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I know I'm a little late with buying the newest Strato album, but I just got it yersterday and where it says what kind of equipment Jorg uses, it says he uses triggers!? Since when did he start using those? For those who don't know, triggers are machines that play certain sounds that are programmed, and when you press a button (not exactly too sure about this, but I know it's something like this) it plays a specific sound.

Burning Reflection wrote:I know I'm a little late with buying the newest Strato album, but I just got it yersterday and where it says what kind of equipment Jorg uses, it says he uses triggers!? Since when did he start using those? For those who don't know, triggers are machines that play certain sounds that are programmed, and when you press a button (not exactly too sure about this, but I know it's something like this) it plays a specific sound.

Yes, Jorg uses triggers on every Stratovarius album!!!!!!!!
I m a drummer , trust me!!!!!!

Can you give me some examples from various albums please?

Burning Reflection wrote:Can you give me some examples from various albums please?

How do you think examples, he uses it on every song!!!

^ Like for example at what time he uses the trigger in a specific song. It's hard to believe that he uses triggers on EVERY song!

Triggers are part of the drum recording equipment, so yes, they are used on every song.

A trigger is not a sort of drumcomputer, it's kinda mic replacement. They trigger the movement of the drumhead, instead of recording de sound coming from it.

Thijs wrote:A trigger is not a sort of drumcomputer, it's kinda mic replacement. They trigger the movement of the drumhead, instead of recording de sound coming from it.

Yes, on every song

oh for Gods sake, it does not matter if he or any of the guys use this stuff. What counts is the end result which is most times very good.

SETH wrote:oh for Gods sake, it does not matter if he or any of the guys use this stuff. What counts is the end result which is most times very good.

Actually, yes, it does matter if he uses this equipment or not.
And I think it's a very intresting topic. And not only the sounds counts, but how it is produced too.

Gah whatever. Hellhammer uses triggers, very heavily I might add, and he's still considered one of the finest drummers around today.

Drum triggers are as commonplace as guitar effects. They make life easier for everyone. They're easier to set up, easier to program, easier to store than microphones, they don't feedback and they provide a clear, consistant sound that is vital in a metal setting, especially on tour but also in the studio.

Using triggers makes no one less of a drummer.

Triggers are normal...most of the black/death dummers use to correct the beats, so why Jorg, a fast drummer, wont use to play in a clean way?

Im not against the use of technology in this case.

You still have to play the same, as if you played without triggers.

I think he doesn't understand what the triggers themselves are and thinks Jorg is taking an easy way out. You often have the trigger pad on the skins or on the rims and when teh drum is hit it plays a sound. This way when playing the drums if the tone is changing cos of a shit venue or something you will get taht crisp clear already recorded sample. It does not make the drumming any easier rather it gives more of a consistent sound and is not as annoying to mic up.

NeonVomit wrote:Gah whatever. Hellhammer uses triggers, very heavily I might add, and he's still considered one of the finest drummers around today.

Drum triggers are as commonplace as guitar effects. They make life easier for everyone. They're easier to set up, easier to program, easier to store than microphones, they don't feedback and they provide a clear, consistant sound that is vital in a metal setting, especially on tour but also in the studio.

Using triggers makes no one less of a drummer.

I read in an interview with Hellhammer that using triggers forces you to be more accurate in your drumming, because being off by just a little can create problems with the sound. I'm not a drummer and I can't remember the specifics of why this was so, perhaps a drummer could fill me in?

A lot of people seem to think that triggers are like a drum machine.

DougieHammett wrote:I think he doesn't understand what the triggers themselves are and thinks Jorg is taking an easy way out. You often have the trigger pad on the skins or on the rims and when teh drum is hit it plays a sound. This way when playing the drums if the tone is changing cos of a shit venue or something you will get taht crisp clear already recorded sample. It does not make the drumming any easier rather it gives more of a consistent sound and is not as annoying to mic up.

I typed something really long the other day and this forum read "system error" or something like that, but bottom line is, I don't think he's cheating, but isn't what you're talking about is "clickers"? My friend plays drums and he says that those are things that make the drum have the same loudness no matter how hard you hit them. Is he mistaken or re you talking about something else?

SETH wrote:oh for Gods sake, it does not matter if he or any of the guys use this stuff. What counts is the end result which is most times very good.

Actually it matters a lot. Would strato be so cool if the sample the keys by computer?. NO!

If you are playing double bass, like Jörg, it's necessary to use triggers on the bass drums unless you use wooden beaters.

And he (like soooo many others) uses them in the live situation to ease up the tuning process. Once a drum is triggered, the tuning is minimal work.

I kind of understand now...so if you have an acoustic drum kit, triggers help keep minute differences in sounds seperate...(?) For example, if you hit the rim of the snare, the trigger will eliminate any sound that may come out actual snare drum itself? And just one more question, does a trigger make the drums have the same loudness regardless of how hard you hit them?

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Well , first of all you have to know that all the Triggers go Connected to the Trigger Machine, like a shoe box .. abit smaller maybe.

and that box ecaualizes every trigger, and some of the newest ones have the option to put a top limit on intensity, so if you hit normal , will sound the same as if you hitted extremely hard.

another thing.

for the ones that dont play drums, dont think that triggers are cheat, because its not. triggers are just like small rectangular bars that go atached to the drumhead and work like just a microphone! but with a very very clean sound, and plastic too. (which i like a lot for metal).


and last thing, i dont think every album have triggers on the drumplay.

at least from elements Part 1 up to date, im sure he used them.

for visions album i dont think so. beacuse of the sound , do you agree?

DW5000AD3 wrote:Well , first of all you have to know that all the Triggers go Connected to the Trigger Machine, like a shoe box .. abit smaller maybe.

and that box ecaualizes every trigger, and some of the newest ones have the option to put a top limit on intensity, so if you hit normal , will sound the same as if you hitted extremely hard.

another thing.

for the ones that dont play drums, dont think that triggers are cheat, because its not. triggers are just like small rectangular bars that go atached to the drumhead and work like just a microphone! but with a very very clean sound, and plastic too. (which i like a lot for metal).


and last thing, i dont think every album have triggers on the drumplay.

at least from elements Part 1 up to date, im sure he used them.

for visions album i dont think so. beacuse of the sound , do you agree?

Thank you! That explanation really helped! As far as using triggers on every album, I don't know, but I'll keep my ear out for subtle differences next time I listen to some Strato albums!