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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Hubble86 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:02 am

:( I don't think anyone of you metalfreaks is interested in what I, as a jazzman, think about Dreamchild, so I will not bother to tell you. But I can say so much. Coltrane will NOT let it into heaven the day it dies... :twisted:

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by AAAAAAAAAA » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:10 am

Any particular Jazz albums you would recommend? A friend of mine suggested "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis and although I enjoyed it, I almost fell asleep. Am I missing the point of Jazz? I really want something a little more "upbeat". Maybe a power metal jazz. :roll:

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by AGAG » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:19 am

AAAAAAAAAA wrote:Any particular Jazz albums you would recommend? A friend of mine suggested "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis and although I enjoyed it, I almost fell asleep. Am I missing the point of Jazz? I really want something a little more "upbeat". Maybe a power metal jazz. :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvFJp1WTVFU
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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Hubble86 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:23 am

Jaja AGAG. That it´is IT!

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by AGAG » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:26 am

You just can FEEL how your soul is getting a piercing in it's core
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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Rebel » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:27 am

AAAAAAAAAA wrote:Any particular Jazz albums you would recommend? A friend of mine suggested "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis and although I enjoyed it, I almost fell asleep. Am I missing the point of Jazz? I really want something a little more "upbeat". Maybe a power metal jazz. :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhxlUKbOBAI
Progressive Jazz/Fusion

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Hubble86 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:31 am

:) Jaja! Anything of Thanatopsis...

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by AGAG » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:34 am

Rebel wrote:
AAAAAAAAAA wrote:Any particular Jazz albums you would recommend? A friend of mine suggested "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis and although I enjoyed it, I almost fell asleep. Am I missing the point of Jazz? I really want something a little more "upbeat". Maybe a power metal jazz. :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhxlUKbOBAI
Progressive Jazz/Fusion
That's some seriously cool shit, I'll get the album. Is it jazz though?
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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Hubble86 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:43 am

AAAAAAAAAA wrote:Any particular Jazz albums you would recommend? A friend of mine suggested "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis and although I enjoyed it, I almost fell asleep. Am I missing the point of Jazz? I really want something a little more "upbeat". Maybe a power metal jazz. :roll:
You can use Brotzmann as "Goodnightmusic" and Miles to wake you then...

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by AGAG » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:45 am

Hubble86 wrote:
AAAAAAAAAA wrote:Any particular Jazz albums you would recommend? A friend of mine suggested "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis and although I enjoyed it, I almost fell asleep. Am I missing the point of Jazz? I really want something a little more "upbeat". Maybe a power metal jazz. :roll:
You can use Brotzmann as "Goodnightmusic" and Miles to wake you then...
Where's the Evans in that sentence? :x
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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Rebel » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:52 am

AGAG wrote:
Rebel wrote:
AAAAAAAAAA wrote:Any particular Jazz albums you would recommend? A friend of mine suggested "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis and although I enjoyed it, I almost fell asleep. Am I missing the point of Jazz? I really want something a little more "upbeat". Maybe a power metal jazz. :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhxlUKbOBAI
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That's some seriously cool shit, I'll get the album. Is it jazz though?
Progressive Jazz Fusion, if I had to classify it.

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by rikkertje » Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:00 am

Hector Leonardo wrote:Michael Kiske has no problems to sing high live although he is older than Kotipelto. :)
Yes. That's because Kiske really has a big range. TK doesn't have that range yet he tries to sing like that. And that's a shame IMO because TK has a really cool voice, and that would show even more if he stayed in his own range instead of oversinging himself. :)

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Kosmo » Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:18 am

AGAG wrote:
AAAAAAAAAA wrote:Any particular Jazz albums you would recommend? A friend of mine suggested "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis and although I enjoyed it, I almost fell asleep. Am I missing the point of Jazz? I really want something a little more "upbeat". Maybe a power metal jazz. :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvFJp1WTVFU
I usually like music that is more ''complex'' if you would, but holy shit that was a lot to take in. :lol:

That song that Rebel posted was flipping cool. 8)

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Babylonian » Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:15 am

I think we should focus on Dreamchild, not Kotipelto's high notes or jazz.

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Kosmo » Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:05 pm

Alright let's.

Mediocore song nothing big besides the solo to comment on. :)

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by raattori » Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:13 pm

yes i think this topic was about Dreamchild

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Babylonian » Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:36 pm

Kosmo wrote:Alright let's.

