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Re: new band name

Post by RazielSR » Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:36 am

Sometimes I think: "It's not fair to follow with the name without Tolkki."

Sometimes I think: "Fuck, they must continue with the name. If Tolkki doesn't want to continue, it's his problem."


Now I think: "I need a coffee."
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Re: new band name

Post by exe knight » Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:15 pm

Good thing, I hope the new name's cool and has some cosmetic similarities to the old name. :P

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Post by browneyedgirl » Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:31 pm

icecab21 wrote:thats whats fun about it, all the insults
Its time for the music to begin now, why should there be insults anymore? And, the victory will present itself in the music, and thats what counts. But, lets be truthful. Tolkki is thrilled shitless over this news, its what he has wanted all along. :D

LOL! It would be weird if Goatherd is right!
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Re: new band name

Post by Stratowarius » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:45 pm

8) I have called them Strato since we started to count the time."Stratovarius "is a bit long for me and Strato is a good shortening and keeps the resemblance with what they stand for. And mr Tolkki can't do a thing with that name even if he writes thousands of Staaatemeeeents and use all the lawyers he can find..But the giddering about it has given him a lot of attention hasn't it... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: new band name

Post by nefertari » Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:07 pm

Strato would be the perfect name for them ;)

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Post by Mysteriet » Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:43 pm

Everyone talks about Strato anyway, so that's quite good option. :)
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Re: new band name

Post by icecab21 » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:11 pm

"Would you guys just please stop this nonsense and move on. We all will be just fine and it might be hard for many of you to understand some things, but like I have said many times, things are never easy and simple when you go through a divorce..but after some time passes, you see that it really was the best road to everyone. I am sure that Timo, Jens, Jörg, Lauri and the new guitar player will make beautiful music and kick ass shows and I wish nothing but good things and all the best to them.
They gave me some of my best years and I am thankful for all those. Life goes on and music lives
forever. "


another hateful whiny statement filled with malice and resentment, oh when will it stop, when will there be peace for the little ones?

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Re: new band name

Post by Stratowarius » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:15 pm

Icecar. What is the matter NOW. Are you the little one? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: new band name

Post by icecab21 » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:16 pm

yes i am a dwarf thank you very much

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Re: new band name

Post by Stratowarius » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:19 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: Very funny. Wouldn't you instead be a giant. Hold on to the right team then. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: new band name

Post by hiro23 » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:48 pm

I'm not making my mind up until I hear from the band themselves, newspapers will always say what sounds controversial just so they can sell millions of copies.

As far as I'm concernced this matter still isn't resolved yet.
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Re: new band name

Post by browneyedgirl » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:10 am

A Segment of the Soundi Interview.

If any Finnish people want to post it, please feel free to do so. I know probably what I post may be prejudged as uncrediable, :roll: so please, jump in anytime. :)


The part they ( the reporter and TK ) talks about Tuomo Lassila.

Question: Have you been in any contact with the old members of Stratovarius?

TK: I have met Tuomo Lassila in some reherasal-places , and in fact I made a phone call to him after Midsummer ( June 22th).I had read from somewhere about the coming album with the old guys and TT, that should come out in Fall. But Tuomo told me that no one of his old band- mates has been in contact with him for years, including TT. TK tells , that he wanted to warn Tuomo not to get in any trouble, coz they( they 4 )have got some huge bills from some law firms lately.
TK: We talked some time and then told each others a nice Summer. I haven´t met Antti Ikonen for a long time.
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The interview was quite long.

@hiro23, that was an interview with TK himself, not an op-ed piece, or review. ;)
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Re: new band name

Post by icecab21 » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:49 am

it will be interesting to see how more versitile and progressive this will be than previus albums

tt will probaly just anounce that some changes took place and the album will now be done with non other than Joonas Puolakka and a third name.

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Post by browneyedgirl » Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:20 am

One more thing--in this interview TK was very gracious&kind to TT. He was thankful for being a part of Stratovarius, and grateful to TT for giving him a start all those years ago. Its very touching, seriously. TK is clearly a good man, in the real definition of the word.
After all, TK is the one who put Stratovarius on the map. But, we won't mention the obvious. There is a time to end, and a time to begin. So, Stratovarius, in name anyway, has ended and a new voice, a new song, will begin.
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Re: new band name

Post by icecab21 » Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:07 am

It seems they are all back to being thankful for the good times with each other and wish the others the best. ( they were there awhile ago it's just people keep going by what was said mounths ago).They are all great guys when in situations that work well for them and this move is for the best for everyone. They have all had their moments and then when the moment passes they are much better.
A lot of the bad has come from chemical imbalances and moments of madness and not full thought out reason.
Now its tt's song writing and the band performances that put this band on the map. :lol: kotipelto's band in itself is not on the map the way stratovarius is. Its much more of a team thing than that though. It’s about creating music that one is happy with and having chemistry in the band rather than being "put on the map". There is plenty of wonderful music not on any map. The singer has the hardest job in a band and I guess they take the most praise or criticism as well. That makes it easy for the songwriters, look at all the pop songwriters that write songs send them off to performers and just collect the royalties.

