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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:32 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think Tony wishes he was in a band like Coldplay or U2. Not a fast paced melodic metal band. I got the impression that this was the Tony kakko band with some hired guns on stage...who felt no representation or pride in the music they were putting out.

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I think Tony wishes he was in a band like Coldplay or U2. Not a fast paced melodic metal band. I got the impression that this was the Tony kakko band with some hired guns on stage...who felt no representation or pride in the music they were putting out.


Yeah, I think that, too. At this point it really seems like they're just riding on the band name's popularity and nothing more; if the band wasn't already successful I have a feeling a few of them would've dipped out by now but with Tony running the show it has to be a easy gig for all of them.

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Damn, the backlash is strong.
I havent read any good reviews of this album.
is Sonata Arctica on the verge of a breakup?

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is Sonata Arctica on the verge of a breakup?


I really wanted to ask this question, too. It would suck because SA has been one of my favorite bands over the years, but I can't vouch for their last 3 albums.

Edguy received a huge backlash with Tinnitus Sanctus. Age of the Joker was another attempt for Tobi to diverge the band but figured he could just do that with Avantasia. Space Police was an improvement and follows what he left off with Rocket Ride.

You would think that Tony would learn, and I think he tried that with Pariah's Child (honestly, the music is great but there was so much cringe in some parts of the album). Instead of fixing the lyrics and keeping the music, he just went back to the new style.

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I went to a Sonata Arctica concert the other day and it was very lifeless. No one besides Tony was having fun on stage. I think the guy is role playing as Freddie Mercury and the others are bored as hell.

By contrast its incredible how much energy and chemistry the band has in the live footage from the Silence tour or even the For the Sake of Revenge tour.

I really don't think I could have put together a worse setlist for this concert either. I heard only one song from the first six albums.

The band closed with the song "Life", which is just pure trash.

Can you imagine closing your set with the song no one wants to hear?


Saw them in Seattle. Everyone had fun for FullMoon, a decent number of people sounded like they heard X Marks the Spot for the first time but enjoyed it, and rest of the show (all songs from last two albums) was pretty low energy. But agreed that Tony came off pretending to be Freddie Mercury.

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adrian9 wrote:
is Sonata Arctica on the verge of a breakup?


I really wanted to ask this question, too. It would suck because SA has been one of my favorite bands over the years, but I can't vouch for their last 3 albums.

Edguy received a huge backlash with Tinnitus Sanctus. Age of the Joker was another attempt for Tobi to diverge the band but figured he could just do that with Avantasia. Space Police was an improvement and follows what he left off with Rocket Ride.

You would think that Tony would learn, and I think he tried that with Pariah's Child (honestly, the music is great but there was so much cringe in some parts of the album). Instead of fixing the lyrics and keeping the music, he just went back to the new style.


He seems like he's trying (and arguably failing) to come up with something that isn't in the shadow of the first 4 albums. Probably sucks to be in your 40s and be seen as having peaked in your 20s

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As Tony needed a reprieve from writing power metal songs, it begs the question of what would have happened had Tony decided to release his alternative material under a different name?

My understanding is that it probably would have been beneficial in the long run. It would have avoided the rift that occurred within the SA fan base, as well as alleviated any possible conflicts of musical direction within the band.

Then, when Tony felt the inspiration necessary, he could create a new SA album that is more stylistically familiar to the SA fan base.

As a musician and composer, if, at some point in the future, I feel the urge to try new and very bold things, or get tired of my current musical direction, This is probably how I will handle this situation. It just seems like a more pragmatic solution to me.

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As Tony needed a reprieve from writing power metal songs, it begs the question of what would have happened had Tony decided to release his alternative material under a different name?

My understanding is that it probably would have been beneficial in the long run. It would have avoided the rift that occurred within the SA fan base, as well as alleviated any possible conflicts of musical direction within the band.