Mediocore song nothing big besides the solo to comment on. :)
If you think, that Dreamchild is mediocre song, it's your opinion, but there's also people who likes it and who wants to discuss about it. Some times I wonder, why people can't accept each other's opinions.

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Kosmo » Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:51 pm

Not to start an argument but at what point did i say anything about other peoples opinions?

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Babylonian » Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:56 pm

Kosmo wrote:Not to start an argument but at what point did i say anything about other peoples opinions?

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You justified off topic discussion, because you think, that Dreamchild is mediocre. If you don't like the song, it doesn't mean, that you should justify off topic discussion. This topic has a title Dreamchild, so we should discuss about it, nothing else. That's what I meant. :)

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Kosmo » Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:02 pm

Oh well that's true.. :lol:

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Re: Dreamchild

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by empi » Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:36 pm

Hector Leonardo wrote:Michael Kiske has no problems to sing high live although he is older than Kotipelto. :)
Part of Stratovarius sound are those high melodies and I think they should stay there as well.
Ah ok and when does Kiske live shows ??? I agree it is not as it was but this version of father time is still ok for a live version.better this way and high than perfect and sung lower.It kill the song in my opinion if you transpose it down.

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by pneumonia » Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:44 pm

Solo is good, nothing special in this "Radio-Friendly" song. I agree with "mediocre" opinion

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by RazielSR » Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:26 am

empi wrote:
Hector Leonardo wrote:Michael Kiske has no problems to sing high live although he is older than Kotipelto. :)
Part of Stratovarius sound are those high melodies and I think they should stay there as well.
Ah ok and when does Kiske live shows ??? I agree it is not as it was but this version of father time is still ok for a live version.better this way and high than perfect and sung lower.It kill the song in my opinion if you transpose it down.
True. I prefer that they not play high songs like Father Time instead of play the song transposed down. Maybe he need just some time to reach again that high parts and he need to be calmed and without pressure. I prefer that they play other songs (there are a lot in Stratovarius discography).

Or at least, mix a bit more the setlist (which I think they should start changing for the next tour) and just play for example one high song. I mean, if you have in the same list: Higher we go, Father time, Paradise, Against the wind...that's too much. With just one high song it's enough. Maybe in the future he is gonna feel better again with that kind of songs.
And about the age, I think that's not the main problem. There are singers that sing a lot better at the age of TK than before.
For example, I think he sings better than before when he sings low parts or low songs. That was a "problem" in the past.
What it's clear is that his tone/timbre is wonderful as always, just that he is having problems with some ranges that he can't reach now.

About Dreamchild, am I the only one who thinks that Gus sounds strange? I mean, like if the vocals had a bad production or something. Gus was a singer that I liked while listening the first demos when RR was created, but sounds strange to me in this song. Maybe it's just me. I really want to hear the rest of the album when I'll have it just to see if I feel this, only in this song.

And yes, I also think that the song is mediocre, considering that comes from Tolkki.

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by warrencurrymetal » Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:05 am

adrian9 wrote:
rikkertje wrote:Cool to hear new stuff indeed. The only thing is that I really can't stand Gus' voice. I don't know what it is. I just really dislike his sound. The song itself is kinda cool! :)
hahaha yeah !! I dont think he is a bad singer, but dont seem to fit in for some reason....I put it this way, gus is good, Timo K is god...what a huge difference an "o" can make :lol:
that song was written for kiske's voice. awesome song though. It would fit right in with place vendome.

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Rebel » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:10 am

Kosmo wrote:
AGAG wrote:
AAAAAAAAAA wrote:Any particular Jazz albums you would recommend? A friend of mine suggested "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis and although I enjoyed it, I almost fell asleep. Am I missing the point of Jazz? I really want something a little more "upbeat". Maybe a power metal jazz. :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvFJp1WTVFU
I usually like music that is more ''complex'' if you would, but holy shit that was a lot to take in. :lol:

That song that Rebel posted was flipping cool. 8)
Anything Buckethead plays guitar on is flipping cool

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by Kosmo » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:11 am

Well that's true. :lol: But one thing has bugged me for a while..

Did Buckethead's Ghost song come before or after Strato's Lead us into the light?

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Re: Dreamchild

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Re: Dreamchild

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Re: Dreamchild

Post by AGAG » Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:08 am

I saw some shrews and I wanted to contribute..
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