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RE: downloading...

Post by asgard » Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:45 pm

Dear Jens
I am a big fan of stratovarius, i am from Argentina. I must confess that i downloaded Stratovarius, not only this cd, but other songs. :oops:
But i think that, that means nothing. I really love stratovarius, but the situation of this country don't allow me to buy many of the cds i like :( . Last year i started working, so, little by little i am buying all stratovarius discography. :D
I downloaded this cd, but i listened to it once, tought i have it in my computer. I want to hear it from de original cd.

I really want you to come to Argentina in this tour. I will never forget that 19/8/03, all that power, and that hours of madness....
I went last year to see Edguy/Kotipelto... only to see you guys!!! I knew you were going to play some strato songs, and i really wanted to here Koti and You playing.

I hope you can forgive me, and all the fans that cannot afford the original cd that easily.

Saludos
Daniel

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Re: RE: downloading...

Post by mango » Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:57 pm

The only things that I ever downloaded are very rare songs like Blackout (Scorpions cover), Karjalan kunnailla, Solitude (and 3 other songs that are quite impossible to get).

I haven't downloaded the new album, I just wait 'till september. It would also spoil the fun if I downloaded it right now.

The rest is all legaly purchased.

Now, I wan't a hug from Jens because I'm so honest and also because I already spend a lot of money on Stratovarius. Please? :)

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Re: RE: downloading...

Post by Beast_Pete » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:10 pm

Dear asgard!

Even if I'm not Jens, I think, that Jens is not pissed off because of you (if he is, but he will tell it to you himself). There are thousands, tentousands of fans, that have downloaded the new stuff. You are just one of them. And if you don't have too much money to buy the albums, then you don't cause any money loss for the band, because you wouldn't buy the album without the downloadings either.
The problem is with the journalist, who put the stuff onto the net. You are not to be blamed, and noone ever wants to find little downloaders, because they would be too easy to catch. ;)

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Re: RE: downloading...

Post by Beast_Pete » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:11 pm

mango wrote:I haven't downloaded the new album, I just wait 'till september. It would also spoil the fun if I downloaded it right now.
True. It happened with me and Elements Part II. It would have been better to wait for the delivery, but I couldn't. At least, I didn't download the special CD... I got it delivered. =P
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Re: RE: downloading...

Post by STRATOPHILIUS » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:21 pm

The only times I have been tempted to download an entire cd just for the heck have been for fright night becuase I couldnt find it anywhere.... :( :( :( but then I found it I think on amazon :) :) :) ...and Yngwie's Unleash The fury becuase it still isn't out here in the U.S. but fortunately for me I just paid a little more to have it shipped from Japan...I dont download becuase of all the virus crap people hide in stuff out there and becuase the quality is always better on cd then what you can download from some jackass...and I think the part for the band that must piss them off the most because I think it would piss me off a whole lot is the fact that it is so far from the release cause think about....in 3-4 months depending on when you downloaded it your gonna have listened to it a whole lot and even though you say your gonna buy it when you show up and have to dish out 20 bucks for music you already have a bet a little bit more than a few of you will think twice

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Re: RE: downloading...

Post by NeonVomit » Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:35 am

I mostly download rare stuff, b-sides, occasional live tracks that I don't possess (I have Visions of Europe) that sort of thing. I think that's perfectly reasonable.

As for albums... well. I guess as long as you buy the CD eventually as well, it's ok.
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Re: RE: downloading...

Post by Aresius » Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:51 am

asgard wrote:Dear Jens
I am a big fan of stratovarius, i am from Argentina. I must confess that i downloaded Stratovarius, not only this cd, but other songs. :oops:
But i think that, that means nothing. I really love stratovarius, but the situation of this country don't allow me to buy many of the cds i like :( . Last year i started working, so, little by little i am buying all stratovarius discography. :D
I downloaded this cd, but i listened to it once, tought i have it in my computer. I want to hear it from de original cd.

I really want you to come to Argentina in this tour. I will never forget that 19/8/03, all that power, and that hours of madness....
I went last year to see Edguy/Kotipelto... only to see you guys!!! I knew you were going to play some strato songs, and i really wanted to here Koti and You playing.

I hope you can forgive me, and all the fans that cannot afford the original cd that easily.

Saludos
Daniel
I have to say that is like you spoke for both of us...

you have to understund that is a big effort buying original cds .. and we as fans do it but we cant buy the whole discography just like buying a sweet
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Re: RE: downloading...

