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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:39 pm    Post subject: I listened to the two Keeper of the Seven Keys albums Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

And found out where Tolkki got his ideas for the first 3 albums. Not to mention all the key references throughout the discography.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: I listened to the two Keeper of the Seven Keys albums Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

SentineLEX wrote:
And found out where Tolkki got his ideas for the first 3 albums. Not to mention all the key references throughout the discography.


Hot take, I don't think the Keeper albums are good or even noteworthy albums, and I'll take Twilight Time and Dreamspace over them NO CONTEST. I think the albums were definitely influenced by them, but I don't actually hear a lot of it in those songs. There's a sophistication even on Twilight Time that I don't hear in the Keepers at all. Just my opinion though.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:53 am    Post subject: Re: I listened to the two Keeper of the Seven Keys albums Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Empathica1928 wrote:
Hot take, I don't think the Keeper albums are good or even noteworthy albums


I think Timo Tolkki and to an extent, every strato member over history will disagree with you.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:10 pm    Post subject: Re: I listened to the two Keeper of the Seven Keys albums Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

adrian9 wrote:
Empathica1928 wrote:
Hot take, I don't think the Keeper albums are good or even noteworthy albums


I think Timo Tolkki and to an extent, every strato member over history will disagree with you.


I mean, that's cool, but what does that have to do with my opinion? They like what they like. FFS I just saw Helloween on Monday and loved every minute of it. The songs are amazing live, but the records sound like ass. Whether Strato likes them or not is completely irrelevant when discussing my opinion.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:39 pm    Post subject: Re: I listened to the two Keeper of the Seven Keys albums Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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SentineLEX wrote:
And found out where Tolkki got his ideas for the first 3 albums. Not to mention all the key references throughout the discography.


Hot take, I don't think the Keeper albums are good or even noteworthy albums, and I'll take Twilight Time and Dreamspace over them NO CONTEST. I think the albums were definitely influenced by them, but I don't actually hear a lot of it in those songs. There's a sophistication even on Twilight Time that I don't hear in the Keepers at all. Just my opinion though.


I would actually assert the opposite. To take a specific example, I think a lot of the themes in Madness Strikes at Midnight, The Hills Have Eyes, and Dreamspace (the song) are hidden under the water in Halloween from Keepers 1. I could agree that relative to length, Dreamspace is a pretty complex and sophisticated song that exceeds what Helloween did in Halloween. But Hills and especially Madness sounds very stilted and like Tolkki wanted to make that same sort of progressive song but without the experience or intuition on how to do it.

Maybe I could just be connecting lines that don't exist, but given it's a pretty self-derivative genre (not that that's a bad thing, it's like a classic archetypal story that gets retold thousands of times over the years, and each with their own twist), that Strato had explicitly tried to sound like Black Sabbath in the past, and Helloween was on a downswing in their career - consider how many Nightwish clones have sprung up ever since they started getting a little stale lately - it doesn't seem unlikely to me that a band that hadn't found a successful identity yet would try to copy one of the greats, maybe unintentionally.

The Keeper albums are definitely noteworthy if only because everyone covers I Want Out all the time, but I'm tempted to agree that they don't hold up too well in current year. Especially compared to what they did ~10 years later, or 7 Sinners. Not bad, but not great.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:21 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

https://youtu.be/0NLDUnSrzqU?t=47s

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:09 pm    Post subject: Re: I listened to the two Keeper of the Seven Keys albums Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

SentineLEX wrote:
I would actually assert the opposite. To take a specific example, I think a lot of the themes in Madness Strikes at Midnight, The Hills Have Eyes, and Dreamspace (the song) are hidden under the water in Halloween from Keepers 1. I could agree that relative to length, Dreamspace is a pretty complex and sophisticated song that exceeds what Helloween did in Halloween. But Hills and especially Madness sounds very stilted and like Tolkki wanted to make that same sort of progressive song but without the experience or intuition on how to do it.


The closest that early Stratovarius came to sounding like Helloween in a musical context was probably We Are the Future. The bridge after the solo in particular wouldn't sound out of place on the Keepers albums. In fact, it sounds somewhat like a combination of the bridge from March of Time, rhythmically, with the verses and/or pre-choruses from Eagle Fly Free, melodically. The former of which's chorus is reminiscent of Learning to Fly's melody to boot. The Hands of Time's pre-chorus sounds similar to I'm Alive's pre-chorus as well. There are quite a number of parallels to be found between those bands.

As far as similarities to other bands go, In the Eyes of the World reminds me of an early Yngwie Malmsteen song (You Don't Remember, I'll Never Forget).

Darkness (my favorite song from Fright Night) sounds like the archetype for The Hills Have Eyes. Darkness has great atmosphere, however, Hills is a huge improvement over Darkness in almost every aspect. The intro and riff that follows is incredible and, ironically, much darker than Darkness. The real similarities between the two are apparent in the way that verses are structured. Madness Strikes at Midnight is much more jarring in its segue between the creepy dark intro and electrifying solo section, or lack thereof. I agree with you that there could have been a better way of solidifying those two segments. The creepiness does make a brief return at the very end of the song. I wouldn't consider Madness to be an atypically structured song apart from the intro. Dreamspace is a completely separate entity from the other songs I mentioned because it doesn't really follow the same structure as them. It is indeed a rather impressive composition. I'd go into further detail but it would probably belong in its own respective thread.

As far as similarities to other music in general go, certain chord progressions are, by far, more common than others. The circle of fifths (choruses of Hunting High and Low, Eagleheart, and Few Are Those come very close) and canon (chorus of We Are the Future) progressions are quite common in choruses and there are sure to be collisions between other artists when they are employed.

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