, with our backpacks full of spray cans. We took our bikes and “bombed” city blocks with our tags, “pieces” and crew name all over Oslo. “<Morg>, Wick and Spok” was everywhere. The fact that hundreds of kids our own age all over Oslo West and even Oslo East looked up to us was one of the driving forces I guess. At that time it felt very rewarding to us. If you wanted girls and respect then it was all about the hip hop community at that time. The more reckless you were the more respect and admiration you gained

This is a picture from The Happening, isn't it? One of the dumbest things ever put on film.

I really don't know, I just came across the gif and felt it... suitably expressed what I felt reading that stuff... and the rest of the stuff he wrote.

Actually, that's Mark Wahlberg trying to think in some really ridiculous situation in that godawful movie.

The more I hear and read about this guy, the more I understand how deeply fucked up he was. I'm not even sure he was insane - because he certainly knew exactly what he was doing and whom he was murdering. He deliberately chose the ruling party kids' camp were many of the party members' kids were gathered. It was almost like an execution of the ruling party's next generation, when you think about it ...

[browneyedgirl]

We live in terrible times dear friends.

You are so right about that, and it's going to get worse as time goes on.

Do not be surprised..

Something of this magnitude is always shocking, and so sad.

[miditek]

Not really. Norway = incredibly low violent crime rate. Youth camps don't tend to have armed guards from what I gather, and Norway is the kind of country that (well, until yesterday) it was common for top politicians and royalty to go around the streets with little need for security. The guy simply knew what he was doing.

Those are the official news stories, although there are others that have documented crimes that have gone unpunished in Norway for quite some time;

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/mu ... n-and.html

and plenty of other reports of crime in other cities in the region of Northern Europe, such as Malmö. So it's safe to say that Scandinavia isn't quite the utopia that the press makes it out to be.

And just to make sure, we're talking about the murder of around 85 children here, right? Ok, just making sure. Because it seems you're not even trying to distance yourself and your views from this psycho... you went straight from 'it was Muslims! How do we know he wasn't a Muslim convert??' to 'well, they were Jew-hating socialists! They had it coming!' without skipping a beat.

Again, your 'horror' is quite selective. If this had been Israeli kids that had been killed, then you would have considered it to have been 'justifiable resistance' against the 'illegal invaders of Palestine'. The Israelis have had to endure decades of this type of shit, with each and every libtard in Europe egging on the 'noble' and 'valiant' Palestinian 'freedom fighters'.


Guess what? Now these people know what it feels like to have to face terror now, don't they? They got their response less than 48 hours after these Juni Pionieri began openly demonstrating against the Israelis, and calling for a boycott.

'Stalin's Martyrs'? What is wrong with you? They were a bunch of innocent kids murdered in cold blood, you didn't even seem to be upset or bothered in any way by just how horrible this was.

"Tired of Israel", are they? Perhaps the Almighty had decided 48 hours later to lift His hand of protection, to once again demonstrate the truth in:

"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."- Genesis 12:3

Despite the horror of these events, it is my hope that the survivors that will come to realize that God's hand of protection, even in quiet, secular Scandinavia can certainly be taken away if the 'youths' wish to engage in antisemitic activities- all of which have ended up drawing one of their own nutcases out of the woodwork, and with tragic consequences.

I guess that terror really isn't your own problem until it hits home.

[browneyedgirl]

Some of those stupid, idiotic conspiracy theory websites are saying Israel had that nutcase paid off to do what he did. What a crock of utter bullshit!

[J- &#12373;&]

http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman02/4e2b3 ... dence.docx

Wow... He can make a graphic novel on this but still tl;dr...

[Shurik]

As an Israeli, I'd like to ask from everyone here to try not to involve us in this case. This killing spree had nothing to do with Israel or Palestinians. Contrary to what some might believe, we are not the root of all the problems in this world.

Thank you.

[mayhem-for-all]

Well here comes the best part.
The maximum sentence he can get is 21 years in prison.
That means he will still be around 50 when he gets out and ready for round 2.