Post by grim2006 » Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:21 am

asgard wrote: I must confess that i downloaded Stratovarius, not only this cd, but other songs. :oops:
asgard wrote: Last year i started working, so, little by little i am buying all stratovarius discography. :D
I haven't downloaded the new album, but I do sympathise with you. I usually download music to either find new music or to see if I want to buy it. I have downloaded Stratovarius, but it has made me want to buy the albums even more. Downloading has allowed me to see what order I want to buy them in and if I actually like the albums. And I love all the albums. Slowly, I will buy all their discography too. I'm not exactly short of money, but I'm addicted to video games, Magic: The Gathering, anime and music, so my money has to spread out amongst them all. I currently own 5 albums and the DVD and I want to buy Elements pt. 1 and pt. 2 so badly! If I hadn't downloaded Elements pt. 1 and pt. 2 songs, I may have actually listened to all the bad reviews they got and not bought them.
asgard wrote: I really want you to come to Argentina in this tour. I will never forget that 19/8/03, all that power, and that hours of madness....
I went last year to see Edguy/Kotipelto... only to see you guys!!! I knew you were going to play some strato songs, and i really wanted to here Koti and You playing.
I'm so jealous. I live in a small city in New Zealand. First, Stratovarius has no plans (on their Tour Dates page) to come to New Zealand. And even if they did, they wouldn't come to my city. :(
asgard wrote: I hope you can forgive me, and all the fans that cannot afford the original cd that easily.
Me too. I mean, I kind of can afford them, but I have to spread my money around. I will make it my mission, though, to own all the 11 studio albums by the end of this year!!

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Re: RE: downloading...

Post by stratoplayer » Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:03 am

since some of you are baring your souls, i had the cds infinte and destiny copied to my computer from a friend, actually a lot more including visions of europe, elements 2 and visions but i bought those already. the reason i had those copied is because in monterrey only a few cds are for sale and sometimes only one of each album, so between my friends we copy the cds, AND BUY IT WHEN THEY ARE AVAILABLE!
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Re: RE: downloading...

Post by StragOvariuS » Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:59 am

still with that? :?

yeah...its illegal anyway, but everybody did that...curiosity kills...

this is an fucking OOOOOLD subject. :roll:
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Re: RE: downloading...

Post by NeonVomit » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:32 am

I think the only place you can buy as many metal cds as you want without making your bank kill you is Athens... cds there are SOOO cheap!! :shock: I bought Blaze - Silicon Messiah for 3 euro!!! And yes it's an original copy, yes it was from a proper legal store. Amazing! I bought a new copy of Visions (because my old copy got scratched) for 10 Euro. Also amazing!
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Re: RE: downloading...

Post by Latuman » Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:07 am

Just found another great example. As you can Google yourselves, the new Stormwitch album "Witchcraft" didn't receive that good reviews, the reasons mostly were:

-Bad Singer
-Unfinished
-Not enough material for 13 songs
-Lyrics
-80's sound

Thank god I did not follow the reviews. I just downloaded the album yesterday, and I think it sounds superb! Damn I love personal preferences!

First of all Andy Mück sounds GOOD and original compared to these carbon copy screamers we get these days (Dragonforce, etc). Second, 80's metal is great, I like it, since I like the old 80's Stormwitch albums too. I really dont care if its not "modern" if it WORKS! Lyrics are "bad" because they are from the eighties, so I think they simply work for that very reason.

And.

Stormwitch never made huge hits, but they have more heavy metal filled souls than many other bands and they actually put their minds into it, which means a lot to me. All Stormwitch albums sound a bit repetitive, but I dont care, listen enough and you can tell them apart from each other.

So I shall continue to not listen to what OTHER people say about bands and albums and make my own mind. This album will be on my purchase list. Probably its gonna be the next one too.

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Re: RE: downloading...

Post by eternity_strato » Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:41 am

For me, excepting 4 bands, I download every album I am interested to. If I like it, I buy it. That's all.

Also there are 4 bands that I don't download anything 'cos they're my favourites and I buy directly : Strato, Edguy, Maiden & Sonata Arctica.

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Post by Dragon77 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:45 pm

Hey, if it wasn't for P2P I would never have even HEARD of Stratovarius. I'm in the US, so we only get to hear what the record companies want to pay to promote (nothing but GARBAGE on the radio here :(

I've lost count of the number of Euro bands I've come to love, bought CDs/DVDs, and concert tickets to (when they get over here). Got to see Nightwish last year, will be seeing Stratovarius in October, Therion in September, and Mortiis in October.

