Posted on November 24, 2010
By Carl Begai
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
I have to disagree. Polaris was their best shot and in fact one of their greatest jobs since the era between Episode and Inifnite. I know that listening the band with a new lead guitarrist, knowing the story TT has left behind is a bit of strange...I would be terrified if I had to step in the shoes of Tolkki. But Matias did a great work trying to catch the style and atmosphere TT gave to the music. I know more than anything now that if Polaris was a kick-ass album, Elysium will blow every single fan's mindMost fans agree that Polaris was a nice try, but not the full-on old school Stratovarius album everyone was hoping for. Elysium is, therefore, the band’s do or die effort.
"The new album isn’t totally different from Polaris, but it is different. I would say the new album is the kind of album that Polaris should have been, but of course that wasn’t possible at the time. Hopefully it doesn’t sound too different from what people expect. The material sounds like the past but it’s presented in a modern day sort of way."
Here is the answer of all our expectations about "Elysium"...Sounds thrilling, although I'd have prefered to be splitted up, but who cares now"There’s one long song on the album, which is about 18 minutes divided into three different parts. We were thinking that they should be indexed separately, but it ended up on the album as just one long song."
you mean polaris beats Elements Pt 1? no way.....Polaris is only better than elements Pt2 and the black "strato" album.Polaris was their best shot and in fact one of their greatest jobs since the era between Episode and Inifnite.
Nice decision!There’s one long song on the album, which is about 18 minutes divided into three different parts. We were thinking that they should be indexed separately, but it ended up on the album as just one long song.”
Sure it does. Soul of a Vagabond was the only really good one on Elements 1.adrian9 wrote:you mean polaris beats Elements Pt 1? no way.....Polaris is only better than elements Pt2 and the black "strato" album.Polaris was their best shot and in fact one of their greatest jobs since the era between Episode and Inifnite.
I'm not denying the Elements saga was good, and I also have to agree that Pt.1 is way better than Pt.2, and both even better than the self-titled...I just didn't feel that "thingy" I felt with Infinite, or Visions, or Destiny, or Episode. Besides (I'm sure I'll be hated by many with this comment) "Eagleheart" sounds WAY too commercial, and I honestly never felt it actually was intented to be made by Stratovarius, it just sounds too rock for the band. "Soul Of A Vagabond" is a nice song, but just that - nice. "Find Your Own Voice" and "Fantasia" were a great try, and I love both songs...But some other one from Episode or Visions can easily beat it. "Learning To Fly", alongside with "Stratofortress" were the best tracks IMO; "Papillon" may sound beautiful, but I don't like it (I prefer "A Drop In The Ocean"). And "Elemnts" could have been a great song...If they knew how to make long tracks (They should have cut it half-way, the rest is just too repetitive and "lame"adrian9 wrote:you mean polaris beats Elements Pt 1? no way.....Polaris is only better than elements Pt2 and the black "strato" album.Polaris was their best shot and in fact one of their greatest jobs since the era between Episode and Inifnite.
I'm sure Elysium will cover all our expectationsrikkertje wrote:Let's see If Elysium beats it.
Way to go Koti, way to gocrostrato wrote:“I think the media will take us more seriously again. Some of them thought we were just living off our past with Polaris, thinking we couldn’t compose anything without Tolkki. If you listen to the new album you’ll see that we don’t need him in the band anymore. We respect him as a songwriter but we’ve definitely moved on.”
please...Balu wrote:Sure it does. Soul of a Vagabond was the only really good one on Elements 1.adrian9 wrote:you mean polaris beats Elements Pt 1? no way.....Polaris is only better than elements Pt2 and the black "strato" album.Polaris was their best shot and in fact one of their greatest jobs since the era between Episode and Inifnite.
