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Not that it is the same as the studio version, but here's a small piece of Shine in the Dark, played in Spain this week while the guys (Timo & Jens) promote Eternalrobocop656 wrote:Anybody hear this again?
Wrong. It's so much more pleasant to hear Koti's singing nowadays than back in time, when he was forced to sing tunes like Find Your Own Voice and Learning to Fly... songs not many singers -if there's one- would consider a pleasure to sing.jam wrote:sorry, your idol lost a lot his voice. Never will back to the glory's Timo Tolkkirikkertje wrote:I really, really, REALLY like it! They made great use of TK's range these days. Love the quite low vocals in the verses and then still some high notes in the chorus!
Only point if there is any is that this really needs the choir on a backing track during live performances. No way Lauri and Matias are able to back TK in this song and make it sound as epic as the studio version does.
Love it.
*trots off for some more listens*
one friend says: Actually, the best world wide singer is south american.
))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Agree! It's so nice that now TK can decide for himself when to sing high. Not being forced to sing those high wails all the time.Febo wrote:Wrong. It's so much more pleasant to hear Koti's singing nowadays than back in time, when he was forced to sing tunes like Find Your Own Voice and Learning to Fly... songs not many singers -if there's one- would consider a pleasure to sing.jam wrote:sorry, your idol lost a lot his voice. Never will back to the glory's Timo Tolkkirikkertje wrote:I really, really, REALLY like it! They made great use of TK's range these days. Love the quite low vocals in the verses and then still some high notes in the chorus!
Only point if there is any is that this really needs the choir on a backing track during live performances. No way Lauri and Matias are able to back TK in this song and make it sound as epic as the studio version does.
Love it.
*trots off for some more listens*
one friend says: Actually, the best world wide singer is south american.
Koti 2015 kicks ass and has reinvented himself throughtout his career, so... keep your hate for yourself and watch how Strato manages to go on enchanting the critics without Tolkki.
It's already about time for everybody to get over it.
See you at the Effenaar thenrikkertje wrote:Agree! It's so nice that now TK can decide for himself when to sing high. Not being forced to sing those high wails all the time.Febo wrote:Wrong. It's so much more pleasant to hear Koti's singing nowadays than back in time, when he was forced to sing tunes like Find Your Own Voice and Learning to Fly... songs not many singers -if there's one- would consider a pleasure to sing.jam wrote:sorry, your idol lost a lot his voice. Never will back to the glory's Timo Tolkkirikkertje wrote:I really, really, REALLY like it! They made great use of TK's range these days. Love the quite low vocals in the verses and then still some high notes in the chorus!
Only point if there is any is that this really needs the choir on a backing track during live performances. No way Lauri and Matias are able to back TK in this song and make it sound as epic as the studio version does.
Love it.
*trots off for some more listens*
one friend says: Actually, the best world wide singer is south american.
Koti 2015 kicks ass and has reinvented himself throughtout his career, so... keep your hate for yourself and watch how Strato manages to go on enchanting the critics without Tolkki.
It's already about time for everybody to get over it.
On the other hand I do kind of agree with jam (yes I know, it hurts to admit that). But that's only on TK's voice live. I do feel he has gotten worse love over the years. Of course one gets older, but studio TK and live TK seem to be two different people sometimes.
Well we'll see. My ticket for the November show in The Netherlands is here so I'm ready!
How much of that is based off youtube videos vs. actually seeing him in concert though?rikkertje wrote:On the other hand I do kind of agree with jam (yes I know, it hurts to admit that). But that's only on TK's voice live. I do feel he has gotten worse love over the years. Of course one gets older, but studio TK and live TK seem to be two different people sometimes.
Not. I saw them live many times over the years. It's not that he has become a bad singer. Not at all. His chest voice range just diminished, which is a logical thing when getting older. But with that I find his falsetto not so good these days. In my opinion it sounds weak.Rebel wrote:How much of that is based off youtube videos vs. actually seeing him in concert though?rikkertje wrote:On the other hand I do kind of agree with jam (yes I know, it hurts to admit that). But that's only on TK's voice live. I do feel he has gotten worse love over the years. Of course one gets older, but studio TK and live TK seem to be two different people sometimes.
I'm just curious, because I've seen him live twice, 2009 and 2015, and both times I came away feeling good about Kotipelto's vocal performance, especially 2015. I actually have the exact bootleg of the 2009 concert I saw, and when I listen to that, his voice sounds, "weak", but EVERYTHING sound weak. Guitars, drums, ect... and youtube is the same. For somewhat obvious reasons, a single point, off center bootleg recording onto a voice not entirely intended for creating mixed music will make a lot of clashing, and most of your good tones are just gone. It's especially obvious on the vocals. So I went into the 2015 show with the same mindset, and even being myself off center (Standing on the stage basically behind Jens to the extreme right. Without any of our knowledge my friend had bribed a guard to get us to the front) his voice was actually projected very well, and seemed strong at pretty much every part of Visions except the title track's huge scream. Admittedly that part was a shame, but by then, you'd spent about 55 minutes just being totally floored by how good he sounded, how much energy he had on stage. It was great. Even past Visions he was outstanding on the last 4-5 songs of the night.rikkertje wrote:Not. I saw them live many times over the years. It's not that he has become a bad singer. Not at all. His chest voice range just diminished, which is a logical thing when getting older. But with that I find his falsetto not so good these days. In my opinion it sounds weak.Rebel wrote:How much of that is based off youtube videos vs. actually seeing him in concert though?rikkertje wrote:On the other hand I do kind of agree with jam (yes I know, it hurts to admit that). But that's only on TK's voice live. I do feel he has gotten worse love over the years. Of course one gets older, but studio TK and live TK seem to be two different people sometimes.
That's why I'm happy with his vocal freedom these days! He makes much better use of his range!
The vocal melodies and production sound like they are straight from the new Cain's Offering albumvalo_666 wrote:This song sounds two hundred percent Jani Liimatainen
I heard the same thing from JensElz wrote:I met jani at bar few weeks ago and he told that its his and timos song
If it's too much for you, then leave. Or at least go to the Community For Other Languages section of the forum. At least there they'll understand what you're saying.jam wrote:maybe chinese kids talking stupid stuff with banned persons.
shit.... this is to much for me.