[NeonVomit]

Not really. Norway = incredibly low violent crime rate. Youth camps don't tend to have armed guards from what I gather, and Norway is the kind of country that (well, until yesterday) it was common for top politicians and royalty to go around the streets with little need for security. The guy simply knew what he was doing.

Those are the official news stories, although there are others that have documented crimes that have gone unpunished in Norway for quite some time;

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/mu ... n-and.html

Well blogspot is a reliable source of course! And since you're intimately familiar with Scandinavia and Europe and have lived there, you would know all about the situation, right?

And just to make sure, we're talking about the murder of around 85 children here, right? Ok, just making sure. Because it seems you're not even trying to distance yourself and your views from this psycho... you went straight from 'it was Muslims! How do we know he wasn't a Muslim convert??' to 'well, they were Jew-hating socialists! They had it coming!' without skipping a beat.

Again, your 'horror' is quite selective.

No, it's not. Innocent life is innocent life. Again? I never was 'selective' with my horror.

If this had been Israeli kids that had been killed, then you would have considered it to have been 'justifiable resistance' against the 'illegal invaders of Palestine'.

Use the search function and find anywhere I've said anything of the sort. Actually do it this time, or have the courage to admit you're talking crap.

The Israelis have had to endure decades of this type of shit, with each and every libtard in Europe egging on the 'noble' and 'valiant' Palestinian 'freedom fighters'.

I like how you complain and obsess about this waaaay more than any Israeli people on this forum do. Doesn't that make you stop and think?

Innocent life is innocent life. You're obviously not able to grasp this concept.

Guess what? Now these people know what it feels like to have to face terror now, don't they? They got their response less than 48 hours after these Juni Pionieri began openly demonstrating against the Israelis, and calling for a boycott.

You've experienced terrorism first hand many times then? You're a real expert, right?

"Tired of Israel", are they? Perhaps the Almighty had decided 48 hours later to lift His hand of protection, to once again demonstrate the truth in:

"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."- Genesis 12:3

So a loving God would see it fit to have children murdered.

By this logic, he also saw it fit 'lift his hand of protection' on 9/11 to allow 3,000 people to be murdered. Please, find one of the families who's lost a child or a loved one in this or any other terrorist attack and tell them that, since it's so important to know.

Despite the horror of these events, it is my hope that the survivors that will come to realize that God's hand of protection, even in quiet, secular Scandinavia can certainly be taken away if the 'youths' wish to engage in antisemitic activities- all of which have ended up drawing one of their own nutcases out of the woodwork, and with tragic consequences.

Your researching skills are terrible.

Firstly, please, find anyone Norwegian right now and say that to them in person, since it's such a vital piece of information.

Secondly, given that only about 13% of the population of Norway describe themselves as 'non-religious or other', with 84% identifying themselves as Christians; therefore the statistical likelihood is that the overwhelming majority of the victims were in fact Christians. This means that your insane ramblings actually do not make any sense even within their own twisted context. That's quite a feat, I have to admit.

I fail to see how these kids were guilty of anything that could possibly deserve this sort of punishment.

You do realise you're trying incredibly hard to justify the acts of a psychopathic mass murderer, right? Don't try to dodge the question by childishly making up things about me, this has nothing to do with what I believe, I am asking you a question about your own beliefs and I want you to for once answer the question, if you are to have any sort of credibility whatsoever.

Are you trying to justify the murder of 86 innocent children? Answer this question.

Because if you are, you actually have mental health issues and are the most horrible person alive.

I guess that terror really isn't your own problem until it hits home.

Yeah, I guess I and anyone else in London would know nothing about terrorism. Can you please remind me when the last terrorist attack in your city was which gave you such experience in dealing with the effects of terrorism?

How did you manage to make this about Israel and Palestine again?? This thread is about a national tragedy in Norway that has absolutely zero link to any of that. I merely pointed out the dangers of knee-jerk reactions and you then dragged it into how children should be murdered by God for being socialists.

