Breakup: Where is the truth?

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Whose story is most trustworthy?

Tolkki 0%, other guys 100%
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38%
Tolkki 10%, other guys 90%
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24%
Tolkki 30%, other guys 70%
11
22%
Tolkki 70%, other guys 30%
6
12%
Tolkki 90%, other guys 10%
2
4%
 
Total votes: 50

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Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by boswoth » Sun May 11, 2008 10:09 am

What do you think?

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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by NeonVomit » Sun May 11, 2008 10:18 am

tl,dr
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by Mormegil » Sun May 11, 2008 10:35 am

NeonVomit wrote:tl,dr
Image THIS IS NOT 4Chan. :P

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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by NeonVomit » Sun May 11, 2008 10:55 am

Mormegil wrote: THIS IS NOT 4Chan. :P
I'm sure you can understand my confusion. It's certainly heading in the same direction.
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by Beast_Pete » Sun May 11, 2008 11:06 am

wat
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by Mormegil » Sun May 11, 2008 11:14 am

NeonVomit wrote:
Mormegil wrote: THIS IS NOT 4Chan. :P
I'm sure you can understand my confusion. It's certainly heading in the same direction.
For a minute this forum was even more retarded. I liked it.

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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by Beast_Pete » Sun May 11, 2008 11:18 am

5
"Mikor az utolsó véred is elfolyék,
S a tested is a porba hullék,
Akkor is van még remény,
Mert a lelked továbbra is él."

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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by boswoth » Sun May 11, 2008 11:20 am

4

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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by Mormegil » Sun May 11, 2008 11:24 am

FROSTED BUTTS. Oh, too late...
Beast_Pete wrote:5
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by NeonVomit » Sun May 11, 2008 11:45 am

Image
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by browneyedgirl » Sun May 11, 2008 4:54 pm

NeonVomit wrote:Image
:lol: That poor dog!
NeonVomit, you have such cute pictures in your posts, but have you checked out http://www.forumspile.com

That was offtopic. :D
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by Mormegil » Sun May 11, 2008 4:59 pm

So you want cute, eh?

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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by chire » Sun May 11, 2008 7:23 pm

I believe in Stratovarius Members,
a band must have problems in their way, more if you have been sharing 12 years of your life, and you cant run away and make a new band, thats not the way of a "warrior of light", or is it?.
a band its a family, where you fight you cheer you laugh you feel alone you feel suported, lots of states changing by the pass of time.

Its true that you tolkki and the original band-formers created stratovarius, and you couldnt have done better, at that time you might have been the soul
but now you are not the absolute soul, it is fragmented, the chance that TK, JM, JJ, LP can continue making music for stratovarius is going to happen, why do you care about them if you even dont consider them friends, and you say you are so happy with your RR new band, why are you still feeling menaced because of the old members wnat to continue stratovarius, why do you care about the money they will afford i mean thats a very greedy way fo thinking what the fuck is going on, just let them continue.
being more than 15 years the "leader" or dictator and some times made you forget that each band member has the same or even more motivations in life, abstract thinking, deep filosophical thoughts than you, you are not the only one that "understands the life and why we are here", there are so many proofs that the composer of the songs cant be enough for a band to triumph, just look at the change the band had at Fourth dimension-Visions from before, because of band members new lineup. you were the Leader, and you did awesome, but the mistake was being the leader forever whats the point of that, the albums got crappier and worst release by release.

tolkki, after your maniatic depression now you are different, i've listened to your RR samples, i now people will like it, but some of them just sounds even close to "stratovarius" album, which is not good. and why do you hate the 190 BPM type songs for some interesting double bass and a little of fast heart beat, i mean thats not so fast to avoid putting it. we are full of mid-slow tempo songs everywhere

i am no famous guy, just a musician, an ordinary person who plays drums with his life (underground metal, no $$.. for ever), and for hobby work as engineer, and study in university, with a Soul-Body-Mind filosofy and tries to combine the 3 things with the oportunities that my place offers.

i just see the things from the point of view of a Stratovarius fan i've always been, no matter if i play other music style.

all this is because im trying to help you, make you see that you are very different, in a bad way, after that maniac incident, i wish you could become the other Timo Tolkki we all knew, and obviosly Evolved with the time passed. best wishes for your life.

for Timo Kotipelto, Jorg Michael, Lauri Porra, Jens Johansson, i really want to see you guys keep playing together, we want you guys to blow us with some of the Real Stratovarius Music we miss so much, we miss the Accelerated Heart beat of Stratovarius! yeah the double bass JORG!go and put an earthquake!!
we miss the Solo Wars between Keyboards and Guitar, the long sang verses of timo Kotipelto!, the bass solos and solid Leading figures of Lauri, hope to see news soon!

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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by Shurik » Sun May 11, 2008 8:26 pm

I can't believe nobody said this yet:

The truth is out there.
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by NeonVomit » Sun May 11, 2008 9:37 pm

chire wrote:snip
Dude, wtf, an on-topic post in this thread?
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by Beast_Pete » Mon May 12, 2008 12:28 am

Shurik wrote:I can't believe nobody said this yet:

The truth is out there.
Scully and Mulder? :P
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by dirge » Mon May 12, 2008 12:35 am

Scully! Phwoar!!! :luv1: Damnit, now i'm horny... BRB! :lol:

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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by IceBreaker » Mon May 12, 2008 12:46 am

Beast_Pete wrote:
Shurik wrote:I can't believe nobody said this yet:

The truth is out there.
Scully and Mulder? :P
nefertari keeps on saying Mulder looks a bit like Kotipelto (nose, mouth and jaw) so definately the truth is out there. :lol:
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by Plisken » Mon May 12, 2008 3:19 am

lol why is this poll bias?