Then, when Tony felt the inspiration necessary, he could create a new SA album that is more stylistically familiar to the SA fan base.

As a musician and composer, if, at some point in the future, I feel the urge to try new and very bold things, or get tired of my current musical direction, This is probably how I will handle this situation. It just seems like a more pragmatic solution to me.


It would have sold less simply because the other material wouldn't have the words "Sonata Arctica" on them. The label would definitely pressure against that.

Moreover, how would you draw the line? Unia and TDoG sound much different than WHG and RN, but arguably most of the songs on them sound like Sonata songs. Maybe those two albums would have even come off as more Sonata-ish with more faster songs included on each album.

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Reckoning Night | Unia

That's your line.

Unia and TDoG sound different, and they were both entertaining, but they don't compare to the previous records. I still remember Tony saying that TDoG was going to be like Silence. That was a damn lie.

SGHN and NH felt like a hangover memory. The new album is the same.

I know people don't like PC as much, but there was definitely effort placed into it. The production was crisp and the melodies were catchy. I honestly thought they were going back to the old style, but alas.

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I remember reading an interview where Tony basically said the band was burnt out and tired after the extended Reckoning Night tour, and needed to write very different material as a result.

SentineLEX wrote:
It would have sold less simply because the other material wouldn't have the words "Sonata Arctica" on them. The label would definitely pressure against that.

This is true, but according to what Tony has said, then perhaps profitability should have come second, as it seems to me that Tony really needed an outlet for novel ideas. He himself acknowledged that he should have released some of the material as a solo album, but was unable to due to time constraints and various practical considerations.

here are some quotes from Tony:

Describing the need for change
http://www.thegauntlet.com/interviews/ 1159/Sonata-Arctica.html
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Yeah, if we had wanted to go into the mainstream, this album is not the one we would be doing here (laughs). This is way too complex to be a mainstream thing, really, in my opinion. This is brain-food, soul-food for us, the band members, really. Something that needed to be done in order to keep the band intact and keep on doing this, because we didn't want to lose Sonata Arctica. And at some point at the end of the last tour we were really tired. And although we were all still having fun the whole band wasn't really there anymore. Like, during the show you can think of completely different things than what you were actually doing there. It's weird. Like, my mouth, I could sing the words but be thinking of something completely different. And that is not good.

In response to SA labeled as "power metal"
http://www.thegauntlet.com/interviews/ 1159/Sonata-Arctica.html
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Well, that wasn't the reason you should not write an album just to prove some kind of point because you're stubborn but I don't know (laughs). No matter what had happened, this would be the album that we would have made at this point. I wrote the songs for other reasons, not to prove that we are not power metal. This is something we have been moving towards for a long time and I think I would have gone crazy if I had just written another, 'Hey! Let's everybody sing along!' album. You know, writing these songs for other artists has proven to me in a way that I could do it. I could write another 'Winterhearts Guild', it's no problem, but it's a matter of ambition and art in a way. I want to do something different, in a way, so I won't regret it when I'm older. Sonata Arctica's taken way too much time for me to be able to write solo albums and promote them and do what I feel is the art within that needs to get out. So, if Sonata Arctica was not that channel, I don't know, I'd go crazy.

About staying creative
http://metal-exposure.com/interviews/ interview-sonata-arctica/
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After Reckoning Night I was done with the style we were doing at the time. Reckoning Night was already a sign that things were changing. It had songs that were a little bit different. Not as drastically as the follow up, Unia, was. But it was in the air and I needed to explore and search for other ways of doing things. In hindsight, it might have been smart to find alternative media and forums for exploration, like solo albums, but we did not have time for that. Sonata Arctica needs to stay active for many reasons.

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Moreover, how would you draw the line?

I'd say the line would be drawn during Unia, as that's where Tony drew the line. I would imagine that some of the stranger sounding songs of the later albums you mentioned would be hauled off to his own project, and he'd fill in the missing space with some more SA-esque material. That much is theoretical, of course.

