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Post by Syren.S » Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:11 am

dunno if you guys have seen the movie "zorro 2" (aka The Legend of Zorro) or not. I watched it couple of days ago, and i was really suprised to see a scene like this...
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it's a fireplace and Zorro is trying to hide himself in it. that scene only lasts one or two seconds and i couldn't belive my eyes. I was like "waaaaiiit - what's that?!"
but i finally managed to get a screenshot so my eyes didn't cheat me.

I know that lily sign is not only used by strato, but...Zorro???
I can understand if this house is in Quebec or somewhere nearby, just...i don't think Zorro has ever been to Canada. :lol:

so could any of you explain how could this ever happened? does that lily sign have some special meanings or common use as decoration? I haven't seen it somewhere else before. (don't tell me it's because one of you guys hided in their crew and made this on purpose :wink: )

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Post by StragOvariuS » Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:44 am

Maybe its related with religion or i dunno.

i need see the movie yet =)

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Post by NeonVomit » Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:04 am

I'm not sure, but many Canadian people could help you out :D Quebequois have it on their flag, or something.
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Post by browneyedgirl » Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:31 am

The fleur-de-lys is a French sign of heraldry, royalty, something like that. Since, I think, the early explorers&first settlers of Canada came from France, I guess they brought their symbols with them.
I think it has been said Strato took to this symbol simply because they like it!
I've liked the pattern, too, all my life. Its very classy, I think.
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Post by nepi » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:21 am

For me it has two very important meaning, this sign, because it is the sign of Stratovarius and I am since years a scout and it is (nearly) the same sign
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Post by htcdude » Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:06 am

I was going to say also in the UK they use the sign for the Scouts.
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Post by nepi » Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:11 am

htcdude wrote:I was going to say also in the UK they use the sign for the Scouts.
The sign for the scouts all over the world. You can find it everywhere.
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Post by Syren.S » Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:27 am

Hmmm...I think you are right, this must be a heraldry thing, as this house in the movie belongs to a French Count.
I always love this sign, too. It's beautiful~

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Post by nepi » Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:45 pm

Syren.S wrote:......I always love this sign, too. It's beautiful~
are you a scout too?
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Post by metalman » Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:01 pm

I have seen Stratovarius kind of lilys in many movies especially in the middle-age movies like Timeline.

It is often used in the shields so maybe it's some kind of decoration or coat of arms...

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Post by browneyedgirl » Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:12 pm

metalman wrote:I have seen Stratovarius kind of lilys in many movies especially in the middle-age movies like Timeline.

It is often used in the shields so maybe it's some kind of decoration or coat of arms...
Yes, its in many coat-of-arms. I think its in both my parents, and neither one has a drop of French blood!
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Post by Stratobanger » Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:25 pm

As i recall the fleur-de-lys was used to mark the prostitues, i don't remember why...Joan Of Arc used it in her banner (is this correct cause i don't remember how to say estandarte in english) when she fought against England...

She took it to Orleans...in France...later...the sign came to America...New Orleans...

But that¡s as far as my culture goes...i haven't seen the movie so i have no idea why the fleur-de-lys is there....

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Post by htcdude » Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:18 pm

Here be where it come from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-lys
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Post by soulforged the secon » Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:27 pm

this thing was the emblem of some reach familys(that ruled) in the midlleages....
in roma..veneciaand so on(or how the thelli it is)

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Post by browneyedgirl » Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:56 pm

I'd like to have a tattoo of it, somewhere. ;)
I like the pattern of the fleur-de-lys.
Thanks for that link, htcdude! :)
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Post by IceBreaker » Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:02 pm

browneyedgirl wrote: Thanks for that link, htcdude! :)
Also my thanks for the link. It revealed me lots of good information about the symbol. :)

Hmm, Flower of Light, it sounds for me lots of "Tolkki". He certainly knows what´s the idea behind the choose of the lily, though it´s been said they just liked it. :roll:
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Post by Cristiane » Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:39 pm

browneyedgirl wrote:I'd like to have a tattoo of it, somewhere. ;)
I like the pattern of the fleur-de-lys.
Thanks for that link, htcdude! :)
Same here! it'd be a very beautiful tattoo :)

I'm killing time here and reading that link I found an important brazilian author who wrote a play called fleur de lys... and I had no idea he also wrote plays!
I kept searching and I found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monteiro_Lobato

it has nothing to do with fleur de lys story (or with stratovaris at all) but it's about one of our most important writers who was born in my hometown and they made a nice description of it. Cool :D
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Post by MetalAngel » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:58 pm

browneyedgirl wrote:The fleur-de-lys is a French sign of heraldry, royalty, something like that. Since, I think, the early explorers&first settlers of Canada came from France, I guess they brought their symbols with them.
I think it has been said Strato took to this symbol simply because they like it!
I've liked the pattern, too, all my life. Its very classy, I think.
This is right. Anyway, the lily was not only the symbol of French royalty but of the Spain one. The Spain royalty is linked with the French one by a family called the Bourbon. Louis XIV was a Bourbon. So, that's why Spain used the same symbol. And when Spain invaded Mexico to "civilize" it, they took the symbol with them in order to show that this country belonged to Spanish King. And, finally, that's the reason why you can see the lily in this movie. :)
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Post by mo-ka » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:58 pm

