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Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:18 pm
by Infinite Diamond
Hi everybody !
I'm a new french member. At first, sorry for my bad english
So, I would like to know if the two Elements can be considered as concept album. Are elements like water, wind, earth or fire recurrents themes in the songs ?
Thanks.
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:07 pm
by Beast_Pete
Listen to the album, and you'll find the answer yourself. Cheers!
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:02 pm
by Infinite Diamond
I'm sorry but I can't see why all the songs from Elements Pt. 2 and "Eagleheart", "Fantasia", "Soul Of a Vagabond" tell about the Elements.
For "Elements" and "A drop in the ocean", no problem !
But for the rest...
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:23 pm
by Stratofanius
Infinite Diamond wrote:I'm sorry but I can't see why all the songs from Elements Pt. 2 and "Eagleheart", "Fantasia", "Soul Of a Vagabond" tell about the Elements.
For "Elements" and "A drop in the ocean", no problem !
But for the rest...
Well, in fact I think that lyrics of "Ride Like the Wind" are about wind
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:00 pm
by Patricia
Hei to you Infinite Diamond
I guess that Eagleheart could be compared to the Air because of the Eagle..
You've also a french topic in differents languages topics by the way. You'll be welcome there!
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:51 pm
by Maniac
Well there's a trick my friend!
It depends on how you consider some things. I think that there aren't only the elements of nature linked with the albums title!
Hope that you got me
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:03 am
by Paola
I agree with you, Maniac...
BTW: Infinite Diamond, Welcome to the Forum!!
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:36 am
by Infinite Diamond
Thank you all !
I did a search on these albums. For the moment, I can say this :
--ELEMENTS PT.1--
- Eagleheart -> Wind (because of the Eagle) or Fire ("his eyes are blazing with fire")
- Soul Of a Vagabond -> It might be Earth but not sure
- Find Your Own Voice ->
No idea
- Fantasia ->
No idea
- Learning To Fly -> Wind
- Papillon -> It must be Wind
- Stratofortress ->
No idea
- Elements -> All elements
- A Drop In The Ocean -> Water (because of the title and the sea sounds)
Bonus tracks
- Runaway ->
No idea
- Into Deep Blue -> Water
--ELEMENTS PT.2--
- Alpha & Omega -> Maybe all elements (because of the lyrics)
- I Walk To My Own Song ->
No idea
- I'm Still Alive ->
No idea
- Season Of Faith's Perfection ->
No idea
- Awaken The Giant ->
No idea
- Know The Difference ->
No idea
- Luminous -> Maybe Wind (because it's the continuation to "Papillon")
- Dreamweaver ->
No idea
- LIberty ->
No idea
Bonus Tracks
- Ride Like The Wind -> Wind
Now like Maniac says, it may there aren't only elements of nature but elements like "Fear", "Anger", "Sorrow", "Joy" too. These are human feelings.
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:22 pm
by eternity_strato
I think both are deep conceptual. Timo Tolkki wanted to express the feelings of human beings inside the elements. Comparing, every song has a meaning about how humans are affected by things that happen.
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:45 pm
by Beast_Pete
Luminous is rather fire for me, as it's luminous, shining.
Awaken the Giant sounds so much earth for me.
Dunno why.
Find Yoru Own Voice... hmm. Dunno, maybe fre, as it lights a fire in your heart, not to let others change your own opinions etc.
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:48 pm
by Infinite Diamond
Awaken the Giant sounds so much earth for me. Dunno why.
Yeah me too I think that !
Maybe because it's an heavy song !
In fact I don't know
For Luminous, mmh I think the song is too atmospheric and airy to deal with Fire
But Find Your Own Voice, why not...
Other suggestion : there might be a link between the tempo and the elements (I dunno, Fire with speed songs, Wind with slow songs and ballad...)
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:12 pm
by NeonVomit
Jens said in an interview there was no link between the two albums. Purely artwork based. Maybe they wanted to get out of their Nuclear Blast record deal asap, so released two albums in a short time.
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:18 pm
by IceBreaker
NeonVomit wrote:Maybe they wanted to get out of their Nuclear Blast record deal asap, so released two albums in a short time.
Also it´s said in many sources that they (Tolkki mostly) had so much new songs available, that it couldn´t be possible to release them all in one album. And because they were recorded all in quite same period, you can see it was easy to release ´em in a short time.
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:03 pm
by Dave
Infinite Diamond wrote:Thank you all !