I would never have known about any of them were it not for file sharing.

REAL fans will always buy the material, regardless of whether they've downloaded it.

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Post by Dragon77 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:18 pm

Jens:

I just finished reading the earlier Downloading thread and I honestly don't understand your (apparent) anger with downloading. Yes, there will always be those who just want something for nothing - but, IMHO, the smart thing is to think of it as FREE PUBLICITY (that's how more and more artists are viewing it as). Who is going to pay $10, $20, $30 for an album by a band they've never heard of? The culture is a bit different in the States and Canada than it is in Europe (I can't speak for other areas), in that the ONLY music you will hear on the radio is what the BIG record companies WANT you to hear. If you're not "Top 40", you're not getting on the radio - it's that simple.

So how are people supposed to hear you? How are they supposed to know about you?

Not to mention that there are hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of USED CDs/DVDs being sold every day, that the band (or the record company) will never see any money from. So, since you don't see any money in USED CD/DVD sales, should they now become illegal also? Mind you, I do support prosecution of those individuals who SELL anything in that manner - copied CDs/DVDs sellers should be fully prosecuted (that is my definition of a "pirate").

To attack your own fan base is like shooting yourself in the foot -- no fans = no money at all. As I mentioned in my post above, P2P has opened up a whole world of new music to me (and subsequently drained my bank account) seeing concerts and buying CDs/DVDs. You can't see a concert here for under $30 (if you're lucky!) - and if you go with someone (like a wife/husband), you just doubled that. I'll be spending over $80 US to see you guys in October and I'll probably end up picking up a CD or DVD at the show as well (and merchandise at shows is ALWAYS more expensive than one can get it for - legitimately - on the net).

And why? Because I was able to download enough stuff to decide that I LIKE you guys and that I want to see/hear more.

Those people who download stuff and never buy the real stuff would never have spent the money in the first place (not to mention the inherent inferior quality of MP3s compared to CDs). One of these days, people will come to realize (as a recent independant study shows - Illegal downloaders are also biggest spenders: research http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2 ... 50727.html) that downloading does not result in "lost" sales - it results in increased sales, because more people are exposed to the material.

Just because someone downloads something does not mean that they will not later purchase it.

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Re: RE: downloading...

Post by stratoplayer » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:56 am

you must understand, that true fans do buy the cds (i bought infinie yesterday, even though a friend of mine had lent it to me and i copyied it to my puter) but the problem lies in the fact that not everyone is a true fan and some just dont give a fuck if the artist goes broke as long as they get music,

yes i met strato at a friends house heard stratoshpere loved it, downloaded it, plus kiss of judas, black diamond, speed of light... etc.
but i have also a bough a cd every chance i get i currently have
twillight time
dreamspace
4th dimention
episode
visions
visions of europe
inifinite
destiny (japan version, it has cold winter nights)
and both elements
plus the dvd!

i am just missing fright night and intermission

but imagine if i downloaded all of them and did not buy it later, that is 8 cds at about 20 bucks apiece, i alone cost the band 160 dollars... so that is not gonna put me on jens good side is it?
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Post by Dragon77 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:23 pm

I understand that, Stratoplayer, but you could also have bought USED copied of the CDs and the band wouldn't have seen a penny of those sales either.

My opinion is that FANS will keep a band going, non-fans will not. Non-fans are just that - and they wouldn't have spent any money in the first place.

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Post by fifthtea_sausage » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:11 pm

but imagine if i downloaded all of them and did not buy it later, that is 8 cds at about 20 bucks apiece, i alone cost the band 160 dollars... so that is not gonna put me on jens good side is it?
You're acting as though the Artists already earned the money and if you download it you'll take it away. You don't take away their money if you download, you just keep them from earning more. And I think thats where I draw the "not my problem" line :D

Seriously, I almost die laughing when I hear these musicians say we need album sales to ensure that we produce a new album. First of all, these guys are all probably multi-millionaires. They can keep making all the cd's they want.

Secondly, and most importantly, you and the fans can go on and on about how your sales support future albums. Then once in a while a Tolkki will go insane or a Kiske will go do what..a Kiske did...and they'll just say screw this, I'm finished. So where are your future albums now?

Lets face it, the musicians are in control here.
I do not believe that it is the right thing to download music.
But I really don't sympathize with the pleas of the band either.

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Post by stratoplayer » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:29 pm

i meant take as in you "took" the mony they should have recieved not atuallay withdrawing from their bank accounts....

yes fans keep them going, but non fans are the ones that hurt on the wallet
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