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Post by browneyedgirl » Mon May 12, 2008 4:24 am

:roll: Its NOT bias. Its a Poll. People can be honest&anonymous answering polls. Its not rigged. :roll:
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by StratoHeart » Mon May 12, 2008 4:34 am

I can't believe that someone already said:

"The truth is out there"

I just thought that was a great creative idea of mine! :x

BTW, here goes The X Files II!

Sorry for the offtopic, I just love those two...

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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by StratoHeart » Mon May 12, 2008 4:41 am

And you know what? After all the pain due to the announcement of the end, I just have in my mind that Stratovarius is dead since they took the that strange break right after Infinite. There was something in the air, the same thing which explode in front of us some weeks ago.

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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by NeonVomit » Mon May 12, 2008 7:50 am

StratoHeart wrote: I just have in my mind that Stratovarius is dead since they took the that strange break right after Infinite.
Even though they came back with (in my opinion anyway) their strongest album after Episode and Visions in Elements pt.1? :confused:
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by Plisken » Mon May 12, 2008 8:59 am

browneyedgirl wrote::roll: Its NOT bias. Its a Poll. People can be honest&anonymous answering polls. Its not rigged. :roll:
it is! look at the options given why is there Tolkki 0%, other guys 100% and no Tolkki 100%, other guys 0%?

Also why is there no Tolkki 50%, other guys 50%? Your ether 100% with the other guys or 90% with Tolkki. The other options are not needed.... I would have gone 50/50 but is it there? no because its bias =/

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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by boswoth » Mon May 12, 2008 9:17 am

Plisken wrote: it is! look at the options given why is there Tolkki 0%, other guys 100% and no Tolkki 100%, other guys 0%?

Also why is there no Tolkki 50%, other guys 50%? Your ether 100% with the other guys or 90% with Tolkki. The other options are not needed.... I wold have gone 50/50 but is it there? no because its bias =/
lol .. the 100% tolkki one is the one that's not needed

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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by Plisken » Mon May 12, 2008 9:21 am

boswoth wrote:
Plisken wrote: it is! look at the options given why is there Tolkki 0%, other guys 100% and no Tolkki 100%, other guys 0%?

Also why is there no Tolkki 50%, other guys 50%? Your ether 100% with the other guys or 90% with Tolkki. The other options are not needed.... I wold have gone 50/50 but is it there? no because its bias =/
lol .. the 100% tolkki one is the one that's not needed
ok thats why its bias, in your opinion its not needed so you didnt put it....but wasnt the point of the poll to see everyone's opinions 0_o? im sure there are people that agree with Timo 100% like how there are people who agree with the rest of stratovarius 100%....

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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by NeonVomit » Mon May 12, 2008 9:31 am

boswoth wrote:
lol .. the 100% tolkki one is the one that's not needed
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by browneyedgirl » Mon May 12, 2008 3:56 pm

Plisken wrote:
browneyedgirl wrote::roll: Its NOT bias. Its a Poll. People can be honest&anonymous answering polls. Its not rigged. :roll:
it is! look at the options given why is there Tolkki 0%, other guys 100% and no Tolkki 100%, other guys 0%?

Also why is there no Tolkki 50%, other guys 50%? Your ether 100% with the other guys or 90% with Tolkki. The other options are not needed.... I would have gone 50/50 but is it there? no because its bias =/
:eyes: The point I am making is that in a Poll nobody HAS to vote. If none of the choices fit what a person feels/thinks, they will not vote. If you notice, actually, not many people have voted! :)
Just because a poll is not going the way you want it does not mean its not true. Sorry.

Actually I was wondering why the 50-50 option was left out because in my opinion thats how many fans feel. ??? But 70-30 either way is pretty close,too, I guess.
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by Paola » Mon May 12, 2008 5:58 pm

The truth is relative and in this moment no one in the band has it 'cause they're angry and their hearts have hatred. However, we'll know the truth in some days or months but we can't speak about this topic now, we only can watch what could be happen with stratovarius guys.
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Re: Breakup: Where is the truth?

Post by StratoHeart » Mon May 12, 2008 6:16 pm

NeonVomit wrote:
StratoHeart wrote: I just have in my mind that Stratovarius is dead since they took the that strange break right after Infinite.
Even though they came back with (in my opinion anyway) their strongest album after Episode and Visions in Elements pt.1? :confused:
I think so. I know a lot of people like Elements (especially those fnas who knew the band with these albuns), but to me it's completely heartless. Everything around Stratovarius was looking mechanical to me, even the music making - everybody was expecting fast, melodic and symphonic songs from them, but was they pleased to make it again? That's the question. I love Infinite and I consider it their last inspired album, even if some persons don't agree. I heard both Elements only once, and I don't feel like I want to hear them again.

But I respect your opinion, and I understand that people trusted them in Elements era. But I didn't. Breaking up was only a matter of time to me, sincerely.

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