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Re: new band name

Post by browneyedgirl » Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:22 am

Good night, icecab21, don't worry about it. We all know who did what, who put Stratovarius on the map, and we all know this new band will rise like the Phoenix to shine brightly, and create a new era in music. We all know these guys talents and what they are capable of. TT needs alot of support now, which is what you should be doing instead of making your little snide, transparent inneundoes about the new band with JJ, TK, LP, JM&MK springing forth from Old Stratovarius.
At least these 5 guys won't be around to suffer when the next "chemical imbalance"&madness hits, right? ;)
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Re: new band name

Post by KilledByDETH » Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:12 am

i shall just wait for them to get back together :D :D (one day in the future i hope!!), i think it would have to be a different name for the band, cause its not really stratovarius unless the main members are all in strato.... Strato just seems half assed as a name... they should just think of a totallly new name, but thinking of a name is nearly impossible due to every word at least in the english dictionary is used as one and the thesaurus as well!!!! they will have to make up a totally new word to be even close to Original!! :) I think them as "guardians of "POWER METAL" is just so cliche and stratovarius is way more than that, timo barely started calling his music "power metal" recently. so.... i think its mainly due to the media that got him to call his music power metal... i dunno i think of the term power metal and i dont like any of those bands like blind guardian or avantasia or camelot or whatever.. lol i dunnoo im starting to babble on right now... :D

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Re: new band name

Post by icecab21 » Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:24 am

to wrote coldness when he was having tough times, tt is not the only one that has had some problems. tk has also said some stuff about the elements albums that is not so pretty in some interviews. These guys are all some of my favorite musicians and it's not a personal attack on them to think a band is about songwriting and performances. That’s just the way I think, they all contributed to great performances and they will all put together great songs. I sort of think its more pure when a band writes their own songs to make their name.

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Re: new band name

Post by RazielSR » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:44 am

Hey people, why don't you understand that ALL of the members of the Stratovarius classical line-up (TT, TK, JM, JJ, JK ) destroyed the band?

It was not Tolkki, it was not Timo, it was not Jens, it was not Jari, it was not Jörg. It was all the members, everyone made something to destroy the band.

And Stratovarius is in the map because of all of the members, that's all. Timo Tolkki is not in the map for making solo albums and Kotipelto is not on the map for his band. For me the only one was on the map before Stratovarius was Jens.

They were a team, obviously the singer is what you hear the most and maybe is the one who have more "power" in a band. But If I'd have known Kotipelto for his band, I'd say, well a great voice but that music sux. I can't say the same with Stratovarius pre-kotipelto.

The problem is ....what are we gonna have now?
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Re: new band name

Post by TIMO TOLKKI » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:14 am

browneyedgirl wrote:A Segment of the Soundi Interview.

If any Finnish people want to post it, please feel free to do so. I know probably what I post may be prejudged as uncrediable, :roll: so please, jump in anytime. :)


The part they ( the reporter and TK ) talks about Tuomo Lassila.

Question: Have you been in any contact with the old members of Stratovarius?

TK: I have met Tuomo Lassila in some reherasal-places , and in fact I made a phone call to him after Midsummer ( June 22th).I had read from somewhere about the coming album with the old guys and TT, that should come out in Fall. But Tuomo told me that no one of his old band- mates has been in contact with him for years, including TT. TK tells , that he wanted to warn Tuomo not to get in any trouble, coz they( they 4 )have got some huge bills from some law firms lately.
TK: We talked some time and then told each others a nice Summer. I haven´t met Antti Ikonen for a long time.
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The interview was quite long.

@hiro23, that was an interview with TK himself, not an op-ed piece, or review. ;)
Hi all,

I was banned from this forum, cant even read it from my home which has static ip that has been blocked.
I am now in Italy and created this account just to correct this wrong information. Tuomo Lassila cannot speak in public about anything about the Tolkki-Lassila-Ikonen record for reasons you might all understand. I do not want them to get into any trouble. That's all. Carry on! -Timo

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Re: new band name

Post by browneyedgirl » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:20 pm

TIMO TOLKKI wrote:
browneyedgirl wrote:A Segment of the Soundi Interview.