I did a search on these albums. For the moment, I can say this :
--ELEMENTS PT.1--
- Eagleheart -> Wind (because of the Eagle) or Fire ("his eyes are blazing with fire")
- Soul Of a Vagabond -> It might be Earth but not sure
- Find Your Own Voice ->
No idea
- Fantasia ->
No idea
- Learning To Fly -> Wind
- Papillon -> It must be Wind
- Stratofortress ->
No idea
- Elements -> All elements
- A Drop In The Ocean -> Water (because of the title and the sea sounds)
Bonus tracks
- Runaway ->
No idea
- Into Deep Blue -> Water
--ELEMENTS PT.2--
- Alpha & Omega -> Maybe all elements (because of the lyrics)
- I Walk To My Own Song ->
No idea
- I'm Still Alive ->
No idea
- Season Of Faith's Perfection ->
No idea
- Awaken The Giant ->
No idea
- Know The Difference ->
No idea
- Luminous -> Maybe Wind (because it's the continuation to "Papillon")
- Dreamweaver ->
No idea
- LIberty ->
No idea
Bonus Tracks
- Ride Like The Wind -> Wind
Now like Maniac says, it may there aren't only elements of nature but elements like "Fear", "Anger", "Sorrow", "Joy" too. These are human feelings.
Most of the tracks with "no idea" sound very spirit-connected to me--they tell things about human mind and that stuff.
Didn't we have a discussion about the 5th element here some time ago?
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:10 pm
by stratohawk
IceBreaker wrote:NeonVomit wrote:Maybe they wanted to get out of their Nuclear Blast record deal asap, so released two albums in a short time.
Also it´s said in many sources that they (Tolkki mostly) had so much new songs available, that it couldn´t be possible to release them all in one album. And because they were recorded all in quite same period, you can see it was easy to release ´em in a short time.
And still I think they could have made one strong album out of both by leaving out a few "weak" songs. I don't like this "9-song-album-conception" that Stratovarius seem to follow. Remember Dreamspace, Episode, Forth Dimension? They had all more than 10 songs!
But to topic: I wouldn't call them concept albums. There is no obvious basic background in them. Some songs have to do with the Elements, but this is nothing new for Stratovarius. Just take "Infinite" "Destiny". You have Mother Gaia, Hunting High and Low, Cold Winter Nights, Phoenix, ... The songs on the Elements-album have not more to do with the four elements than these songs.
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:00 pm
by Beast_Pete
@Dave: yes, we had. And the fifth element is 2005.
j/k
Anyway, it can be metal, spirit or even Stratovarius itself.
@stratohawk: you are right. I think, that Tolkki wanted to make one album out of those songs btw, but Nuclear Blast must have been so annoying, that he rather chose to make two albums out of the stuff, and to get free from the contract.
(anyway, there could be an Elements III, a compillation album chosen by the fans... and only elements from the 4 main elements could be chosen, like Phoenix, Playing With Fire etc. What do you guys/gals think about it?)
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:05 pm
by Dave
I don't know--Kotipelto said in some interview, that Tolkki started writing a double-disc-album right after finishing Infinite, though they had planned to do some break, in which they were releasing Intermission.
At this time TT had been very instable yet, and got some therapy later (before the hospitalizing), and after releasing E1 he said that he felt so great because of this therapy..
Beast_Pete wrote:(anyway, there could be an Elements III, a compillation album chosen by the fans... and only elements from the 4 main elements could be chosen, like Phoenix, Playing With Fire etc. What do you guys/gals think about it?)
I'd rather like to wait for the new album than to see another compilation..
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:02 am
by IceBreaker
Dave wrote:Beast_Pete wrote:(anyway, there could be an Elements III, a compillation album chosen by the fans... and only elements from the 4 main elements could be chosen, like Phoenix, Playing With Fire etc. What do you guys/gals think about it?)
I'd rather like to wait for the new album than to see another compilation..
Me too. Maybe it´s best to get still one (or even two) new albums and after them making a new compilation. That could then be only for newer songs or again a new fan compilation. But it SHALL NOT BE called Elements III, I bet also TK wouldn´t like to hear that named album anymore. Never.
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:04 pm
by Beast_Pete
I didn't say, that this compillation album should follow the Stratovarius album.
I think, it should be released after the 14th album.
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:57 pm
by Infinite Diamond
In a recent interview from Timo Kotipelto and Jens Johansson published in Rock Hard France (Jul./August 2005), they said they didn't want to Timo Tolkki write an ELEMENTS PT.3 because "
we have said all we have to say in this register" (in french : "Nous avions dit, dans ce registre, tout ce que nous avions à dire")
Re: Are Elements Pt. 1 & 2 concept albums ?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:32 pm
by Patricia
Infinite Diamond wrote:In a recent interview from Timo Kotipelto and Jens Johansson published in Rock Hard France (Jul./August 2005), they said they didn't want to Timo Tolkki write an ELEMENTS PT.3 because "
we have said all we have to say in this register" (in french : "Nous avions dit, dans ce registre, tout ce que nous avions à dire")
And i think they're right!!