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It's probably not every time, but why does Tony sound like sometimes he uses "we" where he really means "I"? I remember TDoG came about because he was depressed around that time, wondering if this was the beginning of that. And PC was an honest attempt to go back to the old style without losing the new.

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Reckoning Night | Unia

That's your line.

Unia and TDoG sound different, and they were both entertaining, but they don't compare to the previous records. I still remember Tony saying that TDoG was going to be like Silence. That was a damn lie.

SGHN and NH felt like a hangover memory. The new album is the same.

I know people don't like PC as much, but there was definitely effort placed into it. The production was crisp and the melodies were catchy. I honestly thought they were going back to the old style, but alas.


There was effort placed into it but I disagree about the production. It's better than the production on Talviyö but I've never been happy with a Pasi mix.

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It's probably not every time, but why does Tony sound like sometimes he uses "we" where he really means "I"?

Yeah, I don't know what the other SA member's opinions of the change in musical direction were, except for Jani, who didn't enjoy Unia very much. Who knows if what they said in the interviews reflect their actual thoughts on the matter. Every time Tommy gives his opinion of a SA song, he says it's his favorite SA song. How can that be possible? Laughing Then again, that was during Pariah's Child track-by-track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmA- Nv050fQ, so who knows what the mood of the band is, internally, five years later.

Here's an excerpt from Jani reviewing Stones Grow Her Name
https://janihatesyouall.blogspot.com/ 2012/06/stones-grow-her-name.html
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To be perfectly honest I didn't like Unia too much, although it had it's moments, and I never heard the next one (don't remember the name) from start to finish. I heard some of the new one and I give you this: I thought the banjo-rock-song (again, don't remember the name) was pretty funny, and "I Have a Right", which I've heard a few times, has a great chorus, I like it a lot. Really sticks in your head. Kudos for that, it's what I always thought the band should be about, great songs and great hooks.

It's interesting to me that Jani liked the chorus of I Have a Right, as the chorus of Constellation of Tears sounds partially inspired by it.

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There's a lot of parallels to Stormcrow songs and other bands's songs, but I never caught the connection to I Have a Right. Good ear

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I'm not simply disappointed by the change in style. I think that even in the chosen style, Sonata does a mediocre job. It's just a product of middle-aged complacency.

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Yeah, the melody is the most important element to me in a song. If the melody is half-assed or doesn't invoke any sort of emotion in me, then I tend to not like the song very much. I also enjoy ambient songs, but the same rules of emotional impact apply.

In SA's newest material, the melodies don't impact me in the slightest. When there are sections that are actually melodic, they tend to sound overly happy and lack any tension or drama, and thus, any reason for me to be interested.

I don't believe age has anything to do with this, and I'll use Stratovarius anytime as an example of a band which defies the age argument. I think it solely has to do with passion and ambition, and it's clear that Tony lacks both of those for writing power metal material (or writing catchy melodies).

I also understand that after a while of writing songs in the same genre, you tend to start asking yourself how you can make your material exciting and interesting again. I've been there many times, and even occasionally had writer's block, where all of my ideas sounded too derived from everything else I'd done. In order to break out of that, I either had to wait for inspiration to hit, or try something radically different, yet familiar at the same time, as to not lose my musical identity. You could also just write songs in a completely different genre, and eventually, little bits of that will find its way into other aspects of your music and breathe new life into it.

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I don't believe age has anything to do with this, and I'll use Stratovarius anytime as an example of a band which defies the age argument.


You are so idealistic! If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? I would guess around 19-21. No offense intended by the way. Its good to be idealistic.

Stratovarius is not a new band but Matias is writing most of the songs and producing everything. And 3/5th of the band are relatively young.

As you get older, things change and the creative juices do dry. The lack of creativity and emotion is partially mitigated by an increase in experience and skill. Even so, few masterpieces are created by people in their 50s. It is what it is, I'm not trying to be judgmental or mean about it. Phases of life.

