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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 8:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

no, they don't do that around here because if they did, they'd be giving coupons out by the box fulls. That's another reason I hate fast food places - it's like they must go to the field to pick the potatoes to make the chips with or harvest the wheat for the bread each time there is an order.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Now you are just being silly allison. You know full well they have to go out and GROW the stuff each time there is an order. Which is why I rarely venture into fast food places

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 11:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

@Kaoru: Nice idea with McDonald's you have there Wink But this doesn't exist here...

Hm, well if you have any questions about German, you can ask me as well. Yep, I think it's kinda difficult for you to learn to grammar and especially the vocabulary.... English is much easier. But you know what's funny? I started learning Finnish too but somehow I think that Japanese is easier...acutally most ppl say that Japanese is one of the most difficult languages to learn (especially if you consider Kanji and all that stuff) but I think the grammar is easier than the Finnish grammar.... simple structure in fact.... is it true that you only have to tenses? A past tense and a present/future tense? I think I read this somewhere when I was looking for verb conjugations...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 4:09 am    Post subject: Re: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm sorry if this is not the answer of your question...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 4:17 am    Post subject: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Oh! Japanese is complicated!! >.<
But it look like funny to know!
Someday... I'll learn how to talk in japanese and finnish...
But in the fuuuuuuuuture....
Before that.. I want to speak in French! (and lern the englihs as well)...

So.. this "future" when I'll know 5 different languages... is so far... but not untouchable...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 5:32 am    Post subject: Re: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Oh! Japanese is complicated!! >.<
But it look like funny to know!
Someday... I'll learn how to talk in japanese and finnish...
But in the fuuuuuuuuture....
Before that.. I want to speak in French! (and lern the englihs as well)...

So.. this "future" when I'll know 5 different languages... is so far... but not untouchable...

5 different languages!
so nice!Wink

My brain has little capacity...
I may be forget 1 word , if I memorize 1 word.Shocked

I'll forget even my mother language the day of future...
joking:lol:

I will be troubled if it is not a joke!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Seriously looking at Japan as a whole, i'd like to live there, the music i love is probably easy to find, great RPG video games that either take forever to come to the states or never make it at all, There's tons of violence in video games and movies, but from what i hear (and correct me if im wrong) the level of actually violence is very minimal, to me it seems to be a country of arts and cool stuff. I don't mean to be stereotypical at all so correct me if im wrong, but it sounds like a wonderful place to be living in.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 7:11 am    Post subject: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think is very cool & interesting learn about another cultures & languages !
Japan seems to be very beautiful, here in Brazil have millions of japoneses & their decendants ! I like their arts !
But I don't like the japonese food !

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Re: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Thank you.

I also learn Finnish.
I had heard Finnish is easy to pronunciation for us.
Actually , exist some words that meaning is different but similar pronunciation in Finnish and Japanese.
(BTW Finns male name "Mika" is female name in Japan.)
But grammar is considerably different.
I went to Finland this year.
(to see Strato Very Happy)
But I was not able to understand Finnish well...

I think Japanese does not scrupulous to tenses so much.
Sometimes meaning is changed even if you speak same word.
future tense and past tense are different at many words.
But a present form does not differ from past and future in many cases.
Tense will be judged with other words showing time or situation.
(Therefore I make mistake in English about tense.)

Japanese verb is not conjugation by only tense.

conjugation are

Mizen kei - previously
Renyou kei - continuously
Syushi kei - termination
Rentai kei - (Sorry I can't translate)
Katei kei - assumption
Meirei kei - imperative

Uhhh Sorry I had not studied Japanese lessons seriously, either.

I cannot explain these details. Sad
But If you need , I'll study. Smile

I'm sorry if this is not the answer of your question...


I have some finnish friends that 'try' to teach me Wink I think it'll take some time but it works....slowly Razz But you're right - the grammar IS different... VERY different... even VERY different to the german grammar... but if you have somebody who's good at explaning it's not that difficult anymore Very Happy

Oh, well... I wasn't asking for those explanations Wink Anyway I don't understand them .... Wink But you could give me perhaps one sentence (simple one) conjugated in different tenses to see the differences or something like that...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

http://f4.aaacafe.ne.jp/~jinoji/ zansho.html

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Now you are just being silly allison. You know full well they have to go out and GROW the stuff each time there is an order. Which is why I rarely venture into fast food places


Ahh! So THAT'S why it takes so long. They should maybe use a phostrogen fertiliser to expedite the harvest. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:57 am    Post subject: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

"Japanese people do not know a good portion of Japan."

