Just Kotipelto !!

[Polaris]

Bruce is always a influence to everyone who sings

This is true

& Dio too

[Intiaani]

Oh Dio also, yes. He admires him. The song Ronnie James Biojäteastia is a good example of this.

Anyway, whenever asked about Dio, he answers he admires the old man's voice still being as good as ever. I have to say I admire too. Dio is one of my most favorite singers anyway.

[Ragehead91]

This guy is nearly 70 years old and still sings like he is 30. Do that Ozzy Osbourne! You look and sing like a freaking zombie nowadays! Of course his voice sounds a bit deeper and more raw nowadays, but that actually makes it special.

[hiro23]

I like a wide range of singers, it doesn't matter if they are high or low, just as long as they sing well.

I know there are many who disagree with me but I could never get into grunting or screeching vocals, to me that kind of thing ruins a good song.

[icecab21]

I think it would be silly if someone disagreed with you that you could never get into grunting or screeching vocals. I think grunting has its better places than in music, such as the tennis court.

[hiro23]

It's good to know there are those who share my opinion, I just say that cause I do have several friends who seem to think that grunting and screeching equals good music

[icecab21]

Screeching does have its place, such as the song "cat scratch blackboard". Growls and screaming are better than grunts and screeching for me.

[rikkertje]

I just watched some videos of Father Time played live in 2009 and I have to come to the conclusion that TK's high voice sounds terrible these days. His high notes just don't have the power of a few years ago anymore. He's a very good singer and I only have respect for him. But he should leave the really high songs out of the set in the future. That would really improve the quality of their shows.

[sheryl1]

I just watched some videos of Father Time played live in 2009 and I have to come to the conclusion that TK's high voice sounds terrible these days. His high notes just don't have the power of a few years ago anymore. He's a very good singer and I only have respect for him. But he should leave the really high songs out of the set in the future. That would really improve the quality of their shows.

Don´t agree. Saw them few times live this year and high notes - also in Father time - were all right Sure he has good and bad days (grr, like Wacken 07), but I wouldn´t generalize that he cannot reach them at all...

[icecab21]

I don't get the "i saw a couple of shows, he was bad, therefore he is bad ad ALL shows" logic that some people like to use. That is too small a sample size.

[Intiaani]

I don't get the "i saw a couple of shows, he was bad, therefore he is bad ad ALL shows" logic that some people like to use. That is too small a sample size.

Plus you might have seen them in a very small period of time. If a singer has, like, a flue, he might be bad that day, and might not exactly shine the next day either.

[hiro23]

TK always keeps his voice in shape, to me he's like Ronnie James Dio, his voice changes a bit but it doesn't go bad.

[phoenix666]

damn! why are these vids so damn slow?!

[GuiHunter]

Folks, I have to say that to me, Kotipelto made an amazing work on Elements Pt1 with some difficult songs to sing like Find Your Own Voice and Learning to Fly and so on... On Polaris, Winter Skies he get the high notes even when it is playing live... So, TK is singing very well nowadays and I have to disagree with who don't think that.......

[Intiaani]

Folks, I have to say that to me, Kotipelto made an amazing work on Elements Pt1 with some difficult songs to sing like Find Your Own Voice and Learning to Fly and so on... On Polaris, Winter Skies he get the high notes even when it is playing live... So, TK is singing very well nowadays and I have to disagree with who don't think that.......

Also Forever Is Today is extra good with clean vocals in my opinion. We also get a glimpse of that s/t album darker interpretation in King of Nothing. Actually the album has many singing styles in it. Love the narration-like on Emancipation Suites too.

I just came to think of it, but isn't Destiny about as demanding as Elements, Pt. 1? Somehow the singing goes to your ear like a rocket on Elements, and it doesn't show that much on Destiny at first. That album is high and demanding as hell anyway, if you pay a close attention to it.

[rikkertje]

I just watched some videos of Father Time played live in 2009 and I have to come to the conclusion that TK's high voice sounds terrible these days. His high notes just don't have the power of a few years ago anymore. He's a very good singer and I only have respect for him. But he should leave the really high songs out of the set in the future. That would really improve the quality of their shows.

Don´t agree. Saw them few times live this year and high notes - also in Father time - were all right Sure he has good and bad days (grr, like Wacken 07), but I wouldn´t generalize that he cannot reach them at all...

I didn't say he doesn't reach the high notes. Sure he does, but to me those high notes lack power and emotion. The used to sound powerfull but the last few years (since 2007) they just sound weak to me.

I'm sure that's because he gets older. You can't do anything about that. But they could play the high songs a half step lower.