I have listened to polaris since we ranked the strato albums in another topic and I think is good too..but it doesnt have the magic , I dont even bought a copy I just borrowed one...and i will not buy that album for sure.ggonza43 wrote:I'm not denying the Elements saga was good, and I also have to agree that Pt.1 is way better than Pt.2, and both even better than the self-titled...I just didn't feel that "thingy" I felt with Infinite, or Visions, or Destiny, or Episode. Besides (I'm sure I'll be hated by many with this comment) "Eagleheart" sounds WAY too commercial, and I honestly never felt it actually was intented to be made by Stratovarius, it just sounds too rock for the band. "Soul Of A Vagabond" is a nice song, but just that - nice. "Find Your Own Voice" and "Fantasia" were a great try, and I love both songs...But some other one from Episode or Visions can easily beat it. "Learning To Fly", alongside with "Stratofortress" were the best tracks IMO; "Papillon" may sound beautiful, but I don't like it (I prefer "A Drop In The Ocean"). And "Elemnts" could have been a great song...If they knew how to make long tracks (They should have cut it half-way, the rest is just too repetitive and "lame"adrian9 wrote:you mean polaris beats Elements Pt 1? no way.....Polaris is only better than elements Pt2 and the black "strato" album.Polaris was their best shot and in fact one of their greatest jobs since the era between Episode and Inifnite.)
So yeah, I think Polaris is better than Elements Pt.1 & 2, and surely even better than the self-titled
Please what? Don't say anything when you're talking nonsense? :banana1:adrian9 wrote:please...Balu wrote:Sure it does. Soul of a Vagabond was the only really good one on Elements 1.adrian9 wrote:you mean polaris beats Elements Pt 1? no way.....Polaris is only better than elements Pt2 and the black "strato" album.Polaris was their best shot and in fact one of their greatest jobs since the era between Episode and Inifnite.
you are the one talking nonsense..so that is why I dont bother in argueBalu wrote:Please what? Don't say anything when you're talking nonsense? :banana1:adrian9 wrote:please...Balu wrote:Sure it does. Soul of a Vagabond was the only really good one on Elements 1.adrian9 wrote:you mean polaris beats Elements Pt 1? no way.....Polaris is only better than elements Pt2 and the black "strato" album.Polaris was their best shot and in fact one of their greatest jobs since the era between Episode and Inifnite.
BTW: It seems like we never agree. : D
of course you know what "pinacle" means? how can... in the name of god, "episode" be the pinacle when that was the record that set up the "classic" band line up and was the seed of a style that stratovarius will develop in the following years?¡??¡ Episode is the Foundation of what would be built afterwards, my prescription? re visit your opinion my friend.stratodan1990 wrote:For me Episode is the pinnacle of Stratovarius....Thats my opinion. I still think that Elements Pt. 1 is great and even the second one has it's moments.
Just tell me how the uninspired crap that was at least 5/9 songs of Elements 1 beats Polaris, a fresh and great album?adrian9 wrote:you are the one talking nonsense..so that is why I dont bother in argueBalu wrote:Please what? Don't say anything when you're talking nonsense? :banana1:adrian9 wrote:please...Balu wrote:Sure it does. Soul of a Vagabond was the only really good one on Elements 1.adrian9 wrote:you mean polaris beats Elements Pt 1? no way.....Polaris is only better than elements Pt2 and the black "strato" album.Polaris was their best shot and in fact one of their greatest jobs since the era between Episode and Inifnite.
BTW: It seems like we never agree. : D
Polaris fresh?? again please.....you let it go dude, you have an opinion I got mine. end of the history.Balu wrote:Just tell me how the uninspired crap that was most of Elements 1 beats Polaris, a fresh and great album?adrian9 wrote:you are the one talking nonsense..so that is why I dont bother in argueBalu wrote:Please what? Don't say anything when you're talking nonsense? :banana1:adrian9 wrote:please...Balu wrote:Sure it does. Soul of a Vagabond was the only really good one on Elements 1.adrian9 wrote:you mean polaris beats Elements Pt 1? no way.....Polaris is only better than elements Pt2 and the black "strato" album.Polaris was their best shot and in fact one of their greatest jobs since the era between Episode and Inifnite.
