IF Stratovarius changes it's name, HOW DO YOU CALL IT

[AGAG]

I find it very interesting to hear you sing an a metal album again!
Is there any song written for this already?
It´s gonna be a 20 years anniversary album! Fright night was released 1989!
No, I am writing songs for the RR album full steam. The last Stratovarius album will be composed together with Tuomo and Antti sometime next year when we all have the time. For me and Tuomo it will be 25 years anniversary since I joined 1984! It's a good way to stop. How it was started and not use the name for something it is not morally appropriate for.
morally appropriate???
Why?
unsure:
Because just like Stratovarius cannot exist without Kotipelto and Jörg Michael, it cannot exist without me as Stratovarius. Therefore the only right thing morally is to come up with a new name. In a smaller scale it would be like if in Kotipelto the band, Kotipelto would leave and suddenly the other guys would continue with a new singer still calling it Kotipelto. But this thing I have left far behind. As you can see I am busy with my new band. You can debate it forever, but I really find it weird if somebody thinks it's okay to use the name Stratovarius without me.

TT, if you have "left it all far behind" why are you still harping on it? I and LOTS of other people think its OK if the Stratovarius name is used by the remaining members, but at this point its up to them to decide what they want to do. Legally, its been determined that its fine. Case closed.
Now, bring on the music! :music:

No, he's still a "sacred cow" he can do whatever the fuck he wants, sadly.

ON topic: Stradicaster... no? then I'll just be quiet...

[scorp]

I think Strandicaster sounds great That's if they want to have something to remind of Strato...
What about Sanctuary? I don't mean the label, I mean it could be a name for the band

[browneyedgirl]

Maybe it CAN stay Stratovarius after all!!!

[scorp]

Maybe it CAN stay Stratovarius after all!!!

Of course it can, but in case it won't...

[dupinguez]

Castratovarius

Hey, that one was actually very good!

How about Kabbalovarius?
Miss Kavarius?
FuckKotiAndMichaelovarius?

Best thread ever!

[icecab21]

in one of these thread there are people whining that tolkki is insane. him being insane would void that contract so people can't talk of both.

[RazielSR]

Hey, that one was actually very good!

Miss Kavarius?

hahahahaha

[icecab21]

the popkillers
the pophercherryrus

[browneyedgirl]

in one of these thread there are people whining that tolkki is insane. him being insane would void that contract so people can't talk of both.

BiPolar Disorder is not insanity. Its a mental disease but its not insanity. Especially when people take their medication, they are in complete control of their senses. Tolkki has said himself he is fine, he knows what he is doing, and he is taking his medication. Ergo, he knew what he was doing when he signed the waiver. Tolkki has formed a seemingly successful band&has had several seemingly sucessful projects--an insane man could not have accomplished all that. So, nice try icecab21, your devotion is wonderful, but it does not change the facts. Man, you are one of those people who would defend Tolkki to the death, no matter what. Sheeeesh.


Stratovarius is just fine.

@Wait a minute. I just thought of something!
What if, on the Mainpage Jens had a Poll&fans could vote:
A. to keep Stratovarius name B. to change it

Have a time limit, say 2 months or so. And whatever choice had the highest number, it would be.
And, the losers would not be allowed to gripe about the result!

[R.F.]

btw, some days ago TT posted his showbiz rules on RR forum.

1 Follow your heart

2 Dont let anybody to tell you what kind of music to write

3 The more popular you get, the more crap you will face

4 Do NOT listen to those who complain about your music

5 Dont listen to the critics, they dont mean anything

6 Write your music to yourself, play it to your fans

7 Practice your instrument and then forget what you have learned

8 Dont EVER give up. Sooner or later, you will get success. It might take
10 years but if you stick to it, play anywhere, practice and above all
FOLLOW YOUR HEART, nothing can stop you.

Guess it gives an explanation to many things =) But what about using these rules against Tolkki? What about ignoring his complaints about morality and leave the Stratovarius name be? As for me, Stratovarius will remain Stratovarius only if it overcomes this curse of it`s creator.

[eagledreamr]

Survivorius
Spamovarius
Soapoperius

[phoenix666]

Survivorius
Spamovarius
Soapoperius

so damn funny!!!soapoperius!!!

[icecab21]

BiPolar Disorder is not insanity. Its a mental disease but its not insanity. Especially when people take their medication, they are in complete control of their senses. Tolkki has said himself he is fine, he knows what he is doing, and he is taking his medication. Ergo, he knew what he was doing when he signed the waiver. Tolkki has formed a seemingly successful band&has had several seemingly sucessful projects--an insane man could not have accomplished all that. So, nice try icecab21, your devotion is wonderful, but it does not change the facts. Man, you are one of those people who would defend Tolkki to the death, no matter what. Sheeeesh.

