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Nicko
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:28 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

StratoHeart wrote:
Hmmm... let's see.

I can say for sure:

Kurt Cobain is dead.
Cliff Burton is dead.
Randy Rhoads is dead.
Chuck Schuldiner is dead.
Immortal is dead.


I dont see anything heavy metal about any of those!

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About Heavy Metal:

Nightwish is just released one of their best albums;
Children of Bodom is bigger each day pass;
Arch Enemy idem, and it´s working in the next album;
Angra is about to release their next album, which was considered a ;
Helloween ressurected with RDCE;
Stratovarius will be back;
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to me they're all power metal bands

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:46 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Shurik No they´not...they´re exactly the same...they just want to profit profit from their still quite large fanbase who admire the just because of their history when they have been inovative...right now they are clone like any other clone...they are clone of themselves...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:12 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Bah, stop the fucking bullshit! All you LH do is impose your opinion, like you're the owner of the truth, but you are not. So you don't like some bands and they are bad, dead because of that? Give me a break, kid. You should know that you are inside a COMMUNITY, and we preach the respect here. If you don't like something, shut up and search for what interests to you, or open some thread about it. We don't need these stupid controversial disccussions.

Metal scene will never be united only because people created labels. Oh, this band is not heavy metal, they are power metal... And this is not heavy metal, because they play speed metal... Aaahhh!! From Freedom Call to Krisiun, all of them play metal! We all are in the same boat, it's the same universe! Labels are useful just for marketing. Grow up, people, and stop thinking you are expert in rock.

Your taste doesn't matter to me, but I would respect it if you respect others too. And here you go saying that metal is dead... come on. Iron Maiden is the biggest metal band ever, is still on the top and will fall from there only when the band is over, accept it or not, no matter what you think about them. If I like the band? No, I don't like it that much.

And Nicko, you didn't get me at any point. So, nevermind.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:22 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ok stratoheart...maybe i´ve got to agree i may have gone too far this time...but still there is difference betwee n imposing opinion and expressing its meaning...i never insulted anyone in this thread, didn´t use a single curved word...so where the fuck did u get i do not respect you?

and if I may dare to ask what other topic that controvertional do you need?i dunno but i guess THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING TO DEBATE OVER...not just babbling over and over agin "OH TOLKKI IS SO GREAT"...may I get the answer please?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:23 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

fair enough, explain it then, I wanna know what you meant

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:30 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

nicko i think that i have explained it sufficently in posts n this thread...basicaly i was trying to say that heavy metal is not developing thus it is dying...and i was trying to get your opinions on this cause...sadly i mostly got only offended...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:11 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

StratoHeart wrote:

Metal scene will never be united only because people created labels. Oh, this band is not heavy metal, they are power metal... And this is not heavy metal, because they play speed metal... Aaahhh!! From Freedom Call to Krisiun, all of them play metal! We all are in the same boat, it's the same universe! Labels are useful just for marketing. Grow up, people, and stop thinking you are expert in rock.

you´re right, that´s the main point. That´s why there will always be metal
Besides, the topic starter doesn´t seem to like Metal, not even in the classic, raw state (Black Sabbath, Judas Priest), so he doesn´t like metal...AT ALL.
The metal you claimed for maybe dead...for you...
If you don´t accept natural evolution of the style, nor the rawest state of it...and not even those who copy those...what can i do...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:18 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

why the hell everyone here thinks i do not like metal just because i do not like maiden and co.?that´s absolutely outstanding that you know what i like and dislike based on one single information...if i would not liek metal do you think that i would over 300 metal cds at home?but i simply do not like maiden and i do not like metal...?aren´t you guys a little bit narrowminded?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:32 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Pal
1- you said you didn´t like tradicional bands (Iron, Sabbath, Priest)
2- you don´t take other styles as metal (speed/melodic/progressive...)
3- you said there´s some bands that keep copying the others.