If any Finnish people want to post it, please feel free to do so. I know probably what I post may be prejudged as uncrediable, :roll: so please, jump in anytime. :)


The part they ( the reporter and TK ) talks about Tuomo Lassila.

Question: Have you been in any contact with the old members of Stratovarius?

TK: I have met Tuomo Lassila in some reherasal-places , and in fact I made a phone call to him after Midsummer ( June 22th).I had read from somewhere about the coming album with the old guys and TT, that should come out in Fall. But Tuomo told me that no one of his old band- mates has been in contact with him for years, including TT. TK tells , that he wanted to warn Tuomo not to get in any trouble, coz they( they 4 )have got some huge bills from some law firms lately.
TK: We talked some time and then told each others a nice Summer. I haven´t met Antti Ikonen for a long time.
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The interview was quite long.

@hiro23, that was an interview with TK himself, not an op-ed piece, or review. ;)
Hi all,

I was banned from this forum, cant even read it from my home which has static ip that has been blocked.
I am now in Italy and created this account just to correct this wrong information. Tuomo Lassila cannot speak in public about anything about the Tolkki-Lassila-Ikonen record for reasons you might all understand. I do not want them to get into any trouble. That's all. Carry on! -Timo
Bullshit! :lol:
You are really desperate! :lol:
Why would a person get into trouble discussing a possible project? After all, its not porn. Matter of fact, a project like this would be a great thing, except for the fact, its not happening! :lol:
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Re: new band name

Post by exe knight » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:22 pm

Wtf?

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Re: new band name

Post by TIMO TOLKKI » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:29 pm

browneyedgirl wrote:
TIMO TOLKKI wrote:
browneyedgirl wrote:A Segment of the Soundi Interview.

If any Finnish people want to post it, please feel free to do so. I know probably what I post may be prejudged as uncrediable, :roll: so please, jump in anytime. :)


The part they ( the reporter and TK ) talks about Tuomo Lassila.

Question: Have you been in any contact with the old members of Stratovarius?

TK: I have met Tuomo Lassila in some reherasal-places , and in fact I made a phone call to him after Midsummer ( June 22th).I had read from somewhere about the coming album with the old guys and TT, that should come out in Fall. But Tuomo told me that no one of his old band- mates has been in contact with him for years, including TT. TK tells , that he wanted to warn Tuomo not to get in any trouble, coz they( they 4 )have got some huge bills from some law firms lately.
TK: We talked some time and then told each others a nice Summer. I haven´t met Antti Ikonen for a long time.
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The interview was quite long.

@hiro23, that was an interview with TK himself, not an op-ed piece, or review. ;)
Hi all,

I was banned from this forum, cant even read it from my home which has static ip that has been blocked.
I am now in Italy and created this account just to correct this wrong information. Tuomo Lassila cannot speak in public about anything about the Tolkki-Lassila-Ikonen record for reasons you might all understand. I do not want them to get into any trouble. That's all. Carry on! -Timo
Bullshit! :lol:
You are really desperate! :lol:
Why would a person get into trouble discussing a possible project? After all, its not porn. Matter of fact, a project like this would be a great thing, except for the fact, its not happening! :lol:
Dont know which one you mean, the banning or the record? I was banned by Jens, cant even read it.

What comes to the record it is because of the legal issues involved. Quite common in music business these days. Once they talk about that in public it means they are involved in the record in a way I dont want them to be. I take the sole resposibility of this record. . There are ways to do this contractually. And this record will come out in the fall of 2009. I believe that there are some people who are interested in this record with this line up. I don't know if it contains porn because I have written just a few songs for it.

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Re: new band name

Post by browneyedgirl » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:36 pm

TIMO TOLKKI wrote:
browneyedgirl wrote:
TIMO TOLKKI wrote:
browneyedgirl wrote:A Segment of the Soundi Interview.

If any Finnish people want to post it, please feel free to do so. I know probably what I post may be prejudged as uncrediable, :roll: so please, jump in anytime. :)


The part they ( the reporter and TK ) talks about Tuomo Lassila.

Question: Have you been in any contact with the old members of Stratovarius?

TK: I have met Tuomo Lassila in some reherasal-places , and in fact I made a phone call to him after Midsummer ( June 22th).I had read from somewhere about the coming album with the old guys and TT, that should come out in Fall. But Tuomo told me that no one of his old band- mates has been in contact with him for years, including TT. TK tells , that he wanted to warn Tuomo not to get in any trouble, coz they( they 4 )have got some huge bills from some law firms lately.
TK: We talked some time and then told each others a nice Summer. I haven´t met Antti Ikonen for a long time.
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The interview was quite long.