[mayhem-for-all]

Folks, I have to say that to me, Kotipelto made an amazing work on Elements Pt1 with some difficult songs to sing like Find Your Own Voice and Learning to Fly and so on... On Polaris, Winter Skies he get the high notes even when it is playing live... So, TK is singing very well nowadays and I have to disagree with who don't think that.......

Also Forever Is Today is extra good with clean vocals in my opinion. We also get a glimpse of that s/t album darker interpretation in King of Nothing. Actually the album has many singing styles in it. Love the narration-like on Emancipation Suites too.

I just came to think of it, but isn't Destiny about as demanding as Elements, Pt. 1? Somehow the singing goes to your ear like a rocket on Elements, and it doesn't show that much on Destiny at first. That album is high and demanding as hell anyway, if you pay a close attention to it.

Yeah he pulls them off on Destiny really well and there are some really demanding parts on Anthem of the World for example.

yet he did a bit more extreme and less controlled stuff on Elements.

[nefertari]

His vocals are still great as live , like in here
( Sao Paulo, 20.10. 2009 )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0lTM8ehVtM

[rikkertje]

His vocals are still great as live , like in here
( Sao Paulo, 20.10. 2009 )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0lTM8ehVtM

His vocals are great... except for the high notes.

For example in the video you posted. In the chorus: 'I will waste no more time, let me tell you my friends, all dreams come to an end. Forever is today'.
You can't deny that the parts that I made fat sound really bad. More like a chicken than a man singing...

His lower voice has a lot of power and sounds really good. But those high notes are just plain rediculous for me.

[nefertari]

His vocals are still great as live , like in here
( Sao Paulo, 20.10. 2009 )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0lTM8ehVtM

His vocals are great... except for the high notes.

For example in the video you posted. In the chorus: 'I will waste no more time, let me tell you my friends, all dreams come to an end. Forever is today'.
You can't deny that the parts that I made fat sound really bad. More like a chicken than a man singing...

His lower voice has a lot of power and sounds really good. But those high notes are just plain rediculous for me.

heh..."like a chicken"... those vocals were not that bad

[rikkertje]

His vocals are still great as live , like in here
( Sao Paulo, 20.10. 2009 )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0lTM8ehVtM

His vocals are great... except for the high notes.

For example in the video you posted. In the chorus: 'I will waste no more time, let me tell you my friends, all dreams come to an end. Forever is today'.
You can't deny that the parts that I made fat sound really bad. More like a chicken than a man singing...

His lower voice has a lot of power and sounds really good. But those high notes are just plain rediculous for me.

heh..."like a chicken"... those vocals were not that bad

Hah! Like a chiken was meant as a extreme example. But yes, those vocals ARE bad. It's off-key and there's nothing in it. No power, no emotion. Nothing... just a few high shrieks...

[Drvanger]

His vocals are still great as live , like in here
( Sao Paulo, 20.10. 2009 )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0lTM8ehVtM

His vocals are great... except for the high notes.

For example in the video you posted. In the chorus: 'I will waste no more time, let me tell you my friends, all dreams come to an end. Forever is today'.
You can't deny that the parts that I made fat sound really bad. More like a chicken than a man singing...

His lower voice has a lot of power and sounds really good. But those high notes are just plain rediculous for me.

heh..."like a chicken"... those vocals were not that bad

Hah! Like a chiken was meant as a extreme example. But yes, those vocals ARE bad. It's off-key and there's nothing in it. No power, no emotion. Nothing... just a few high shrieks...

And what about this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N43N-2W8ms

I think his high notes in the chorus are really good.

[rikkertje]

His vocals are still great as live , like in here
( Sao Paulo, 20.10. 2009 )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0lTM8ehVtM

His vocals are great... except for the high notes.

For example in the video you posted. In the chorus: 'I will waste no more time, let me tell you my friends, all dreams come to an end. Forever is today'.
You can't deny that the parts that I made fat sound really bad. More like a chicken than a man singing...

His lower voice has a lot of power and sounds really good. But those high notes are just plain rediculous for me.

heh..."like a chicken"... those vocals were not that bad

Hah! Like a chiken was meant as a extreme example. But yes, those vocals ARE bad. It's off-key and there's nothing in it. No power, no emotion. Nothing... just a few high shrieks...

And what about this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N43N-2W8ms

I think his high notes in the chorus are really good.

It's indeed better than Forever is Today. But for me it's not REALLY good. Also this song lacks the power it had some years ago.

But I respect everyone's opinions!

I also think it has to do with the fact that Jorg plays most of the songs faster than they originally are. That makes it a lot harder to sing of course.

[Morgana]

But first: the alien voice, the singing from somewhere else: the master: Roy Khan.

+1. He is the best.