So, if Stratovarius, Blind Guardian, Symphony X, Hammerfall, Rhapsody, and so on is not metal, and you don´t like the Classics, what do you want us to think?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:38 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

well lad you´ll have to remind me when i wrote that power,speed progress and so on are not metal...i´ve checked over my posts and i wrote nothing like that...though i DID said that i do not like traditional metal...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:49 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

LittleHarry wrote:
well i do not know but i do not consider Nightwish,Angra,Stratovarius and so on Heavy Metal Bands...for me Heavy Metal are iron maiden,judas priest,manowar,hammerfall,motorhead,blac k sabbath,van halen and bands like this...

okay, so that´s Heavy Metal for you.

LittleHarry wrote:
...personally I cannot stand Maiden,Priest,Sabbath or any Heavy Metal...


Ow my, does that mean__________________
Cmon grandma, please, fufill the space!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:51 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

that means i don´t like heavy metal, that means i do not like bands mentioned above and their clones...satisifed?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:54 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

What i´m trying to tell you here is that Metal Evolutes, just like everything else..so don´t come and say metal is dead...it is alive and accomplishing great things, just as we speak...
This whole separating stuff is awful.
Wanna do yourself a favor? Go Listen to both Nativity in Black - A tribute to Black Sabbath albuns, and you´ll see what i´m talking about. Black Sabbath has developted almost all kinds of metal we see nowadays...the other bands just "perfectionated" (i guess this word doesn´t exist) it...
I agree with Stratoheart. It is all Heavy Metal. We just put sections to organize ourselves! Razz

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:56 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

LittleHarry wrote:
nicko i think that i have explained it sufficently in posts n this thread...basicaly i was trying to say that heavy metal is not developing thus it is dying...and i was trying to get your opinions on this cause...sadly i mostly got only offended...


No sorry thats myfault, My statement was aimed at Stratoheart not you, she'he said I didnt understand her post so i was asking for her'he to verify it, you must have replied seconds before I did.

Sorry

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:12 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

LittleHarry wrote:
well lad you´ll have to remind me when i wrote that power,speed progress and so on are not metal...i´ve checked over my posts and i wrote nothing like that...though i DID said that i do not like traditional metal...

Ok, you don't like it... and so , tell me: is it dead because of that? What a hipocritical vision of things.
You didn't disrespect just me, but everyone who really likes metal in all its styles, no matter how you do call them. And if saying: "I don't like that bands, so they are absolutely dead" is not impose an opinion, so what is it? Anyway, you don't need to open a thread for write these things. This is a kind of negative debate and, as I said before, new members should know how things work here before opening threads. You should start a discussion about things you like, and not about those you don't like... For heaven's sake, guy, am I wrong?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:31 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

you are right in certain way...this thread has quite gone out of control...in the bggining i just wanted to know your opinions wabout whether traditional heavy metal genre is fading,dying away...sadly it has grewn out of control...i´m sorry

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:42 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Traditional heavy metal is not dying, in fact its as alive as it ever was, it's just not as heavy in the media anymore. Talk to any metal fan and you'll see bands like Maiden, Priest, Saxon, even Megadeth are returning back into the high ranks of rock.

Just because you dont like a certain band or genre doesnt make you any less of a metal fan, i hate black,death,grindcore or any of that stuff, doesnt mean i like rock any less.

I dont think Rock will ever really die? Has Elvis died? No, and hes been dead for almost 30 years.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:43 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

but, with all due respect, explaining things the way you did, it was a cretin question. Why? See:
1- You complain about bands that just copy the previous one;
2- You say that, even thou we still praise those old bands, they are dying.
3- You state the evolution of the style.