@hiro23, that was an interview with TK himself, not an op-ed piece, or review. ;)
Hi all,

I was banned from this forum, cant even read it from my home which has static ip that has been blocked.
I am now in Italy and created this account just to correct this wrong information. Tuomo Lassila cannot speak in public about anything about the Tolkki-Lassila-Ikonen record for reasons you might all understand. I do not want them to get into any trouble. That's all. Carry on! -Timo
Bullshit! :lol:
You are really desperate! :lol:
Why would a person get into trouble discussing a possible project? After all, its not porn. Matter of fact, a project like this would be a great thing, except for the fact, its not happening! :lol:
Because of the legal issues involved. Once they talk about that in public it means they are involved in the record in a way I dont want them to be. I take the sole resposibility of this record. . There are ways to do this contractually. And this record will come out in the fall of 2009. I believe that there are some people who are interested in this record with this line up. I don't know if it contains porn because I have written just a few songs for it.
:lol: That was just a joke.
We will see, we will see. ;)
Once they talk about that in public it means they are involved in the record in a way I dont want them to be.
WTF? That does not make a goddamn bit of sense. ??? But, we shall see, we shall see.
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Re: new band name

Post by exe knight » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:38 pm

Please, make/order/whatever a cover art for the album, then I'm sure that everyone could accept it (after they have seen it).

Nah, but I could accept the fact if I'm actually talking to some troll somewhere. I just hope that TT doesn't tell too many lies, I just want Stratovarius to die with glory, not by illness...

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Post by browneyedgirl » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:28 pm

What just happened here? ??? Was that really TT? Whatever. He just disappeared! ???
exe knight wrote:Please, make/order/whatever a cover art for the album, then I'm sure that everyone could accept it (after they have seen it).
Absolutely. But, until then.........;)
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Re: new band name

Post by Stratowarius » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:56 pm

:lol: Im sure you are right BEG . :lol: Tolkki can't be that stupid. Can anyone believe that poor Lassila would be in legal trouble if he talked about some record in a distant future.A record that not even exist in the thoughts of anyone but mr Tolkki himself. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: But it was a funny joke and we will soon see what Icecar thinks :cry:

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TIMO TOLKKI wrote:I am now in Italy and created this account just to correct this wrong information. Tuomo Lassila cannot speak in public about anything about the Tolkki-Lassila-Ikonen record for reasons you might all understand. I do not want them to get into any trouble. That's all. Carry on! -Timo
Sigh..

Is carrying this discussion on really worth the expenditure in energy? :?

I am asking myself this question too, I have some idea to spend a few hours coding to link this forum into some sort of quasi-CMS type "Strato news" system, but will write something here anyway.
TIMO TOLKKI wrote:I believe that there are some people who are interested in this record with this line up.
On a philosophical tangent, I'm guessing Stratovarius' main creditor would be interested in any revenue stream, no matter how odd.

However, any future assignee to the rights of the name might have a huge problem with such a product.

As it stands at the moment the exclusive right to sell music bearing the name "Stratovarius" is still assigned to Sanctuary/Universal.

I saw some other discussion about "good faith" as a legal concept.. and that agreements without a quid pro quo, so to speak, in some jurisdictions may be unenforceable. This is the case in the US for instance for an agreement (which is usually between two parties, i.e. -- more than one person is signing it). The term in the US for the "quid pro quo" is that the agreement has to be made "in consideration of" something or other.

However, assignations made by just one person can of course be valid without any consideration, it's what in daily life is called a gift. And in either case Finnish contract law is apparently rather different from US contract law.

That TT's assignment could have been made in bad faith.. well, it's a sort of backwards argument that it would make no sense whatsoever for neither me, nor anyone in the band, nor TT, (nor any random person on a message board), to raise. It's possible that a third party (let's say one of TT's personal creditors) could raise that claim, to us. I assume we would then politely point out, as I have before here, that Stratovarius still is heavily in debt, and that "Tolkki's share of Stratovarius income" still is very much a negative number ....

I'll try to avoid commenting more on this because, since the last few months I'm quite weary of making legal arguments and even thinking about legal concepts. Since the situation is 100% clear to me, it's been quite a relief not thinking about anything related to all this bullshit for a few months now. To me, there is no legal matter left to argue about or to discuss regarding Stratovarius.

You guys are of course free to discuss anything you want, I'm just saying I might not jump in if it's all quasi-legalese guesses motivated by some misguided stone age tribal allegiance thinking! :lol: Let's all just be happy and make music ... leave the money to the lawyers, they get all of it in the end anyway ... :lol:

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Re: new band name

Post by Stratowarius » Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:16 pm

:lol: Not a joke then. God heavens Lord :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: new band name

Post by eagledreamr » Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:59 pm

Leave the fans away from the legal shit, all we want is the music...
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