In Italy is the symbol of Firenze. (...and their team of soccer)
however is a fine decoration.
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Post by Stratobanger » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:13 pm

This is right. Anyway, the lily was not only the symbol of French royalty but of the Spain one. The Spain royalty is linked with the French one by a family called the Bourbon. Louis XIV was a Bourbon. So, that's why Spain used the same symbol. And when Spain invaded Mexico to "civilize" it, they took the symbol with them in order to show that this country belonged to Spanish King. And, finally, that's the reason why you can see the lily in this movie. :)[/quote]

Now that explains everything...but i knew they used to mark the prostitues...am i right or have i been living a lie?

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Post by MetalAngel » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:29 pm

Stratobanger wrote:Now that explains everything...but i knew they used to mark the prostitues...am i right or have i been living a lie?
I don't know. That's the 1st time I read this... :roll:
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Post by Stratobanger » Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:24 pm

Oh my god...i've been living a lie!!! (runs away)

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Post by MetalAngel » Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:26 pm

Stratobanger wrote:Oh my god...i've been living a lie!!! (runs away)
:lol: :lol:

Just put the bonus cd of the Elements pt 1 box set and play "Run Away", it will me more simple. :D
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Post by Syren.S » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:44 am

oh thanks a lot, to all of you!
have learnt lots of new things today~that's why i like the forum :P

btw i think i have seen this very same sign today...through the window of the bus. it is in front of a house or something. gonna double check next time.

and yes, that will be an awsome tattoo. ^_^

@nepi: i'm not a scout, as we don't have that in China. we do have some kind of commission for children and youth, but that relates to communism so i won't mention it! (Communist Youth League, how cool is that...)

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Post by StragOvariuS » Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:37 am

Syren.S wrote: and...for the one who said i'm cool...thanks...
although i have no idea where did you find my pic... :oops:
[have i put any of those silly pics on hp? rush back to check my own page now......]
found in your site/profile...heh, whatever! :wink:
its not silly btw. :)
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Post by SETH » Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:21 am

talk of tattoos. Doesn't Tolkki have a red fleur de lis on his right arm toward the shoulder? I thought i saw this on Infinite Visions. Or did I imagine it?
I know he has an hourglass on the other arm.

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Post by Beast_Pete » Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:48 pm

SETH wrote:I know he has an hourglass on the other arm.
Jörg has that too. It's the clock showing how fast the Father Time reaches us.
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Post by browneyedgirl » Sun Dec 04, 2005 1:03 pm

Beast_Pete wrote:
SETH wrote:I know he has an hourglass on the other arm.
Jörg has that too. It's the clock showing how fast the Father Time reaches us.
Yeah, a cool tattoo, too! :)

OffTopic: Hey, is that who that mystery dude is on Storm of the Century? Father Time/Death? ??? I wonder.
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Post by Syren.S » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:33 pm

SETH wrote:talk of tattoos. Doesn't Tolkki have a red fleur de lis on his right arm toward the shoulder? I thought i saw this on Infinite Visions. Or did I imagine it?
I know he has an hourglass on the other arm.
that's right. lily on the right and hourglass on the left. [i just watched the dvd again 8) ]

about this symbol, does any of you familiar with photoshop? last time when i edited some pic in photoshop i realized that this symbol is actually in its toolbar(choose "custom shape" in the left and use th drop down menu on the top then you will see it). it's like an auto shape thing. dunno if that's in all versions of photoshop, but at leasts works in mine (7.0 and CS)
i found it very interesting and when i told my friend she was like "oh maybe that's why they used it. very easy to get and to do CD cover, image design, whatever..." lol

off topic: i just booked my flight at SAS and will be heading back to beijing in one month. and after another half month i'll be in HongKong. seems too long to wait...sigh...
anyway, i will try to take some pics at that time. just spent a day to code my online gallery thingie. now i have a place to upload my pics everywhere, so...let's wait and see.
maybe i should open a "HongKong tour" topic instead, i mean, later. i don't really have too much to say about it now. the only thing i can show you is some photos of my ticket :lol:
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Post by stratohawk » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:08 am

yeah, the hourglass as tattoo is really really cool. Generally I don't like tattoos, but that one would be a motive I could imagine for myself. :wink:

And the Lily has got a bunch of meanings. Did somebody already mention that in times of the witch hunt in some regions women who were believed to be witches were branded with that symbol?

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