You really do have serious, delusional problems. You're displaying obsessive behaviour and it's actually pretty damn creepy, because you can talk about almost nothing else other than your hatred of Socialism and Islam and you try to turn every topic into a discussion of these things. As Churchill put it, ''A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject'' and by this definition you are displaying fanatical behaviour.

Get help, for your sake and the people around you before you snap one day and go on a killing spree of your own. According to any amateur website, you're displaying red alert signs of histrionic personality disorder. Look it up.

It's starting to seem that you think it was justifiable for so many children to be murdered, so surely it's not too long before you feel you need to contribute something to some twisted cause.

As an Israeli, I'd like to ask from everyone here to try not to involve us in this case. This killing spree had nothing to do with Israel or Palestinians. Contrary to what some might believe, we are not the root of all the problems in this world.

Thank you.

I think we all know who 'everyone' who will always bring that subject up is... I mean, try to find anyone else who does. We've just had another fine display.

[NeonVomit]

ANYWAY. Back to the topic.

Well here comes the best part.
The maximum sentence he can get is 21 years in prison.
That means he will still be around 50 when he gets out and ready for round 2.

Probably not. The sentence can be extended if the authorities feel he is a danger to society, which he clearly is.

The scariest thing about all this is There might be more of them. He claims to have had two accomplices.

The death toll from the shootings has been confirmed at 68. Not as bad as 86, but still 68 too many

[NeonVomit]

Some of those stupid, idiotic conspiracy theory websites are saying Israel had that nutcase paid off to do what he did. What a crock of utter bullshit!

...yeah, that's the sort of thing you tend to find on those websites. I knew a kid in school who was running one about aliens and how they live amongst us. He was a nice guy, but very odd. I think he's now a chiropractor.

It's people just seeking attention via a horrible event.

[browneyedgirl]

Some of those stupid, idiotic conspiracy theory websites are saying Israel had that nutcase paid off to do what he did. What a crock of utter bullshit!

...yeah, that's the sort of thing you tend to find on those websites. I knew a kid in school who was running one about aliens and how they live amongst us. He was a nice guy, but very odd. I think he's now a chiropractor.

It's people just seeking attention via a horrible event.

Yeah, maybe. But there are lots of people in the world who feed on that fodder!

[NeonVomit]

Some of those stupid, idiotic conspiracy theory websites are saying Israel had that nutcase paid off to do what he did. What a crock of utter bullshit!

...yeah, that's the sort of thing you tend to find on those websites. I knew a kid in school who was running one about aliens and how they live amongst us. He was a nice guy, but very odd. I think he's now a chiropractor.

It's people just seeking attention via a horrible event.

Yeah, maybe. But there are lots of people in the world who feed on that fodder!

Penn & Teller explain it better than I ever could

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[miditek]

Well blogspot is a reliable source of course! And since you're intimately familiar with Scandinavia and Europe and have lived there, you would know all about the situation, right?

The blog was written by a Scandinavian that does live there, you imbecile. The mayor and police chief of the city of Chattanooga say that there is no gang problem here, although the newspapers themselves are filled with stories of 'youths' that are involved in drive-by shootings on a daily basis, although they are always quick to point out that there was 'no evidence that the shootings were gang related'.

And just to make sure, we're talking about the murder of around 85 children here, right? Ok, just making sure. Because it seems you're not even trying to distance yourself and your views from this psycho... you went straight from 'it was Muslims! How do we know he wasn't a Muslim convert??' to 'well, they were Jew-hating socialists! They had it coming!' without skipping a beat.

Again, your 'horror' is quite selective.

No, it's not. Innocent life is innocent life. Again? I never was 'selective' with my horror.

If the Jews and Christians were wiped from the face of the earth it would not be too soon for you. After all, their beliefs don't pass scientific muster now, do they?

If this had been Israeli kids that had been killed, then you would have considered it to have been 'justifiable resistance' against the 'illegal invaders of Palestine'.

