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SentineLEX
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:59 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

First listen. Gorgeous art and great production. Not sure how I'd rank it yet. My tastes are Trinity > In Paradisum > Land of New Hope, and I'd probably put this one on either side of the Symfonia album.

All in all good, not sure if I'd call it great yet.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:01 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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The album has leaked. I quite liked it!

Where'd you find the leak?


this website is pretty useful and updated https://en.metal-tracker.com/torrents/ search.html sorry for taking too long to reply

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Mr Hadder wrote:
SentineLEX wrote:
Mr Hadder wrote:
The album has leaked. I quite liked it!

Where'd you find the leak?


this website is pretty useful and updated https://en.metal-tracker.com/torrents/ search.html sorry for taking too long to reply


No worries. I found it on TPB a while back.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:42 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I am hearing rumors from people within the business that Timo barely had anything to do with Return to Eden. Sounds like it's Revolution Renaissance all over again. Again, just rumors, but... wouldn't surprise me.

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I am hearing rumors from people within the business that Timo barely had anything to do with Return to Eden. Sounds like it's Revolution Renaissance all over again. Again, just rumors, but... wouldn't surprise me.

Could be, but it sounds enough like him that I can't take those rumors too too seriously.

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Hi guys,

Once again sorry for the delay but I'm very busy with work and stuff.

That said, just to be clear and in response, I'm not happy at all if the album is not written, produced, mixed, recorded and/or played by Tolkki itself, I'll be furious because it's a sort of "misleading advertising", a dirty way to sell easier shitty music.
But I just don't care that much 'bout the label as long as the music is good and, I have to ammit that: Promises was a good single, and it remind me of Strato, a lot.

The actual problem with the album? It's full of filler tracks and one of the worst produced album ever heard from a "big" company along with Avalon II.
In Avalon II the problem was everything. Man, that album was shit!
About Avalon III the problem is the bouncing of the solos, just horrible, and the lack of precision in guitar playing is obscene.
There's a song, "Give me Hope", completely messed up during the solo part: wrong timing and completely out of tune.
Other problems are the solos from other songs, copypasted and cutted without fading or correction, lame.
But I like some of the Easter Eggs like the riff from Tomorrow or the song Now and Forever, a HHaL clone.

I rate this album 5/10 just for the production errors, the poor writing (the ballad sucks) and Anneke voice, horrible and painful to hear with that nasal tone.

About the rest I'm saddened to inform you that the solos on this album are not from Tolkki nor the production or the writing.
Tolkki recorded a couple of solos and helped with hints, but the whole album is from Lonobile, a bland copy of Tolkki style.
Tolkki wasn't able to create anything and Frontiers decided to close as soon as possible their contract with a dead musician and, in fact, Tolkki has left Frontiers forever, blaming them for lack of support and the same old story.

That's it, now you know the truth.

Well, let's see what will come; hope Timo gets better and stop posting shit on his Facebook, he need to think to the tour or he'll be out forever.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:45 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Pancio wrote:
Hi guys,

Once again sorry for the delay but I'm very busy with work and stuff.

That said, just to be clear and in response, I'm not happy at all if the album is not written, produced, mixed, recorded and/or played by Tolkki itself, I'll be furious because it's a sort of "misleading advertising", a dirty way to sell easier shitty music.
But I just don't care that much 'bout the label as long as the music is good and, I have to ammit that: Promises was a good single, and it remind me of Strato, a lot.

The actual problem with the album? It's full of filler tracks and one of the worst produced album ever heard from a "big" company along with Avalon II.
In Avalon II the problem was everything. Man, that album was shit!
About Avalon III the problem is the bouncing of the solos, just horrible, and the lack of precision in guitar playing is obscene.
There's a song, "Give me Hope", completely messed up during the solo part: wrong timing and completely out of tune.
Other problems are the solos from other songs, copypasted and cutted without fading or correction, lame.
But I like some of the Easter Eggs like the riff from Tomorrow or the song Now and Forever, a HHaL clone.

I rate this album 5/10 just for the production errors, the poor writing (the ballad sucks) and Anneke voice, horrible and painful to hear with that nasal tone.

About the rest I'm saddened to inform you that the solos on this album are not from Tolkki nor the production or the writing.
Tolkki recorded a couple of solos and helped with hints, but the whole album is from Lonobile, a bland copy of Tolkki style.
Tolkki wasn't able to create anything and Frontiers decided to close as soon as possible their contract with a dead musician and, in fact, Tolkki has left Frontiers forever, blaming them for lack of support and the same old story.