BTW: It seems like we never agree. : D
You REALLY thing Elements (song)>Emancipation Suite? You've gotta be kidding.adrian9 wrote:Polaris fresh?? again please.....you let it go dude, you have an opinion I got mine. end of the history.Balu wrote:Just tell me how the uninspired crap that was most of Elements 1 beats Polaris, a fresh and great album?adrian9 wrote:you are the one talking nonsense..so that is why I dont bother in argueBalu wrote:Please what? Don't say anything when you're talking nonsense? :banana1:adrian9 wrote:please...Balu wrote:Sure it does. Soul of a Vagabond was the only really good one on Elements 1.adrian9 wrote:you mean polaris beats Elements Pt 1? no way.....Polaris is only better than elements Pt2 and the black "strato" album.Polaris was their best shot and in fact one of their greatest jobs since the era between Episode and Inifnite.
BTW: It seems like we never agree. : D
oh one more thing.
Emannncipatiiiionnnnnnnnnnnnn:fp:
Somewhere else you've said:adrian9 wrote:I have listened to polaris since we ranked the strato albums in another topic and I think is good too..but it doesnt have the magic , I dont even bought a copy I just borrowed one...and i will not buy that album for sure.
elemnts 2 and Stratoblack are weaks albums we all know that...but to me and I totally agree with tolkki , Elements Pt1 was the pinacle of stratovarius...and polaris will never ever beat that. sorry for you two guys.
adrian9 wrote:someday people will value music like a grande dame instead of a hooker.
Who's the kid nowadrian9 wrote:people bought more albums before internet ....stop talking shit balu for real....is like talking to a kid.
I think Im missing your cuotation pruposes here Gonza....anyway here is a reply.ggonza43 wrote:Sorry to put a drastic end to this "lovely" discussion...But noone of you is right. Come on people, this is really necessary? adrian9 thinks "Elements Pt.1" is better than "Polaris". Balu thinks the opposite. Who is right here? NO ONE! Because everybody has their own opinions; I personally may not like Elements Pt.1 or 2 and I am free to state what I find weak in the album, and so does adrian9 or Balu...But starting to argue about who's the best album, having each of you their own convictions...That won't never end dudes. Can't we just be friends and say: "I respect your opinions, you respect mine"?
Somewhere else you've said:adrian9 wrote:I have listened to polaris since we ranked the strato albums in another topic and I think is good too..but it doesnt have the magic , I dont even bought a copy I just borrowed one...and i will not buy that album for sure.
elemnts 2 and Stratoblack are weaks albums we all know that...but to me and I totally agree with tolkki , Elements Pt1 was the pinacle of stratovarius...and polaris will never ever beat that. sorry for you two guys.adrian9 wrote:someday people will value music like a grande dame instead of a hooker.Who's the kid nowadrian9 wrote:people bought more albums before internet ....stop talking shit balu for real....is like talking to a kid.?
Metallica is crap anyway. Their best stuff isn't even close to let's say Strato's worst.ggonza43 wrote:at those 2 quotes! Anyway, I have nothing against adrian9; if he doesn't like "Polaris", well good for him: I like it a lot, he doesn't, that's it. No need to argue anymore
But, and sorry to start another fight in here, compraing "Polaris" with "St. Anger"...Dude, are you fucking nuts? What the hell is wrong with you?!
Now I'm interested, what are you a big fan of? : Dggonza43 wrote:Metallica's best work are until "The Black Album" (and in fact, I can only stand "Enter Sandman", "Sad But True", "The Unforgiven" and "Wherever I May Roam"). After that, the whole "Load/Reload" and "St. Anger" are the worst they've ever made. "Death Magnetic" is a nice album, and a great comeback, but I still prefer to listen the whole "...And Justice For All".
With Stratovarius, even though there are some albums I honestly don't like at all, overall from each of them I can listen easily 80% of the whole production...So, Im my opinion: Stratovarius > Metallica (although I am not an insanely big fan of them)