Clash of the Choirs

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Re: Clash of the Choirs

Post by merweren » Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:01 pm

fernandotcl wrote:Why is it a good thing? Well, perhaps it can get other people interested in Stratovarius or Kotipelto's solo works. And, of course, it's entertainment for us as well. ;)

Now why wouldn't it be a good thing? :?

:beer: :beer: :beer:

Sorry, i have neither time to sleep, so my answer is a little bit late.

Why isn't good? Beaucose this kind of shows don't tell about anithing, just money. These kind of shows makes idiots from the people who is in.(I know some people who was in tv... they are totally different in the real life.)

Brainwashing, no contains, globalisation, no heart, no spirit the words what came to my mind.

I think (maybe i am not right, but i will more clever if i getting older, and now i see this like) so i think in this show the real values lost, the essence of the arts lost, and what is rest just shining dust. I could write some very good idiom for it in my mother language, but my english is terrible:(

I hope Timo could show that values what i like in him and in the Stratovarius in this show, but i am afraid he can't.

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Re: Clash of the Choirs

Post by Lurdi » Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:28 pm

merweren wrote:
fernandotcl wrote:Why is it a good thing? Well, perhaps it can get other people interested in Stratovarius or Kotipelto's solo works. And, of course, it's entertainment for us as well. ;)

Now why wouldn't it be a good thing? :?

:beer: :beer: :beer:

Sorry, i have neither time to sleep, so my answer is a little bit late.

Why isn't good? Beaucose this kind of shows don't tell about anithing, just money. These kind of shows makes idiots from the people who is in.(I know some people who was in tv... they are totally different in the real life.)

Brainwashing, no contains, globalisation, no heart, no spirit the words what came to my mind.

I think (maybe i am not right, but i will more clever if i getting older, and now i see this like) so i think in this show the real values lost, the essence of the arts lost, and what is rest just shining dust. I could write some very good idiom for it in my mother language, but my english is terrible:(

I hope Timo could show that values what i like in him and in the Stratovarius in this show, but i am afraid he can't.
Well, just think this is a new experience for him. What's wrong with that? It's just a program! He's not selling his private life in gossip magazines. Furthermore, who are we to judge him or somebody?
We have not seen anything yet about this program, and everybody is free to do what he/she wants to. Just because he is a metal singer doesn't mean he cannot do other different things just for pleasure. We don't know his reasons and I am not personally interested in them, but money is not always behind a reason.
And you are talking about values, what values? Is it a morality program? Does it make him a murderer? He's there to SING. He's not an actor,he lives from singing.
I would be very angry if because any program he pushed Stratovarius into the background, gigs, recordings etc, but since he is a professional and is completely committed to Stratovarius, that is not going to happen.
Although I don't share your point of view, I understand you perfectly. But just wait and watch. :wink:

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Re: Clash of the Choirs

Post by fernandotcl » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:03 pm

I understand, and partially agree. Those shows are part of the popular culture, indeed. I simply think nobody loses anything if Kotipelto is part of the show, but on the other hand, perhaps this could gather some attention towards Kotipelto and power metal. Let's not be fanatic, don't take things too seriously, we are not on a war against other cultures and music genres last time I checked. :lol:

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Re: Clash of the Choirs

Post by merweren » Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:30 pm

I don’t want to play judge, i just shered with you my point of view. I don’t want to hurt Timo or one of you or Stratovarius, or Gods, or anybody else. I can’t imagine why wants to play a Timo Kotipelto in a „this kind of show”.

But now i think i misjudge „these kind of shows”. I only know the hungarian shows. The essence of this to make interesting news about the members. (I don’t know the word, but i think to write something what not sure that right, but interesting, usually something bad about the private life. I think this is disgusting, sad and maddening. It makes my stomach turn. (((Really just hungarians are in this step of evolution??? So sad, i hope i can go away from my dear homecountry…))) So don’t angry me if i think automatically that one nation like another nation.)

I don’t know this Kourosota, and maybe Finnish shows not as bad as hungarian ones.
But i condemn the l’art pour l’art. Simply beaucose i think if i do something that must have reason. I can’t enjoy something what have no reason, what is be just beaucose itself. Ok, now i understand what Timo do not l’art pour l’art, but i don’t know about this Kourosota too.
So my question is open, why good this kind of show?

Values.
Every day i see how lost real values forever. Ancient gravstones destoryed, beautiful ancient woods disapper beaucose new roads and shopping centers, we don’t get our fathers knowledge, lose folksongs and dances, memories, human connections, emotions (well, these times the emotions, and normal familar connections are not fasionable). People more and more silly and blind, slowly people will be immune the cathastrophes… The globalisation is the biggest killer of values.
So the music of Stratovaius adds thoughts, rise emotions and give me inspirations. I am almost as old as the band, the bigger part of my life they music were with me (and some other band’s music and the greatest hungarian poets:) too). I get a lots of things from them. For example when my parents were divorcing the music, my fantashia and drawing was the only three thing with me. That some years i lost almost everithing, mother, friends, home…
I have no depression, but i am sure, i see the world a little bit dark and too seriously.



I hope you understand what i think. I don’t want to hurt anybody, i am so sorry if i do.
So, i am wainting for what will be from Kourosota.

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Re: Clash of the Choirs

Post by icecab21 » Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:55 pm

In America, I think we have a mix of shows; there are many that are about inspiration and showing people in a great light. Many of the stories about the people are wonderful and the judges incur age people to perform art and be professional. In many shows contestants will get slammed for the judges if the judges think they are not in it for general good. Shows like "America’s got talent" have a mix of good and bad. They have some contestants that are there for sick entertainment and others that are genuine and can help inspire and spread culture. The audition part of the shows can be the worst since they don't look for the most talented. One show that I really enjoy is "so you think you can dance". That show really is more about art and culture and creating good stories than about creating drama and tabloids. With shows like that the judges look for people that can really tell a story and express their emotions through their dance.

It’s sad to see the parts of shows that are more about cruel entertainment and destructive criticism than helping people. I would definitely feel really bad about shows if they all were pointed in a negative direction. From what I have seen of this show from the Swedish version, it will be a show that has values. I’m sure tk looked into the show and that it won’t be a bait and switch. I have no problems with the mix of art and commercial value as long as the commercial part is done is a genuine way.

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Re: Clash of the Choirs

Post by Beast_Pete » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:26 am

I'm pretty sure that the Finnish values in media is much different than that of Hungarians. BTW, I live quite close to you merweren if you live in Budakeszi. :P

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Re: Clash of the Choirs

Post by Kyra » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:33 pm

Merweren, we see what the Hungarians prepare. (Az kell a népnek. :D ) This will be other because the Finns prepare it. We hope for it, will be high-standard. :)

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Re: Clash of the Choirs

Post by RuruPillow » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:29 pm

cliff wrote:a TV preview of the show....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTsLz_IYXYE&fmt=18

Good luck Timo team !

(check out the last singer - If I am not mistaken, this is Irina. No offense, but I think she has good chance to win the contest...)
I support Koti team!! :beer:

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