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With metal specifically, it's hard to keep writing songs with the same "bite" as your testosterone levels drop.

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I'll be 23 by tomorrow.

Yeah, I agree that people's taste in music can change over time, but at what age am I supposed to expect a composer to start losing their edge? Matias has, for 10 years now, given us really awesome Stratovarius tracks, and he's in his mid 30's. Jens' songs are as badass as ever, and he's in his mid 50's. Lauri's track on Eternal, Lost Without a Trace, is one of my favorites from him (that chorus gets stuck in my head for days), and he's in his early 40's. The Kotipelto/Liimatainen songs are excellent, with Kotipelto in his early 50's and Jani in his late 30's. The youngest member of this band is Rolf, and he's in his early 30's.

Tony Kakko is now in his mid 40's, and he has written a couple songs more recently that show he would be capable of what he put out 15 years ago, had his heart actually been in it. But since he grew tired of writing the "same old stuff", he deliberately changed his musical direction.

In Timo Tolkki's case, I think he psyched himself out by repeatedly thinking that he can't top his songs from the golden era, and achieved a self-fulfilling prophecy. Also, I think the fact that stratovarius didn't instantly become as successful as Metallica after the Elements albums were released "by giving them gold" demoralized him. Not to mention that he is on medications for his mental disorder, which probably zaps a lot of his energy away.

Labyrinth's latest album was really cool, and the guys in that band are in their mid to late 40's.

If you want to go way back in time, Bach had a consistently phenomenal career as a composer. From the songs I've heard, it didn't sound like he lost his creativity near the end of his life.

I don't understand why someone would forget how to produce a melody that touches their heart and soul after many years of experience, just because they've reached some arbitrary age. I can understand that the definition of what they would consider "touching" can change over time, and may no longer align with what touches their fans' hearts and souls.

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Yeah, I agree that people's taste in music can change over time, but at what age am I supposed to expect a composer to start losing their edge?


I appreciate all your points. Its a very complicated and nuanced issue.

I don't think an older person is incapable of producing wonderful music. Judas Priest released what may be the best album of their career a couple years ago (Firepower). Black Sabbath's recent release was also pretty good.

But I do maintain that in any creative endeavor, that magic combination of passion, creativity, experience, and skill, seems to peak before 30 and generally tapers down from there.

You don't get an album like Ecliptica, Return to Heaven Denied, Holy Land, or Images & Words, from a 50 year old. You just don't.

You get albums like Octavarium, Days of Grays, and Architecture of a God.

Of course I am speaking in generalities...

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In Timo Tolkki's case, I think he psyched himself out by repeatedly thinking that he can't top his songs from the golden era, and achieved a self-fulfilling prophecy. Also, I think the fact that stratovarius didn't instantly become as successful as Metallica after the Elements albums were released "by giving them gold" demoralized him. Not to mention that he is on medications for his mental disorder, which probably zaps a lot of his energy away.


A very interesting subject!

Timo Tolkki was never a paragon of stability but his mental health sharply took a turn for the worse around 2004 and believe me it has not gotten better. I don't agree with your specific reasons necessarily but I understand where you're coming from. I believe his creative juices dried up over the years (same as Tony Kakko, sorry...) and he had some strong genetic predisposition to mental illness which certainly threw a wrench in the works. Anyone expecting Visions Pt. 2 from him will be sorely disappointed because he hasn't released a great album in over fifteen year and can barely play his instrument.

Reading his Facebook posts in recent months, he is either:

a) Totally wasted out of his mind 24/7 (yes: his "I haven't had a drop of alcohol in X years" is no more).
b) Under heavy influence of medication that are affecting his judgement and behavior
c) Experiencing some kind of dementia

There is nothing funny about it by the way- but he looks like he's on the brink of total physical and mental collapse.