That's it, now you know the truth.

Well, let's see what will come; hope Timo gets better and stop posting shit on his Facebook, he need to think to the tour or he'll be out forever.


At This point i don't give a flying F.ck about what u say if the album was written and played by someone else besides TT coulnd't care less. Tolkki is back is Active is Healthy is in good terms with the whole Stratovarius band he's going on tour overall he is Happy and that's what it matters if you don't like the album well Fuck you very much for the comments and move on mate Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:35 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Kmasters wrote:
Pancio wrote:
Hi guys,

Once again sorry for the delay but I'm very busy with work and stuff.

That said, just to be clear and in response, I'm not happy at all if the album is not written, produced, mixed, recorded and/or played by Tolkki itself, I'll be furious because it's a sort of "misleading advertising", a dirty way to sell easier shitty music.
But I just don't care that much 'bout the label as long as the music is good and, I have to ammit that: Promises was a good single, and it remind me of Strato, a lot.

The actual problem with the album? It's full of filler tracks and one of the worst produced album ever heard from a "big" company along with Avalon II.
In Avalon II the problem was everything. Man, that album was shit!
About Avalon III the problem is the bouncing of the solos, just horrible, and the lack of precision in guitar playing is obscene.
There's a song, "Give me Hope", completely messed up during the solo part: wrong timing and completely out of tune.
Other problems are the solos from other songs, copypasted and cutted without fading or correction, lame.
But I like some of the Easter Eggs like the riff from Tomorrow or the song Now and Forever, a HHaL clone.

I rate this album 5/10 just for the production errors, the poor writing (the ballad sucks) and Anneke voice, horrible and painful to hear with that nasal tone.

About the rest I'm saddened to inform you that the solos on this album are not from Tolkki nor the production or the writing.
Tolkki recorded a couple of solos and helped with hints, but the whole album is from Lonobile, a bland copy of Tolkki style.
Tolkki wasn't able to create anything and Frontiers decided to close as soon as possible their contract with a dead musician and, in fact, Tolkki has left Frontiers forever, blaming them for lack of support and the same old story.

That's it, now you know the truth.

Well, let's see what will come; hope Timo gets better and stop posting shit on his Facebook, he need to think to the tour or he'll be out forever.


At This point i don't give a flying F.ck about what u say if the album was written and played by someone else besides TT coulnd't care less. Tolkki is back is Active is Healthy is in good terms with the whole Stratovarius band he's going on tour overall he is Happy and that's what it matters if you don't like the album well Fuck you very much for the comments and move on mate Laughing Laughing Laughing


Hey, dude, calm down.

Nobody want to criticize Tolkki, I was only pointing out that Avalon III it's not his own work but a bland copypaste of his style.
I was criticizing Frontiers, not Tolkki.

That said, Tolkki isn't back and isn't going well at all, he is in his "good" phase of bipolar disorder, sooner or later he will be back in his maniac and depressed phase, it's a fact because this mental disease works like this, with up and down, it's a fact and you can learn something instead of bashing people not agreeing with you.

About Strato, they're in good terms with Tolkki, and I'm happy for Tolkki and the guys, but that's it. They're not pals or friends, their in good terms.
We will see what the future will be, maybe some shows together? Maybe an album? Maybe a collaboration? Dunno but I don't care, I'm happy like this, without gossip.

Now my opinion: you, fans, must stop throwing shit to everyone not euphoric for news like Tolkki back on social media (with a lot of cringeness), he is a musician, not an influencer, and I'm happy in him playing music (and he isn't able to play guitar, at the moment, he isn't practicing and you'll see on the Latin America tour).

Nuff said; learn to respect opinions.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:46 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Good stuff. Thanks for the clarification, Pancio.

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Are there different versions out there, I don’t really hear a completely off time and out of tune solo in give me hope , what I heard could hardly be called a solo and sounded more like just playing a lead melody line, and I thought godsend was a good ballad and enjoyed its melodies and harmonies

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:01 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think at least that Timo wrote the music and lyrics, there’s way too much keys, heroes and freedom in the lyrics to be written by someone else. And the album is a bit better than the last one I think

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:13 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This is disappointing news if true. It's certainly not impossible to imitate Tolkki's compositional style, however.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:40 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I actually listened to that song "Give me Hope" and dear lord in heaven. Was position of vocalist given to the lowest bidder?

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