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The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:31 am
by stratohawk
Hey Folks!

I always wondered, if the beautiful beginning of the solo in "Will the sun rise" is taken from a classical theme or piece of music. Recently I heard a classical piece on some radio channel with EXACTLY the same melody line!!! But they didn't tell how it's called or who wrote it. :?

Now: Can somebody of you help me with it? Do you know which composer wrote this part which Timo Tolkki used for "Will the sun rise"-solo? Thanx.

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:56 am
by browneyedgirl
Now you've got me curious because I've also always thought the violin solo was very beautiful! :D

Maybe I'll search tommorrow.

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:49 am
by Jaakko
You really need to ask? :D

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:38 am
by cliff
stratohawk wrote:Hey Folks!
I always wondered, if the beautiful beginning of the solo in "Will the sun rise" is taken from a classical theme or piece of music.
It's Violon Concerto in A minor by J.S. Bach.

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:55 am
by browneyedgirl
cliff wrote:
stratohawk wrote:Hey Folks!
I always wondered, if the beautiful beginning of the solo in "Will the sun rise" is taken from a classical theme or piece of music.
It's Violon Concerto in A minor by J.S. Bach.
Of course! Bach is One of Tolkki's fav classic composers! :D Now I remember! :)

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:37 am
by stratohawk
cliff wrote: It's Violon Concerto in A minor by J.S. Bach.
cliff, thanx for the fast answer. :) I was just curious. Really cool and still very, very amazing how Tolkki combines Metal with classical elements. Genious.

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:54 pm
by empi
And what's the song from bach where the intro from blackdiamond ist taken from ???

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:15 pm
by Boy-85
The beginning before the solo is played by both Timo and Jens (which you probably knew already). There is footage on 'Infinite Visions' where Jens plays his part of it in the studio.
And about the intro to Black Diamond, it's just something Tolkki came up with. I don't know if it was taken from somewhere.

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:52 pm
by Elazul
Bach is that great guy from Germany :jump2:

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Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:50 pm
by Lapazeus
Boy-85 wrote:And about the intro to Black Diamond, it's just something Tolkki came up with. I don't know if it was taken from somewhere.
Well, similar melody lines are often used in baroque music and you can find many classical pieces with the same kind of or similar melody pattern. (Bach,Paganini for example)

Almost every Ynwie Malmsteen album has a similar melody going at least a few seconds. :wink: I personally regard it as a some kind of an tribute to Tolkki's classical idols.

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:09 pm
by Elazul
Steve Vai has covered Beethoven's 5th Symphony.
It´s a great guitar solo :)

Maybe Tolkki get some inspiration from Vivaldi, too.
In Vivaldi´s songs for example in the famous "Four Seasons" you can hear a very fast playing.
It´s great :crazy2:

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:59 pm
by stratohawk
hey folks, listen to Patrick Rondat, "Vivaldi Tribute". Veeery cool! :)

Oh, and by the way: There are some more examples for Stratovarius using classic and baroque elements, e.g. in "why are we here", "twilight symphony", ... But hell, if the bands' name is STRATOVARIUS, which we all know is the mixture of Stradivari (violin) and Stratocaster (e-guitar), this is somehow clear, eh? ;)

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:13 pm
by Beast_Pete
Elazul wrote:Steve Vai has covered Beethoven's 5th Symphony.
It´s a great guitar solo :)

Maybe Tolkki get some inspiration from Vivaldi, too.
In Vivaldi´s songs for example in the famous "Four Seasons" you can hear a very fast playing.
It´s great :crazy2:
Wasn't that Joe Satriani?

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:22 pm
by Elazul
Beast_Pete wrote:Wasn't that Joe Satriani?
Can be possible :tired:

Hmm Satriana is a great guitar-player and with Steve Vai in G3 :huh:

maybe they two covered the 5th symphony ???

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:38 am
by Twilight Legionnaire
Satriani did, that's for sure. It's awesome.

Not sure bout Vai.

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:30 am
by Stratovarious
Elazul wrote:Bach is that great guy from Germany :jump2:

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looks like tolkki

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:29 am
by Jack
Actually, you're both wrong. It was Malmsteen who covered the 5th.

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:06 pm
by Twilight Legionnaire
Maybe. But I am 100% sure Satriani also did ^_^ I'm listening to it while writing this.

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:23 am
by metalmaiden
You are all right!!!
Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie Malmsteen have ALL covered Beethoven's 5th on guitar.

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:10 pm
by HvyMtlClickWitch
Don't forget Trans-Siberian Orchestra!!! They covered Beethoven's 5th too!

This is getting sort of ridiculous, eh?

Re: The classical solo in "Will the sun rise"

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:18 am
by Maka
kinda...