Just the other day, he wrote a Facebook post inviting "Ladies only" to chat with him on WhatsApp. His own brother responded:

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Tero Tolkki The sense of humour you possessed in the past could have easily explained a post like this just as a joke but I don't think you are even joking anymore. Please remove these types of posts cause you are only harming yourself and allowing people to make fun of you. And it saddens me to a point I don't know whether to laugh or cry anymore.


tragic.

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I went to a Sonata Arctica concert the other day and it was very lifeless. No one besides Tony was having fun on stage. I think the guy is role playing as Freddie Mercury and the others are bored as hell.

By contrast its incredible how much energy and chemistry the band has in the live footage from the Silence tour or even the For the Sake of Revenge tour.

I really don't think I could have put together a worse setlist for this concert either. I heard only one song from the first six albums.

The band closed with the song "Life", which is just pure trash.

Can you imagine closing your set with the song no one wants to hear?


Saw them earlier this month and can confirm all of this. Most of what they played was from the new album which was a let down. They did play Full Moon but no Don't Say a Word, so major bummer. They closed with Life which was fine but a little odd? They played X Marks the Spot which I thought was super out of left field cuz I've seen em play twice before now and that's never happened. Just a little lifeless but they were opening for Kamelot so maybe they just didn't plan the setlist well? I don't know, I'm a SA fan still and I wanna give em a chance; maybe when they play their own tour it'll be better.

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SentineLEX wrote:
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I went to a Sonata Arctica concert the other day and it was very lifeless. No one besides Tony was having fun on stage. I think the guy is role playing as Freddie Mercury and the others are bored as hell.

By contrast its incredible how much energy and chemistry the band has in the live footage from the Silence tour or even the For the Sake of Revenge tour.

I really don't think I could have put together a worse setlist for this concert either. I heard only one song from the first six albums.

The band closed with the song "Life", which is just pure trash.

Can you imagine closing your set with the song no one wants to hear?


Saw them in Seattle. Everyone had fun for FullMoon, a decent number of people sounded like they heard X Marks the Spot for the first time but enjoyed it, and rest of the show (all songs from last two albums) was pretty low energy. But agreed that Tony came off pretending to be Freddie Mercury.


Dude you were at the Seattle show? Me too!

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So basically Sonata Arctica is now just the name of Tony Kakko's solo project, cause otherwise labels and stuff wouldn't even have a look.

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Their current setlist is the worst ever. I mean it already was during summer festivals in Finland. Honestly didn't go to see them in my town because I knew how bad the setlist is. I'm happy about the fact they can still play whatever they want to (or Tony wants to) and make living from it, but still... I've seen them several times before and they come here somewhat regularly anyway so yeah


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So basically Sonata Arctica is now just the name of Tony Kakko's solo project, cause otherwise labels and stuff wouldn't even have a look.

He is about to release actual solo album at some point as well, there's been talk about it at least ever since Stones Grow Her Name. Funnily "Somewhere Close to You" was supposed to be on it if I remember correctly now. To be honest I wonder which would end up being better album, Kakko's first solo album or (what would be at the time) the latest Sonata album.


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It's interesting to me that Jani liked the chorus of I Have a Right, as the chorus of Constellation of Tears sounds partially inspired by it.

Another interesting thing is how "successful" that song actually is. I mean, some years ago when I was on their concert in Finland, during that song audience was very alive. And that was their 15th Anniversary Tour, setlist included songs like "Wolf & Raven", "The Cage", "My Land"... Sure the song has catchy melody and it was played just before the encore, but you know, at the time I was very surprised Laughing


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It's probably not every time, but why does Tony sound like sometimes he uses "we" where he really means "I"?

Yeah, I don't know what the other SA member's opinions of the change in musical direction were, except for Jani, who didn't enjoy Unia very much.

The book has a bit of their opinions, for example Henrik said that Unia was better than Reckoning Night in many ways.

