About this bad atmosphere

[Hellovarius the Simp]

Hello everybody, I'm Dénes from Hungary and fan of Stratovarius since 1998. I want to share you my opinion of this whole thing.

I feel low because of this athmosphere. Stratovarius was Timo Tolkki's band and he wanted to stop it, but the other members didn't want. Thats OK and we must understand both pont of wiew.
But...
after the statements all hell broke lose.

Stratovarius fans are against Stratovarius members or exmembers and members or guest musicians of RR. Are you true fans?

1 - The average age of this forum is about 20-23, I think. Do you think you can use this cynical and boor tone with TT??? He is not only a musician, he is a 42year-old father of a family. You are only dissapointed because he will never write Stratovarius songs anymore, and this means your favourite band won't be that real. You are angry because a lot of shit happened, and the members of your favourite band weren't that good friends you thought. Why must you transfer this anger to musicians who have enough problem with each other?

2 - You could be happy because TK, JJ, JM and LP are still together. It's imaginable that there will be two power metal bands that plays your style of music.

3 - Why have you prejudice against RR? Timo is a great musician and he knows why his bandmates are choosen. They are not only choosen musicians this is a carefully selected TEAM! (according to Timo)

3 - I think TT wants to settle this whole thing. That's why he has given all the rights to the others. (Did you grasp it contains the rights of Fright Night, Twilight Time and Dreamspace songs???)

4 - If you know something about TT's life you will understand why is this "tohellwithtolkki" athmosphere extremly barbarian. We all can thank him a lot.

5 - It's sad that TT was suspected of using Jens's keyboard playing on the RR record. Copying the keyboard parts from Guitar Pro and change the sound would be easyer

I hope this whole thing will settle down soon and everybody will go on his way without crossing each others. I wish good luck for Stratovarius and Revolution Renaissance.

See you on the gigs. (I hope in the audience won't be anyone who is a kind of person who wants to destroy the show - shocking but it occured to me in the last days)

Sorry because of my bad english.

All the best

Dénes

[RazielSR]

I'm completely agree with you, my friend.

[Beast_Pete]

Dénes, I will be there with you when they come to Budapest.

I guess the reason why fans are so angry, is because Stratovarius songs were about much different moral levels than what we can see now from them. I was also disappointed to see what we can all see now, but if we are disappointed, why should we act differently as well? If we liked their music and the lyrics, and we agreed with the value of peace, why be so agressive? It is their business, they should deal with it and I hope they can find a solution soon, even if it's not the best one, still something better than what is happening now.

[Elements]

I'm sorry, it was whose band?

[Hellovarius the Simp]

I'm sorry, it was whose band?

"Tolkki became the driving force and mastermind of the band, assuming relatively complete control of the songwriting. He brought along not only strong rock influences, but also a neo-classical style." - wikipedia

Everybody knows that it was TT's band, you are only teasing again.

I think you didn't get at the heart of the metter in my words - it's sad

[MikeWacho]

:funlo:

no fun with that post...(@elements)

everybody knows that TT wrote 95% of the actual back catalog (and RR)

so unless this is another lassila joke, it just makes no sense...

[Keyssion]

:funlo:

no fun with that post...(@elements)

everybody knows that TT wrote 95% of the actual back catalog (and RR)

so unless this is another lassila joke, it just makes no sense...

Agreed. Definitely was Tolkki's band.

[scorp]

Well, typically he wasn't the one who started the band, that's a fact. However in the procedure he became the leader of the band. But the point is that Stratovarius (as the majority of the fans consider them) was TK (the singer/frontman always goes first even if he's not the main composer), TT, JK, JM and JJ.

I guess the reason why fans are so angry, is because Stratovarius songs were about much different moral levels than what we can see now from them. I was also disappointed to see what we can all see now, but if we are disappointed, why should we act differently as well? If we liked their music and the lyrics, and we agreed with the value of peace, why be so agressive? It is their business, they should deal with it and I hope they can find a solution soon, even if it's not the best one, still something better than what is happening now.

I feel the same too... I was very disappointed by seeing TT flaming TK during the first break up. And I'm even more disappointed now that TT made a hint that all that shit of that time (the fight between him TK and JM) was actually made to make people more interested in the band (there's a point in his last letter where he points out that everyone had agreed to do anything required to make the band's name more known and he added twice that this included TK and JM as well as he cannot say more about this matter). Anyway. I'm not so sure after that, Stratovarius won't be back with TT. I don't know what can be true and what fake of what is said...

However, if everything said is true it seems to me that both sides are correct from their points of view. I mean I've been in the same place with TT when I wanted to leave something behind and in this case you just do it. You don't care of what will happen (well that's not so nice to say but it's true). You just want to move on and forget the shit that happened in the past. Even if you will have to give all the rights of what you have done to others. Okay, you can inform the others in a nicer way, face to face or at least discuss about it but I'm not sure if that could be done in this case and after all it's a matter of anyone's personality. And I cannot say if his motive to leave everything behind was money or if the money came after the decision to leave as a result to what was created after the break up. It's similar to breaking up with your girlfriend and then finding another one. It doesn't always mean that you left the first to be with the second one. You may as well have found the second one after the break up. You may have known the second one while you where with the first one but still it doesn't mean that you necessarily left the first because you wanted the second. Okay it's not the best way to set an example but that's what came to my mind right now

But I can understand TK, JM and JJ as well. Being suddenly left to pay a huge amount of money shouldn't be the best thing And I understand the suspicion towards TT since he managed to find something immediately after the break up. And of course they want to continue under the same name since TT was the only one who didn't want to continue (in contrast to the previous break up when TT wanted to fire TK and JM - if all these were for real after all). The previous time it was like "I'm the boss and I can do whatever I do, fire whomever I want" which was right legaly but not morally imo. In this case however, it's more like "I want to leave everything behind, so I'm leaving the band" which imo doesn't mean that the others have to quit just because of one person's decision. Unless there would still be that great friendship, which unfortunatelly there's not.

After all I don't think they can play in the same band anymore (if everything's real, I repeat) but maybe stop accusing each other of being greedy, evil and fraud would help the situation. Maybe each side will focus to its future, try to solve the problems and everything will be calmer?

I apologize for the long post