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| I agree! Though I don磘 think that TK - I mean Tony Kakko - is an unworthy dude without talent as you do |
I've never said this. He has certain talent as a composer since most of the early Sonata Arctica stuff, aside from being Stratovarius-worship, sounds pretty good. But I don't understand what is supposed to be so great about his voice. A lot of people told me he is their favourite singer. How? To me his voice sounds just very, VERY thin. I don't think he is an undworthy dude with no talent. I just think that his voice isn' as great as everyone makes it out to be. |
He has virtually no range and no fullness, the most he has is some interesting tonality.
He's nowhere near the singer that Hansi is, who can sing in 5 octaves with the most power of any singer in the genre. |
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Empathica1928
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Rebel wrote: |
| Ragehead91 wrote: |
| sheryl1 wrote: |
| I agree! Though I don磘 think that TK - I mean Tony Kakko - is an unworthy dude without talent as you do |
I've never said this. He has certain talent as a composer since most of the early Sonata Arctica stuff, aside from being Stratovarius-worship, sounds pretty good. But I don't understand what is supposed to be so great about his voice. A lot of people told me he is their favourite singer. How? To me his voice sounds just very, VERY thin. I don't think he is an undworthy dude with no talent. I just think that his voice isn' as great as everyone makes it out to be. |
He has virtually no range and no fullness, the most he has is some interesting tonality.
He's nowhere near the singer that Hansi is, who can sing in 5 octaves with the most power of any singer in the genre. |
I totally disagree. Tony has plenty of range and over the past few years has really shown what he can do with his voice. Hansi may have a wider range, but I don't think he is as powerful as Tony is. Maybe if you compare Hansi back in the 90s to Tony now, I'd agree with you, but since A Night At The Opera, I've really been unable to handle Hansi's voice for extended periods of time. All the overdubbing is driving me insane, and his voice just sounds weak and flat to me. Not to bash Blind Guardian, as I love them, but I think Tony sings with 10 times the emotion Hansi does, especially considering Sonata's lyrical themes are much more realistic than Guardian's. |
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The Buttmonkey
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You: He has virtually no range and no fullness, the most he has is some interesting tonality.
He's nowhere near the singer that Hansi is, who can sing in 5 octaves with the most power of any singer in the genre.
Me: After having seen them live I can tell you that he has a HUGE range. At least 4 octaves.
He also has a more full voice than Kotipelto does live.
(However I still like Kotipelto better.)
Kakko is even an excelent yodeler. |
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| The Buttmonkey wrote: |
You: He has virtually no range and no fullness, the most he has is some interesting tonality.
He's nowhere near the singer that Hansi is, who can sing in 5 octaves with the most power of any singer in the genre.
Me: After having seen them live I can tell you that he has a HUGE range. At least 4 octaves.
He also has a more full voice than Kotipelto does live.
(However I still like Kotipelto better.)
Kakko is even an excelent yodeler. |
Kakko?
Four Octaves???
I've listened to every Sonata Arctica album, and believe me, I'm a fan of the band, but Kakko doesn't even have as good of a range as Timo Kotipelto, let alone Hansi Kursch.
I mean. Fuck. His falsetto, FALSETTO, on Ecliptica barely seems to get into the fourth octave, and I've never heard him go deep into the second octave. It's a nice voice for what he uses it for, but he is NOT a four octave singer. |
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| 4 octaves is really not so much I think with falsetto included. I have easily heard him cover notes from 4 different octaves. What抯 on a cd does not show singers full vocal range in most cases. I doubt many people try for their highest or lowest note in their career and those notes can change as a person抯 range expands or shrinks in both the long and the short term. Ability is not static and people should not assume that what a person does do it what they can do. |
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The Buttmonkey
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Kakko?
Four Octaves???
I've listened to every Sonata Arctica album, and believe me, I'm a fan of the band, but Kakko doesn't even have as good of a range as Timo Kotipelto, let alone Hansi Kursch.
I mean. Fuck. His falsetto, FALSETTO, on Ecliptica barely seems to get into the fourth octave, and I've never heard him go deep into the second octave. It's a nice voice for what he uses it for, but he is NOT a four octave singer. |
I am a 3 octave singer with no training whatsoever C#2 to F5 (falsetto included)
At the concert I went to, he had an extremly deep voice able to hit low notes effortlessly. (not in songs though, between songs)
Had I tried to sing along with him, I would've failed miserably, because I don't have as large of a vocal range as him. This makes it entirely plausible that he has a four octave vocal range.
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| I've listened to every Sonata Arctica album |
Yes, that means that you know every note he is capable of hitting because he tries to show off to everybody how huge his range is. 
Of course, the only way to know is to ask him.