The foreign woman has said this words in TVCM.
Her husband is Japanese , and she work in Japanese style accommodations "Ryokan".

Her words meaning , In order to know the other world, it is important to understand our country.

I think "Japanese people do not know a good portion of Japan." it is true.
I think , other countries people who is interested in Japan know good point of Japan more than Japanese people.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:43 am    Post subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

BTW a subject is omitted by the case.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:18 am    Post subject: Re: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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But I don't like the japonese food !


Neither do I...

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:41 am    Post subject: Re: Re: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Please let me additional explanation.
Start to send Zansho mimai is "Rissyu".
Rissyu is start day of autumn on Calendar.
This is not being fixed every year.
Because The day when a center of sun passes 135 celestial longitude.
This year Rissyu is 8 Aug.
The date may move by movement of the sun.

Thank you for your additional explanation! Smile
It is a little strange that autumn start (on calendar) in August.
August is a hottest month in Japan! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 3:43 am    Post subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Thank you for your additional explanation! Smile
It is a little strange that autumn start (on calendar) in August.
August is a hottest month in Japan! Very Happy


Yes yes! I think so too! Smile
Usually Aug is the hottest month.
(This year is not usual...)
I think season on the calendar is faster than our season in Japan.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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You are lucky.
Probably, it will be important for learning of language to have the friend who speaks the native language.

Sorry I have written different from your need.

Well

Example

"I went."
(Watashi ha) itta

"I go"
(Watashi ha) iku

"I'll go"
(Watashi ha) iku

"You came"
(Anata ha) kita

"You come"
(Anata ha) kuru

"You'll come"
(Anata ha) kuru

"Did you know?"
(Anata ha) shitte imashitaka?

"Do you know?"
(Anata ha) shitte imasuka?

BTW a subject is omitted by the case.


Thanks for that. Helps me a lot to understand it better Wink Perhaps you can give me more examples like this from time to time Wink

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Thanks for that. Helps me a lot to understand it better Wink Perhaps you can give me more examples like this from time to time Wink


more examples
What kind's are good for you? Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

First I'm sorry to answer so late because I'm just back from holiday (since this morning!). Damn, my exams begin this week...

Japanese grammar is actually very simple, as well as pronunciation. The numbers are a pain to learn, because they change depending on what you're counting... The kanji are difficult to learn because they have different pronunciations and associations, and 2000 kanji is not comparable to our european alphabet. Tongue

Finnish pronunciation is quite close to the Japanese one, there are many similar sounds. The grammar seems to be very different though. I'll learn Finnish seriously when I'll have the time, because learning a language requires many hours of work... but I really want to... Eyes

BTW, about Japanese food, I'm a vegetarian so I don't like anything with meat or fish. But Japanese soups (miso) and ramen are very good. Wink

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First I'm sorry to answer so late because I'm just back from holiday (since this morning!). Damn, my exams begin this week...

Japanese grammar is actually very simple, as well as pronunciation. The numbers are a pain to learn, because they change depending on what you're counting... The kanji are difficult to learn because they have different pronunciations and associations, and 2000 kanji is not comparable to our european alphabet. Tongue

Finnish pronunciation is quite close to the Japanese one, there are many similar sounds. The grammar seems to be very different though. I'll learn Finnish seriously when I'll have the time, because learning a language requires many hours of work... but I really want to... Eyes

BTW, about Japanese food, I'm a vegetarian so I don't like anything with meat or fish. But Japanese soups (miso) and ramen are very good. Wink


Welcome back!

I think Japanese grammer is not simple.
Because I cannot explain Japanese grammar. Laughing

Help me ! jicco! Crying

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Thanks for that. Helps me a lot to understand it better Wink Perhaps you can give me more examples like this from time to time Wink


more examples
What kind's are good for you? Wink


Perhaps some sentenced for 'daily use' or something like that. I know lots of words but not so many things you could use in a conversation...

