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And peace to you. Thanks for participating, and as always when I debate, please accept my apologies if I offended you personally.

Väinämöinen wrote : but talk about straw man argument On the contrary. You say guns cause high violence, I say blacks do. (I don't really, but for the sake of argument, pretend I do.) I have more proof for my argument: South Africa has the highest murder rate in the world. Is it the guns, or is it ...

Speaking of Washington, let's discuss where they get illegal things. As you may know, drugs are illegal here in the US too. They're illegal in most countries in the world, in fact. So how do they get to the US? Legality has nothing to do with it. Absolutely nothing. If guns were illegal in the entir...

Do more research. Washington has a total ban on handgun ownership, so obviously it's gun CONTROL that's not working.

And no one yet has addressed how banning guns is beneficial (or FAIR) to the 79,992,000 gun owners in the US who kill no one each year.

That's the main problem. I don't think, though, that banning them (as was suggested earlier) is fair to the 79,900,000+ Americans who use them responsibly every year. 80 million people own then and only 8,000 kill someone with them, that says a lot about the maturity of American society. If only one...

Väinämöinen wrote : You can write that if you want too. But do people take you seriously? Some might. Do people take you seriously when you say guns are bad for the economy? I actually don´t care if you´re not convinced. :) You seem very determined not to change your mind Because I'm already convin...

That 8,000 looks pretty miniscule now, I have to admit. And actually, given that Finland's population is 1/60th of the US's, multiply each of those above numbers by 60 to see how they compare to the US's figure of 8000 homicides. Five and a quarter million burglaries, anyone?

PPS, if you oppose guns because people die from them, the EU should be banning the cars and keeping the guns, not the other way around As for us here in the US, we'll keep our guns, because our country obviously hasn't fallen apart yet.

Väinämöinen wrote : That´s what I say, and that´s what European law says. And because Europe believes it, everyone in the world should believe it. There you go again. Why are automatic weapons forbidden for instance? Congratulations, you just proved my entire point. Automatic weapons are not as eff...

Guns may kill 8,000 people a year, but cars kill 42,000 a year. Cars are no more "necessary" to life than guns are; after all, we lived without cars for tens of thousands of years. Your problem is selective vision. You choose to focus on guns as some cause for crime, when they are not. They play no ...

The truth is right in front of me. Riiiiight. Let's see here... 8,000 firearm deaths in the USA last year. 406,000 from tobacco. 116,000 from alcohol 106,000 from something called PharmCo 19,000 from other "miscellaneous illegal." http://bbsnews.net/drug-deaths.html Yet Europe is banning guns and de...

And if violence and crime are "such a drag" on our economy, would you care to explain how our economy is so much better than Europe's? How Germany's unemployment rate is hovering near 10% and people here are complaining because ours just crested 5.5%? Nice try. None of what you're saying makes any s...

I find it truly ironic that Europe prides itself on being liberal. What's the basic tenet of liberalism? That people can do whatever they want, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. So how is me owning a gun hurting anyone else? You incredible hypocrite.

Väinämöinen wrote : Burglaries or assaults in the USA are so common that they don´t even get reported. Source for that? Even if it is true, the difference is not enough to explain why Finland is 4th on the list and the US 17th. The discrepancy in reporting isn't that large. The point being, people ...

A few more... http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_ass_vic The US has a lower rate of assault than several countries, including Finland (since you asked). http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_bur_cap The US had fewer burglaries than Finland; in fact, Finland is #4 worldwide for most burglaries...

If guns don't reduce crime, then why bother to give them to policemen? :) There's really no difference between carrying a gun for self defense and carrying a knife. Compare violence rates, you say? Alright, bust out some statistics. Be sure to include numbers on burglary and theft, which are traditi...

Guns are a tool. They can be used for hunting, for self-defense, for defense of one's country. They can be used to scare off mountain lions while hiking; they can be used to signal for help (flare guns) when you're lost. The same physics which fire a bullet are used to put communication satellites i...

This came from a post I made on the Koti forum, for the benefit of those who aren't signed up there as well. The original post is much longer, but here's a potent analogy: "Lots of crime is carried out with computers, as well. Like guns, computers can be used for positive things as well as for crime...

For those that live in the United States, guns are the only reason you even have a country. There'd be no war for independence if the colonists hadn't owned guns. Ironically, there's a discussion almost parallel to this one happening on the Koti forum now, and I'll restate the position I made there:...

And PS, it's not "James I" as in Yoda-speak, it's "James the First." Just in case you ever have to read it out loud or something.

I don't know that I've heard anything he sang on, but judging from what I've heard, the general consensus has been that he's unimpressive at best. Of course, individual opinions may differ.

I was going to say something scathing about Tolkki's comment, but it occurred to me that the comment speaks for itself, and there's really no further way to humiliate him.

Why doesn't Tolkki sing for a while, and we can see how good he is? Uh...oops, nevermind.

Hard to tell who's joking and when, it seems...

Sounds like a cover job to me. Have you seen what Anders said about Tolkki on the Hammerfall guest book? I don't think Tolkki originally meant it as a joke; sounds to me like he decided that later to cover it up.

TT did fire Anders, though...at least according to the news item, and to Tolkki's latest news post, and this despite the fact that Anders was never actually in the band at all.

I also doubt that he does, if for no reason other than that he doesn't have the time. He's busy working on his own album, and so busy that he doesn't even have time to update his own website. Why on earth would he come here? If I was him, I wouldn't have any desire to check out the Strato board. Wel...

MaRDuK wrote:
Why should I ? I know exactly what it means and you two liars won't convince me. Because that is what you are. Two whore liars living in a Greece high-class trailer as shown on example below.

Worst post ever.

NordicStorm wrote:
Emperor David Hasselhoff, ruler of the seas and skies and all that lie inbetween!

That usurper!

I suppose I don't really have anything on Hasselhoff...I can't compete with Knight Rider anyway