About TDoG he pretty much said it's a mess without identity, some good songs and some that were not supposed to be there at all. Tony of course disagreed.

Henrik seems to tell his opinions more than some of his band mates. Before he knew the lyrics of the latest album, he had said on some interview something like "hopefully Tony won't write any political songs" . And there ended up being more than one song more or less related to political themes? Laughing


Well what I personally think about those two records (Unia and TDoG), now that there's been some talk about them... At first (around the release and for couple of years after that I think) I didn't like Unia at all. Eventually it changed and now I really miss what I would call "aggressive" elements, those really made it more interesting. The Days of Grays again is the last album that really sounds like Sonata Arctica for me, even tho I find 5-6 songs from it rather boring. Back then and still now


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I don't believe age has anything to do with this, and I'll use Stratovarius anytime as an example of a band which defies the age argument. I think it solely has to do with passion and ambition, and it's clear that Tony lacks both of those for writing power metal material (or writing catchy melodies).

One thing it does affect are lyrics tho, at least when it comes to Tony's songwriting. Now he writes "I'm daddy now" -music and in the past something else... Underwear music etc

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I'm back, sorry for the delay! Embarassed

AAAAAAAAAA wrote:
Of course I am speaking in generalities...

Well, if we bring the scope back to only Tony Kakko, I can only use what he himself has stated as evidence, and basing my thoughts on his own words could hardly be construed as idealistic, it's the antithesis. If anything, I'd argue that just saying it's all due to age is very abstract, because, in this case, how do you prove that?

According his quotes that I posted up above, I can only conclude that he changed direction because he felt mentally compelled to, not because he was suddenly incapable of writing power metal songs.

Another point to bring up is that, yes, age can eventually have an effect on your mental capabilities, but that shouldn't happen unless you are elderly, or have some form of age-related mental deterioration, and Tony is nowhere near that age, nor is it a guarantee that any one person will develop said condition in their golden years.

Now to answer this question: Do I think Tony will ever write excellent power metals songs again? My answer: Only if he really really wants to, and has his heart completely in it. Otherwise, not a chance.

And now for the theoretical part:
I hold the opinion that creativity is innate. My reason being: It seems difficult, if not impossible, to teach a non-creative person to be creative. Thus, I feel that if you had the ability to conjure up an incredibly creative idea, irrespective of age, you should always be able to tap into that, under adequate levels of focus, motivation, and inspiration. Of course, creative people cannot be creative all the time. When motivation is low, it can seem like it's impossible to come up with good ideas, which can make it look like that person has lost their creative edge.

SatanicSmile wrote:
Henrik seems to tell his opinions more than some of his band mates. Before he knew the lyrics of the latest album, he had said on some interview something like "hopefully Tony won't write any political songs" . And there ended up being more than one song more or less related to political themes? Laughing

I enjoy it infinitely more when a band tells a story through their lyrics, verses lyrics pertaining to "environmentalism", or "topical political events". Anyone could write lyrics about the environment or politics, which bands often do, and it's been done to death, but not everyone can come up with interesting fictional stories, like what are present and prominent in Reckoning Night.

Of course, there are ways of writing political songs in more interesting ways, such as Abandoned, Pleased, Brainwashed, Exploited. But, that is less common. I don't know if I've ever heard an environmental song that didn't come off as preachy.

Nowadays, Tony has taken a nose dive in the lyrics department. He either writes in a style that is deliberately confusing for the audience to discern, like he's generally been doing since Unia, or, more rarely, he ends up writing lyrics that contain pure cringe.

SatanicSmile wrote:
One thing it does affect are lyrics tho, at least when it comes to Tony's songwriting. Now he writes "I'm daddy now" -music and in the past something else... Underwear music etc

Well, I'd argue it has more to do with the fact that he is a father now, and less to do with his age. I'm not a parent, but I recognize the effects that having children can have on your thoughts and beliefs, and that certainly would affect your lyrical content, to an extent.

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