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 6:30 am    Post subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Perhaps some sentenced for 'daily use' or something like that. I know lots of words but not so many things you could use in a conversation...


Probably although I think that it is the same in other language.
There are polite expressions and casual expressions (and respect expressions).

"Have you heard Staratovarius?"

"Anata ha Stratovarius wo kiita koto ga arimasuka?"
This is a polite expression.

"Stratovarius kiita koto aru?"
This is a casual expression.

"Anata ha Stratovarius wo okikini natta koto ga arimasu ka?"
This is a respect expression.



"What do you think about it?"

(polite)Sore ni tsuite dou omoimasuka?
(casual)Sore tte dou?/Douomou?/Sore tte douyo?
(respect)Sore ni tuite dou omowaremasuka?


The example of casual words.

Do something! - Nantoka shiteyo!
Ask me anything! - Nandemo kiite!
I'll do anything - Nandemo surukara
Nothing special - Nandemo naiyo
I'm back - Tadaima
Are you serious? - Maji?/Hontoni?
That can't be true! - Masaka!
Shame on you! - Mittomonai!/Haji wo shire!
Okay - Iijyan/Iine
Sure - Iiyo
Long time no see - Hisashi buri

I can't find good example about 'daily use' not many.

Are you also need words for greeting?

only casual words required for you?

Please write the contents which you want to know.

I'll made into Japanese.(If I can...)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Re: Re: Japanese culture topic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Welcome back!

I think Japanese grammer is not simple.
Because I cannot explain Japanese grammar. Laughing

Help me ! jicco! Crying

Oh, It's difficult for ME to explain the Japanese grammer in ENGLISH. Shocked
I'll give it a try.
But please give me some time.(^_^;

Ahhhhh Wenn ich Deutsch hier benutzen dürfte!

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Welcome back!

I think Japanese grammer is not simple.
Because I cannot explain Japanese grammar. Laughing

Help me ! jicco! Crying

Oh, It's difficult for ME to explain the Japanese grammer in ENGLISH. Shocked
I'll give it a try.
But please give me some time.(^_^;

Ahhhhh Wenn ich Deutsch hier benutzen dürfte!


Immediately! Laughing

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Kaoru wroteVery Happyo something! - Nantoka shiteyo!
Ask me anything! - Nandemo kiite!
I'll do anything - Nandemo surukara
Nothing special - Nandemo naiyo
I'm back - Tadaima
Are you serious? - Maji?/Hontoni?
That can't be true! - Masaka!
Shame on you! - Mittomonai!/Haji wo shire!
Okay - Iijyan/Iine
Sure - Iiyo
Long time no see - Hisashi buri

I can't find good example about 'daily use' not many.

Are you also need words for greeting?


Thanks for that Wink Hey, I understood some of those. Hm, right now I have nothing else to ask but if I need something translated I'll ask you for sure Very Happy Well, if you mean greetings like: Konnichi wa (or however you write it) and stuff, I already know most of those.

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Oh, It's difficult for ME to explain the Japanese grammer in ENGLISH. Shocked
I'll give it a try.
But please give me some time.(^_^;

Ahhhhh Wenn ich Deutsch hier benutzen dürfte!


If it's easier for you to explain it in German ... why not? Perhaps I can help you with the English translation of it Smile

(Immerhin würde ich es dann schon mal auf Deutsch verstehen... besser als nichts Very Happy)

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(BTW jicco How about you? Wink)

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Although it has decreased comparatively recently , I think female's position in life is lower than male's , in Japan.
I do not know the reality of other countries , but I had heard it is differ from Japan.

I think many Japanese male (especially the middle age more than) have this thinking , "men go to work , women keep house".

I removed from one project by the reason I am woman.

Is this world wide thinking?
I want it to be different.

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Although it has decreased comparatively recently , I think female's position in life is lower than male's , in Japan.
I do not know the reality of other countries , but I had heard it is differ from Japan.

I think many Japanese male (especially the middle age more than) have this thinking , "men go to work , women keep house".

I removed from one project by the reason I am woman.

Is this world wide thinking?
I want it to be different.

Unfortunately I don't think this is only in Japan... Eyes

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