No that’s not what I said. I said people were calling him insane. If he was insane that would void the contract. He is not insane. The contract stands unless a new deal has been made. But a person could not call him insane and reasonably say that the contract stands. For me the illogical part was to give the name to the guys when otherwise they would have had no right to use the name, and then to stay concerned about it if even for a second.

[browneyedgirl]

Seriously, why not have the fans decide--sort of?
The fans buy the albums, go to the shows, and buy the merchandise. Why shouldn't the fans be allowed to have a litle imput? Like I mentioned: have a poll on the mainpage with 2 options--keep Stratovarius name, or change it.
And, the fans vote on it. (Wasn't that done with The Chosen Ones album?) Even if the poll is not taken seriously, or used by the band, it would give them an idea how the fans feel about things.

Somehow fix it so an IP would have only one vote, and yes, there maybe some group horde voting(a bunch of people voting for one option as a group), but all things considered, IMO, this could be fair.
Give it a time limit&keep to it, and whoever loses, don't gripe about it!

[RazielSR]

Yes, that could be a very good way to choose.

[scorp]

Well, in order to have this happen I guess we should have listened to some samples from the "new band" to know whether the style is going to be similar or different compared with the old Strato. Personally I wouldn't like them to continue under the name Stratovarius if their style is going to be like that boogie-style... And I think it's difficult to find a guitar player who composes as TT did, having the skill to play but not overdoing it with solos and so on... Ah, I'm at job at the moment and can't type much in order... But I guess my point is taken.

[browneyedgirl]

Boogie-style? WTF? Like jazz elements in the music?
Are you serious, scorp?

Andrew Bordoni is a great "shredder" style guitar player whose style would probably fit the music of Stratovarius, but he has a family now&leans toward Christian values-- so, as good as he is musicly speaking, I don't think "socially" he'd fit perfectly in.
Wrong topic.
Its been a long day. :tired:

[icecab21]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=G3TPZwIQLsY

stick figure dancing to Gorgoroth

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_jLGa4X5H2c

Boogie wonderland - Earth Wind and Fire

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fPjS6DSeDo8

Marcia Griffiths - Electric Boogie

they should do this kind of boogie dancing

[scorp]

Boogie-style? WTF? Like jazz elements in the music?
Are you serious, scorp?

I mean that if they're going to change their style (cause this guitarist that is supposed to be the one to replace TT doesn't have the same style with TT at all) then they shouldn't keep on having the same name.
In other words, if it's going to be something similar to the samples of this guy http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... =216610819 they I wouldn't like them to be called Stratovarius anymore. I'm not saying I won't support them cause with TK at the vocals it will be difficult not to like the band. So after all, whether the band should be named Stratovarius or not, also depends on the style of the "new band".

[icecab21]

what do you mean by does not have the same style? how do some recordings of one style mean that a guy can't, or wont play another? they just need to give gime the same guitar tones as tolkki had. the songs are going to sound different without the bands songwriter and producer. i think the whole change in songwriter, creater, and creative director is enough to warrent a new name

[Verdades Parias]

Well, my point of view is very different...

This is the oportunity to heard something different from Stratovarius...Moral, is just a consideration, an individual appreciation, global moral truth doesn't exist. For example I can say that morally is correct that this members can try to carry on with Strato. I want to gave them a chance.
11 albums with the same song over and over again (FANTASTIC SONG ) is like an old, worn, broken, dusty magic box.

A big change, for me, will bring a very fresh air to the name and the music.
And i know, that i'm not morally incorrect

[RazielSR]

Verdades, but what if they start making songs with rock style similar to Kotipelto's band or another bands? What if we don't see metal coming from TK, JJ and JM never again?... I think we all are scared about that.

At least, I'm scared. I don't want to see these excelent musicians starting to make strange styles/fusions/rockispoppish. That things always goes wrong. They are known as speed/power/melodic metal musicians. All we are here for that style.
If now is gonna change a lot, who is gonna follow them? I'm not the one.
I wanna see them stay speed/power/melodic metal.

It's like if DT for example starts making now speed metal songs and forget all about progressive...

What we can't accept (at least I'm not gonna accept it, and 80% people neither) is to see this great voice, this great keyboardist and this great drummer forgeting his musical roots and making non-metal styles.