Use the search function and find anywhere I've said anything of the sort. Actually do it this time, or have the courage to admit you're talking crap.

No need to use the search command when your silence on such issues proves implicit (if not explicit) approval.

The Israelis have had to endure decades of this type of shit, with each and every libtard in Europe egging on the 'noble' and 'valiant' Palestinian 'freedom fighters'.

I like how you complain and obsess about this waaaay more than any Israeli people on this forum do. Doesn't that make you stop and think?

To the best of knowledge, there is only one Israeli member on the forum- although Shurik is certainly not the only Israeli that I am acquainted with. I have no problems with him, and would assume that this is a mutual situation.

Innocent life is innocent life. You're obviously not able to grasp this concept.

Innocent only if they are a party member in good standing, right Dr. Stuckart?

Guess what? Now these people know what it feels like to have to face terror now, don't they? They got their response less than 48 hours after these Juni Pionieri began openly demonstrating against the Israelis, and calling for a boycott.

You've experienced terrorism first hand many times then? You're a real expert, right?

I am free to state my own opinions, and whether you agree with them or not is not my problem. I've had guns pulled on me before, and have also been shot at before (and on more than a single occasion), so I think that I can relate at least somewhat. Why do you think that there are nearly 400,000 CCW permit holders in my state at the present time?

"Tired of Israel", are they? Perhaps the Almighty had decided 48 hours later to lift His hand of protection, to once again demonstrate the truth in:

"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."- Genesis 12:3

So a loving God would see it fit to have children murdered.

I said that He may have lifted His hand of protection, and the perpetrator obviously made up his own mind of what would happen next. Your theological arguments are weak, and being an atheist anyway, are counterproductive.

By this logic, he also saw it fit 'lift his hand of protection' on 9/11 to allow 3,000 people to be murdered. Please, find one of the families who's lost a child or a loved one in this or any other terrorist attack and tell them that, since it's so important to know.

I'll do exactly that, just as soon as you find a survivor and tell them that America got what was coming to it, due to its imperialist presence around the globe.

Despite the horror of these events, it is my hope that the survivors that will come to realize that God's hand of protection, even in quiet, secular Scandinavia can certainly be taken away if the 'youths' wish to engage in antisemitic activities- all of which have ended up drawing one of their own nutcases out of the woodwork, and with tragic consequences.

Your researching skills are terrible.

Based on your own metrics, which are of little consequence to me.

Firstly, please, find anyone Norwegian right now and say that to them in person, since it's such a vital piece of information.

It was a Norwegian that wrote the blog post that you were bitching about in the first place, and if you would read the fucking comments, the responders were also largely Scandinavian.

Secondly,

given that only about 13% of the population of Norway describe themselves as 'non-religious or other', with 84% identifying themselves as Christians; therefore the statistical likelihood is that the overwhelming majority of the victims were in fact Christians. This means that your insane ramblings actually do not make any sense even within their own twisted context. That's quite a feat, I have to admit.

You bitch about my research skills and then what do you do? Go straight to Wikipedia and simply copy/paste. I am certain you were quite the Juni Pionieri yourself during your youth.

I fail to see how these kids were guilty of anything that could possibly deserve this sort of punishment.

I am not saying what happened was right, but what did transpire appears to be a sort of 'decapitation strike' against possible future leaders of the party. At least that is what I suspect must have been dancing in Breivik's sick mind.

The left has been ramrodding its agenda down nearly everyone's throat in both Europe, as well as America, and I find it quite surprising that the response from the left's diametric opposites have taken as long as it did.

You do realise you're trying incredibly hard to justify the acts of a psychopathic mass murderer, right?

No, I am not, and stop trying to insinuate that I am.

Don't try to dodge the question by childishly making up things about me, this has nothing to do with what I believe, I am asking you a question about your own beliefs and I want you to for once answer the question, if you are to have any sort of credibility whatsoever.

I will not answer your question, due in large part to typically narcissistic and condescending attitude. You are not the sole determining factor as to whether anyone (including myself) has 'credibility' or not.