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| Kakko doesn't even have as good of a range as Timo Kotipelto, let alone Hansi Kursch. |
I never said he did. Kotipelto without a doubt has a bigger range, and I like him better, but Kakko is better than you give him credit for. |
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| The Buttmonkey wrote: |
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Kakko?
Four Octaves???
I've listened to every Sonata Arctica album, and believe me, I'm a fan of the band, but Kakko doesn't even have as good of a range as Timo Kotipelto, let alone Hansi Kursch.
I mean. Fuck. His falsetto, FALSETTO, on Ecliptica barely seems to get into the fourth octave, and I've never heard him go deep into the second octave. It's a nice voice for what he uses it for, but he is NOT a four octave singer. |
I am a 3 octave singer with no training whatsoever C#2 to F5 (falsetto included)
At the concert I went to, he had an extremly deep voice able to hit low notes effortlessly. (not in songs though, between songs)
Had I tried to sing along with him, I would've failed miserably, because I don't have as large of a vocal range as him. This makes it entirely plausible that he has a four octave vocal range.
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| I've listened to every Sonata Arctica album |
Yes, that means that you know every note he is capable of hitting because he tries to show off to everybody how huge his range is.
Of course, the only way to know is to ask him.
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| Kakko doesn't even have as good of a range as Timo Kotipelto, let alone Hansi Kursch. |
I never said he did. Kotipelto without a doubt has a bigger range, and I like him better, but Kakko is better than you give him credit for. |
Generally speaking, you wouldn't count falsetto in a vocal range, and so far as I can tell, Kotipelto has around a range of 3 octaves (w/out falsetto). I can't imagine Kotipelto hitting above anything in the fifth octave, and Kursch gets into the sixth. |
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icecab21
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we can count whistle and vocal fry in there and have all bets are off for musical usefuless
kakko knows kotipelto can go higher, but really any singer who prided themselves on their high notes is really a joke and im sure none of these guys care how high they can go or do comparisons like this. for me its more about emotional devivery and all three of the guys are great at it. |
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| Too many sweaty drunk guys together!! Or am I wrong? Are their too many sweaty women?!?! Maybe I'll reconsider if yngwie j mallmmsteener reuinted with jenswie j johaannsonstein and played....NOT. Every time I see videos of that place it just kills me that I will probably never go there ......ever. |
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| I am going to Wacken too! |
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Sorry to jump in to go off topic again, but this Kakko/Kotipelto range discussion intruiges me! 
I think Rebel is giving Kakko a bit too little credit! I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, but I think it's quite possible Kakko could have an equal, or perhaps bigger range than Kotipelto.
Also, I'll say now that both are great singers and range isn't everything. One doesn't have to have a large range to be a good singer, but like I say, this interests me. So anyway!
Kakko's highest note is a G#5 in Destruction Preventer (in head voice, not falsetto). I'm not sure if he could hit this note anymore, but even if he could I don't think he'd try, because super high-pitched singing isn't his style anymore, and he's looking after his voice by not singing unnecessarily high.
As for lowest note, I'm not entirely sure, but The Buttmonkey (great name ) is correct, Kakko does sing/talk really low in-between songs at live shows, example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-UmzrraMy0 (I believe he goes to D2 at about :15, and maybe lower later on when he says 'boom'). Also there's a live video of Tallulah where he goes to C2 (but maybe vocal fry).
I don't know as much about Kotipelto's voice, but I believe his highest is a Bb5 in Tomorrow (one note higher than Tony), however, I've heard that the lowest he can go is E2, but someone might have to confirm this (I don't know if he can go lower). If this is the case, then:
Kakko: C2 or D2 ~ G#5 (3 octaves 8 or 6 semitones)
Kotipelto: E2 ~ Bb5 (3 octaves 6 semitones)
I do think Kotipelto sounds a bit more comfortable in high notes though. Tony sounded a bit strained/thin when he went really high, but he's really improved over the years.
But anyway, like I say, range isn't important, and both Kotipelto and Kakko are great singers  |
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| Tony himself said that Silence was the peak for him when it comes to high notes, i like his voice better when he doesn't try to reach for the high notes. |
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I have heard Kotipelto go very low too.
Well I don't know about notes so... |
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Wacken is Over any setlist of the Show? i only find a vid in youtube enjoy
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Home from Wacken! They played these songs
Hunting High and Low
Higher We Go
Speed of Light
The Kiss of Judas
Against the Wind
Deep Unknown
Eagleheart
Winter Skies
Phoenix
Paradise
Black Diamond
Stratovarius and Edguy were the best bands on Saturday. On Friday Arch Enemy was very good. Alice Cooper, Motley Crue and Iron Maiden were all just boring! |
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Stratovarius to play Wacken, start work on new album in 2010
I never liked TK's 
Two poor albums in a row by SA... Have no hopes left for them.