[sheryl1]

Hah! Like a chiken was meant as a extreme example. But yes, those vocals ARE bad. It's off-key and there's nothing in it. No power, no emotion. Nothing... just a few high shrieks...

I feel sorry for what I say now (as I was defending TK few posts upper)... Objectively, that video - Forever is today - which was sent here as an illustration of high notes properly sang, ehm, proved that there´s something true on what rikkertje says...Though I don´t agree with everything you say, but those "shrieks" are really annoying...I used to compare that strange notes to barking of my pissed puppy... I mean, just watch choruses in father time at wacken 2007 if you didn´t get my meaning What I don´t really get is how come that one day he sings great and right the other day, he does this "shrieks" singing...Happened to me twice - went for two sequent shows and thought I had heard a different voice day before ...I just hope soooo much he won´t sing the songs this "not-my-favourite" way in january when Strato´s come here to play...

[rikkertje]

Hah! Like a chiken was meant as a extreme example. But yes, those vocals ARE bad. It's off-key and there's nothing in it. No power, no emotion. Nothing... just a few high shrieks...

I feel sorry for what I say now (as I was defending TK few posts upper)... Objectively, that video - Forever is today - which was sent here as an illustration of high notes properly sang, ehm, proved that there´s something true on what rikkertje says...Though I don´t agree with everything you say, but those "shrieks" are really annoying...I used to compare that strange notes to barking of my pissed puppy... I mean, just watch choruses in father time at wacken 2007 if you didn´t get my meaning What I don´t really get is how come that one day he sings great and right the other day, he does this "shrieks" singing...Happened to me twice - went for two sequent shows and thought I had heard a different voice day before ...I just hope soooo much he won´t sing the songs this "not-my-favourite" way in january when Strato´s come here to play...

Exactly!
It is indeed comparable to a litlle barking puppy.

But then there are people saying: 'Well, every singer has bad days...'.
That's true ofcourse. But if those shrieks of TK are caused by a bad day, then TK has a lot of bad days because he does it almost all the time. And that's what I want to know. How is it possible that he sings the highest notes with full power on every album, but then live his high voice is nothing. I wish TK would answer this question personally on the forum.

And again, this is NOT an attack to TK. I deeply respect him and he has one of the most beautiful voices in this scene. Except the high parts.

[icecab21]

It’s obvious that he makes a personal point to make his voice sound like nothing, a chicken, or a barking puppy at any change he gets.

How do you know he does it so often when there are only videos for a small percentage of shows?

[sheryl1]

It’s obvious that he makes a personal point to make his voice sound like nothing, a chicken, or a barking puppy at any change he gets.

How do you know he does it so often when there are only videos for a small percentage of shows?

Don´t know if this reffers to what I wrote or not...Anyway, my opinion is based on my personal feeling from what I saw live, not videos... Actually I was thinking of this a lot and the only explanation I came to is that probably TK cannot give 10000% performance every day - logical, he would be "out of voice" in few shows - and thus it may seem better from his point of view at least to try reaching those high notes (by shrieks) than to transpose the songs lower. Or maybe not Who knows...

[RazielSR]

I was here some days ago saying that rikkertje was not right about what he was saying regarding Tk's vocals nowadays.

I thought it was because it was the first shows and he was ill, etc, etc. But now I'm seeing that something wrong is happening with his voice.
I don't know what and why. He is just 40 and a lot of singers keep his voice really well even at 50. But Kotipelto is suffering terrible high notes problems. And he was the main influence in hight notes if we talk about power metal. It's sad. I just hope to see him improving his voice again.
Then you have Polaris. In Polaris he doesn't use a lot of high notes, but you can hear very high notes on some songs and it's really ok. In GTF he singns the way he used to sing. I like a lot the way he sings there, anyway I don't like the album.

If you see Strato videos from 2006, he was singing really well as always. And now 3 years later he is not singing like that. I'd like to know what's happening.

[rikkertje]

I was here some days ago saying that rikkertje was not right about what he was saying regarding Tk's vocals nowadays.

I thought it was because it was the first shows and he was ill, etc, etc. But now I'm seeing that something wrong is happening with his voice.
I don't know what and why. He is just 40 and a lot of singers keep his voice really well even at 50. But Kotipelto is suffering terrible high notes problems. And he was the main influence in hight notes if we talk about power metal. It's sad. I just hope to see him improving his voice again.
Then you have Polaris. In Polaris he doesn't use a lot of high notes, but you can hear very high notes on some songs and it's really ok. In GTF he singns the way he used to sing. I like a lot the way he sings there, anyway I don't like the album.

If you see Strato videos from 2006, he was singing really well as always. And now 3 years later he is not singing like that. I'd like to know what's happening.

I have nothing to add. You say exactly what I mean.