Because if you are, you actually have mental health issues and are the most horrible person alive.

Your opinion is just that...an opinion, it is not binding, and this is merely a web forum. Nothing more and nothing less.

How did you manage to make this about Israel and Palestine again?? This thread is about a national tragedy in Norway that has absolutely zero link to any of that.

I have already answered that question in a previous post- use your search function for the keyword "boycott". It is perfectly acceptable for either of us to have our own personal views as to the 'hows and whys' as to what happened there- the cause and effect, if you will.

I merely pointed out the dangers of knee-jerk reactions and you then dragged it into how children should be murdered by God for being socialists.

When do you ever 'merely' point anything out? When do you ever quote someone clearly? Ever the lawyer, you choose to play (thinly veiled, I might add) games of semantics to suit your own political agenda, and I'll tell you right now that those types of games may work on the weak-minded, but not with me.

I have already stated my opinion on what could have been behind this, and I really could care less what you believe. If the right-wing is indeed the threat that you imagine, then why was there no police protection? Why did it take the police that long to get there, even though the news helicopters were on the scene rather quickly, were they not?

You really do have serious, delusional problems. You're displaying obsessive behaviour and it's actually pretty damn creepy, because you can talk about almost nothing else other than your hatred of Socialism and Islam and you try to turn every topic into a discussion of these things. As Churchill put it, ''A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject'' and by this definition you are displaying fanatical behaviour.

Let's not bring Churchill into this, as I'm quite sure that you would call him a 'racist' and would probably spit on him during a protest if he were alive today. You have this warped, narcissistic worldview that IF only there were no Jews, Christians, Caucasians, right-wingers, et al, then you would be perfectly happy in your little Communist forest of unicorns and candy canes, but alas, 'whitey' just won't let you.

et help, for your sake and the people around you before you snap one day and go on a killing spree of your own.

Don't worry about me, you should focus on your own personality disorders. I carry a weapon everywhere I go, and am well aware of the laws that regulate armed citizens in my state. I hope that I never have to shoot anyone, but if I did, it would only be within the very strict parameters as specified by TCA (Tennessee Code Annotated), and only then would it be in self-defense.

Did you ever consider that a single (legally) armed citizen can often make the difference between life and death in dangerous situations? There's the old saying that, "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

Strictly a hypothetical situation, since a) I am not a Norwegian national, and b) Issuance of CCW permits to civilians in Norway is not permitted by the law. With that being the case, IF something like incident were to happen in my state, of which a) I am a citizen, and b) where Tennessee is indeed a "shall issue" state, if I were a witness to what happened in Norway, and if I could get a clear line of sight on the assailant, then I would have had no problem whatsoever using deadly force to stop the threat and to save lives.

According to any amateur website, you're displaying red alert signs of histrionic personality disorder.

Look it up.

It's starting to seem that you think it was justifiable for so many children to be murdered, so surely it's not too long before you feel you need to contribute something to some twisted cause.

Apparently, you've been displaying some histrionics of your own, particularly with those that disagree with you or don't necessarily kowtow to the official party line in old Moscow. As far as the other comments go, pull your head out of your Marxist ass and get a fucking life. Get this straight motherfucker, I am not your tar-baby- and as much as you would like to somehow "trigger" a "response" from me, it simply ain't gonna happen. You'll need to look elsewhere for your next white boogeyman now that this Breivik psychopath is now under lock and key.

As an Israeli, I'd like to ask from everyone here to try not to involve us in this case. This killing spree had nothing to do with Israel or Palestinians. Contrary to what some might believe, we are not the root of all the problems in this world.

Thank you.

I think we all know who 'everyone' who will always bring that subject up is... I mean, try to find anyone else who does. We've just had another fine display.

I like how you always attempt to rally other people into your own mindset. "We've seen this" or "We've seen that", for instance. Shut the fuck up and speak for yourself, idiot. Although it could hardly be said that Shurik and I share theological views, it would be difficult for me to believe that he or I have any personal problems between us.