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Has Malmsteen copy BlackDiamond in his new album Relentless?

Post by KupiainenItaly96 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:25 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8rftKqu8SA
From 4:50 to 5:18
I don't believe it at least he could copy Hands of Time or Playing with Fire that are not as popular as Black Diamond.
What a shame, too Malmsteen has copied the chorus of The Ancinet Fires of Har-Kuun of Rhapsody of Fire, always in Into Valhalla the copy and paste song.
I'm a great fan of a Malmsteen and i prefer Malmsteen to Stratovarius, but this is a shame!
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Re: Has Malmsteen copy BlackDiamond in his new album Relentless?

Post by Rebel » Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:27 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by KupiainenItaly96 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:30 am

Rebel don't deny the reality. Malmsteen has copied.
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Re: Has Malmsteen copy BlackDiamond in his new album Relentless?

Post by Rebel » Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:35 am

KupiainenItaly96 wrote:Rebel don't deny the reality. Malmsteen has copied.
I'm laughing at Malmsteen, he's such a fool

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Post by KupiainenItaly96 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:39 am

Rebel wrote:
KupiainenItaly96 wrote:Rebel don't deny the reality. Malmsteen has copied.
I'm laughing at Malmsteen, he's such a fool
I fully agree.
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Post by AGAG » Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:42 am

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Post by robocop656 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:03 am

AGAG wrote:??? ...
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Re: Has Malmsteen copy BlackDiamond in his new album Relentless?

Post by icecab21 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:17 am

Black diamond is a basic finger exercise, hardly anything original. Just generic baroque finger exercise. Malmsteen does not even follow the chord progression that black diamond does the finger exercise over. The second part of the phrase is completely different as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipzR9bhei_o
let me guess bach stole from black diamond as well

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Post by AGAG » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:40 am

robocop656 wrote:
AGAG wrote:??? ...
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:lol: :lol:

I'm not good at distinguishing things but are those spiked dicks on your avatar?
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Post by ggonza43 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:44 am

It sounds similar, not saying Yngwie "stole" it, but it may be considered pure coincidence. Besides, I don't think he needs to stole anything from nobody :)
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Post by adrian9 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:46 am

icecab21 wrote:Black diamond is a basic finger exercise, hardly anything original. Just generic baroque finger exercise. Malmsteen does not even follow the chord progression that black diamond does the finger exercise over. The second part of the phrase is completely different as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipzR9bhei_o
let me guess bach stole from black diamond as well
agreed x10000000 there are many examples of this. before and after black diamond.
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Post by ggonza43 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:52 am

Some power metal bands uses arrangements originally made by classic music composer...So they actually stole it all :D!
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Post by robocop656 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:01 am

AGAG wrote:
:lol: :lol:

I'm not good at distinguishing things but are those spiked dicks on your avatar?
Click on profile and check out the big version of the spiked dicks!!
ggonza43 wrote:Some power metal bands uses arrangements originally made by classic music composer...So they actually stole it all :D!

It ain't actually "stealing" because Bach is in the public domain (am I right?)
:laff: :laff:

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Re: Has Malmsteen copy BlackDiamond in his new album Relentless?

Post by pneumonia » Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:13 pm

It's rather taken from Toccata&Fugue in D minor, especially Fugue by Bach.

Bach and Vivaldi are the main influences in a huge part of power metal

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Post by RazielSR » Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:51 pm

KupiainenItaly, with this topic and this another one:http://forum.stratovarius.com/viewtopic.php?t=10244 it's clear for me that you are completely fool :lol: :lol: :lol:

Man, there's no copy there.

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Post by KupiainenItaly96 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:30 pm

RazielSR wrote:KupiainenItaly, with this topic and this another one:http://forum.stratovarius.com/viewtopic.php?t=10244 it's clear for me that you are completely fool :lol: :lol: :lol:

Man, there's no copy there.

And Malmsteen ROCKS!
And Kenji Yamamoto's topic? It's not crazy? :lol:
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Post by foerg » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:08 pm

pneumonia wrote:It's rather taken from Toccata&Fugue in D minor, especially Fugue by Bach.

Bach and Vivaldi are the main influences in a huge part of power metal
you´re so right...

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Re: Has Malmsteen copy BlackDiamond in his new album Relentless?

Post by lalodrums2 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:13 pm

icecab21 wrote:Black diamond is a basic finger exercise, hardly anything original. Just generic baroque finger exercise. Malmsteen does not even follow the chord progression that black diamond does the finger exercise over. The second part of the phrase is completely different as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipzR9bhei_o
let me guess bach stole from black diamond as well
I totally agree 100% with you.

In addition, Yngwie always use those notes one song (among a lot) is this... Minute mark 1.40

:) Cheers to Bach! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzjR1dV0JGc

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Post by ggonza43 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:46 pm

robocop656 wrote:It ain't actually "stealing" because Bach is in the public domain (am I right?)
:laff: :laff:
He is, if not all power metalers are thieves :lol:!
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Post by KupiainenItaly96 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:21 pm

RazielSR wrote:KupiainenItaly, with this topic and this another one:http://forum.stratovarius.com/viewtopic.php?t=10244 it's clear for me that you are completely fool :lol: :lol: :lol:

Man, there's no copy there.

And Malmsteen ROCKS!
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@Sumerian Fuck also you
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Post by ggonza43 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:23 pm

KupiainenItaly96 wrote:@Sumerian Fuck also you
Your troll stupid opinion about Tolkki, Stratovarius, Kupiainen and Symfonia are ridicolous.
Be neutral instead of shooting shit
Sumerian isn't even here :lol:!
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Post by KupiainenItaly96 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:26 pm

Yes I know that Sumerian isn't even here, but it's still an asshole
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Post by ggonza43 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:34 pm

Couldn't agree more with you :)
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Post by KupiainenItaly96 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:22 pm

ggonza43 wrote:Couldn't agree more with you :)
I do not give a fuck
But I respect you ggonza, you are a very Strato-fan, you are publishd all songs of Strato on youtube.

Ggonza OK
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Post by thefreeone » Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:49 pm

KupiainenItaly96 wrote:
ggonza43 wrote:Couldn't agree more with you :)
I do not give a fuck
But I respect you ggonza, you are a very Strato-fan, you are publishd all songs of Strato on youtube.

Ggonza OK
Sumerian FUCK! :lol:
A10 once again?

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Post by ggonza43 » Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:03 am

Thanks KupiainenItaly96, and no thefreeone, he isn't A10...As far as I'm concerned :lol: :D
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Post by Intiaani » Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:19 am

Well, I'd say that more than Black Diamond, the particular 4:50 - 5:18 part modifies the main finger exercise melody of this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XlNbQv_Rg4. I don't even know from which work it is originally; I take from one of Salieri's. :)

<e> lol, It's from Bach's Toccata and Fugue after all. :|
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Post by ggonza43 » Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:30 am

It's a common finger exercise from most keyboardist, nothing really special and original if you ask me. Besides, I don't think Yngwie had any intention of "copy" this, it was a coincidence :)
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Post by Intiaani » Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:38 am

Andall his stuff has always been very neoclassical, so that the classical influences really show. It would be nice to see some results of a research which shows whatever Yngwie has plagiarized or loaned, whether by accident or not. I think there might be hundreds of compositions involved. :)
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Post by ggonza43 » Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:33 am

Intiaani wrote:I think there might be hundreds of compositions involved. :)
And in the other way too :lol:
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