But my man, if others can´t imitate the band, of course, by this logic, every single band/style is dead by the end of itself (break up, death. etc.)
I believe that praising is what keeps the music alive, and seeing some aspects of those old ones in the upcoming bands.
I personally, would love to die by the age of 80 and still seeing some power bands around...
In fact, every band copies a little...they just add a personal touch...while some don´t even do that. If you don´t accept that you will come to the conclusion that Music is finite and saturated. (which is a blasphemy to Professional Degreed Musicians, but it ain´t my case Razz )
What if Helloween couldn´t copy some aspects of Iron Maiden? I believe it´s all about relating yourself to the musical enviroment. There´s no dead metal. Want an example of a dead style? Disco. I haven´t seen any bands around, have you?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:15 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Labeling bands is stupid so is trying to impose tastes on someone else. Melodic, industrial, grindcore, hard rock or electronic music - who cares as long as it's a good and enjoyable listen?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:49 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Nicko wrote:
fair enough, explain it then, I wanna know what you meant

I said that I can tell they are dead for sure because they are REALLY dead, lying on it's grave. That was the meaning of that part.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:05 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

LittleHarry wrote:
well i do not know but i do not consider Nightwish,Angra,Stratovarius and so on Heavy Metal Bands...for me Heavy Metal are iron maiden,judas priest,manowar,hammerfall,motorhead,black sabbath,van halen and bands like this...

OH

MY

FUCKING

GOD


Is Hammer- wewanttobeManOwaRbutwesuckatpretending- fall heavy metal to you? For fuck's sake! I haven't listened too much Van halen, but it does sound like heavy metal to me by no means, and, as far as Hammerfall is concerned I tried to dig into them in the past and I found them to be the worst pathetic attempt to copy Manowar and such bands ever. They have the worst singer ever, he can't reach high notes, he probably could not sing "Luminous" if he was asked to do that.

Oh my god. If Hammerfall is regarded as a Heavy Metal band, then Heavy Metal is dead.

Luckily, Black Metal is still alive with good bands like In Flames, Dimmu Borgir, Korn and Soilwork!


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:41 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

God Called In Sick Today wrote:
Luckily, Black Metal is still alive with good bands like In Flames, Dimmu Borgir, Korn and Soilwork!


OH

MY

MUTTERFUCKING

GOD!!!!!

Korn?Confused BLACK METAL?ConfusedConfused
Soilwork?Confused???BLACK METAL?ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused?
Or IF for that matter...

Dunno if anyone else gets this but I find this post so utterly hilarious that I'm splitting like right now... Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:19 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Kurva Bicha wrote:
God Called In Sick Today wrote:
Luckily, Black Metal is still alive with good bands like In Flames, Dimmu Borgir, Korn and Soilwork!

Dunno if anyone else gets this but I find this post so utterly hilarious that I'm splitting like right now... Rolling Eyes
Actually you are not the only one to be torn of laugh Very Happy
I didn't even know that In Flames or Dimmu Borgir were considered as "Black Metal"... Maybe I should read the "Black Metal" book.
If Korn are considered as black metal, then i wonder what are Marduk or Dissection ? what is more black than black Confused Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:15 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Give the guy a break dudes!
Laughing
that is why i believe this distinction is a bitch!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:28 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think he was joking Worried

At least i hope so, although Korn are the most heavy, grim, satanic norsk arysk blakk metal band ever Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:18 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Twilightsymphony wrote:
I think he was joking Worried

At least i hope so, although Korn are the most heavy, grim, satanic norsk arysk blakk metal band ever Laughing

BINGO!


I just can't believe how couldn't you get that sarcasm.

EDIT: Cliff and the other guy who believed I was not joking: I officially think you read the forum while you're asleep.


Ehem:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:29 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Do you mean pop-korn? Very Happy

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God Called In Sick Today wrote:

EDIT: Cliff and the other guy who believed I was not joking: I officially think you read the forum while you're asleep
I think you are right about this asleep thing Wink

@Reaper : Fortunately, the PopKorn Killer will arrive soon Very Happy

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Reaper wrote:
Do you mean pop-korn? Very Happy

Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green


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pop-korn with lots of BUTTer Very Happy

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