[scorp]

Yeah, I prefer the bands that stick to their known style but then, they're the ones to decide what they'll play not we.

icecab21. One thing is to sound different and another to have a totally different style. As for how I think that this guy has a different style, it's because comparing what I've heared from his myspace page to TT's solo works (specially Classical Variations and Themes) gives me the impression of two totally different guitar players. This guy is more like the type of the guitar players who play solos just to show what they know, those who play to know what they've learned and most of the times it becomes boring to my ears (yeah, I'm definitely neither a fan of Petrucci nor Vai nor Satriani, nor Malmsteen). So you have "soloing" all the time on one hand and writing a song on the other hand.
I don't mean that this guy isn't talented or that he can't write songs that might have the Stratovarius' style but from what I've heared from these type of musicians, it's highly unlikely.
Anyway, I might be proven wrong

Verdades. I agree that TT's songwriting can be called repetitive sometimes and his lyrics are repeating the same stuff since Destiny or what (since he wrote the lyrics of the whole album with a few exceptions) but still I'd rather have this than something boogie-like .

Of course the best solution would be to have the exact style of TT but refreshed and maybe with some lyrics from other members... Even for the same message (freedom, life etc) there can be more inspired lyrics (Visions is a great example imo)

[nefertari]

I would like them to stay as Stratovarius, but if they have to use another name, it can be something like the Legacy of Stratovarius, etc....

[RazielSR]

Yeah, I prefer the bands that stick to their known style but then, they're the ones to decide what they'll play not we.

Ok, but WE are the ones to decide if we are gonna continue listening to them or not. The fans means everything and if you don't have that into consideration, you are death.

[browneyedgirl]

I would like them to stay as Stratovarius, but if they have to use another name, it can be something like the Legacy of Stratovarius, etc....

I agree 100%!
TTs attitude toward the use of Stratovarius name can be compared to a divorce: In a settlement, a guy gives freely/signs over to his ex-wife his beloved $500,000 antique sports car, but then tells her its not morally right for her to drive it-- it would not be right because it once belonged to him.

This whole name thing is becoming way too complicated than it should be, and too big a deal is being made of it(thanks, TT), Lets hope this issue can be resolved painlessly&quickly so the remaining STRATOVARIUS guys can get on with the business of creating music.

[MetalAngel]

Hmmm...

As simple as it is: StratoJenssius

Why not : JensChristoVarius?

[scorp]

Ok, but WE are the ones to decide if we are gonna continue listening to them or not. The fans means everything and if you don't have that into consideration, you are death.

Sure, fans will decide what to listen to and to what they won't. I disagree though about "respecting the fans" meaning that you'll have to play what their ears will like. Of course some times it can prove a disaster for the band (not following their fans' wishes) but imo not doing what you really like is also gonna be a disaster.

As regards with the name... It's different than firing another member cause TT left by his own will... But it's a bit more complicated I think. I mean TT left so it would be good to say that they can do whatever they want with the name of the band (as he did in the beginning). And the others even if they can do whatever they want "should" respect that TT was the main songwriter of the band and also the fact that he decided not to fire anyone from Strato, and after all change the name... But that would happen to an ideal world and in the case they would have split as friends, which apparently isn't this case... Hope this will come to an end soon...

[juanjofhb]

What can I say. I've been Strato fan since Visions, and now, since Infinite album, I can only state that the music they've been playing since, radically changed and did not felt in the same way of the music we all fell inlove with. This also happened with some other bands I was a fan too (Nightwish for example), and now, I can't say I like their music anymore. Anyway, life goes on and records still endure time.

What is really sad is their ending as a band. We would all wanted to be another way, there's Infinite ways to end someone with, and this has been the worst (what are odds, huh?).

Let's hope the other guys could find their way through music and enjoy what they do. The same also for Timo, who has been and still is, one of the best musicians ever.

[Verdades Parias]

I'm not afraid of what they can do...I will gave them a chance to demostrate that Stratovarius is not a "Malmsteen's Rising force".
What I'm afraid is that Tolkki continues making too much mel songs.
TT said somewhere that if Strato continue without him, it will be like....Coldness - The last viking stick togheter, with Stratovarius name. WRONG

Stratovarius never was "Hymn to life - Saana", so...
Moreover, Jens songs in Strato are really good (Run like the wind :headbang:). Lauri is an amazing musician, and Koti as a composer i really never like his songs, but his voice is gold.

So, my point of view is that they can do an exelent interpretation of what Stratovarius was. I'm not expecting another Black Diamond. Tolkki is gone, a copy of his songs will be like shit. A very good new start, a new era for Stratovarius, for me, is good...
About the boogie guitarist, if that was a boogie, Forever free is the new single of ELVIS PRESLEY
Anyway, the bands (RR - ?) are amazing