Stratovarius: 'Keep Fighting In The Face Of Disaster'

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Stratovarius: 'Keep Fighting In The Face Of Disaster'

Post by emperor_black » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:31 am

On 6th May at 14:30 GMT, Hit The Lights' Robert Gray telephoned keyboardist Jens Johansson to discuss "Polaris", and the departure of longtime guitarist Timo Tolkki. That week, Stratovarius were undergoing a week of rehearsals in Germany for a British trek, and so Hit The Lights had to telephone. Roughly two calls were missed, but a call was made back to Wales, the caller passing the phone to Johansson.

Jens Johansson: Hello?

UG: Hello. How are you Jens?

I'm well. How are you?

I'm ok. Would it be alright if I began the interview?

Yes, of course.

Could you provide an introduction to 'Polaris'?

Yes. How can I explain 'Polaris'? Compared to previous Stratovarius albums, several different songwriters feature upon 'Polaris'. The album is more varied, I would say.

So you'd describe 'Polaris' as being a more collaborative album?

Yes, you could say.

Is 'Polaris' a fresh beginning for Stratovarius?

Yes. Without a doubt. We began recording 'Polaris' in September, and took our time to make the album right, and to find the right label for Stratovarius and so on. Everything worked out quite nicely.

In light of what has happened during recent times for Stratovarius, how would you describe the importance of 'Polaris'?

Of course, 'Polaris' is as important as every other album Stratovarius has written. I don't know. I just like the album (laughs). It's very difficult to say whether 'Polaris' is extremely important.

I thought 'Polaris' might hold additional importance, especially due to Stratovarius' financial troubles with Sanctuary Records, and Timo Tolkki's departure from the group.

Yeah. Of course, 'Polaris' turned out to be important in all of those contexts. When we set out to make the album though, we actually didn't even know what group name we would use, or what the album would sound like.

So Stratovarius considered changing its name?

Yes, at that time. That was roughly a year ago.

"If you write the song, then you're the master of that song."
Why did the group opt to retain the name Stratovarius?

We began writing without any pre-conceived notions, and still weren't completely sure of what to do. We then began to record drums, and once we did that, we began placing parts around the drums. It became clear that the material sounded pretty much like Stratovarius, mainly since we kept our drummer and singer. (Timo) Kotipelto and Jörg (Michael) both give the group a very personal style, I think. The rest is somewhat easier to replace in terms of sound, but at that point anyway, 'Polaris'' tracks sounded very much like Stratovarius. If you've heard 'Polaris', you'll likely agree.

Yeah, I definitely agree. Considering you've been a Stratovarius member for nearly fifteen years, was it important to you to that the group kept its name?

That wasn't our primary concern - the music was, we thought. We wrote 'Polaris'' music initially, and then discovered what that music sounded like. The album's music could've eventually sounded like something else. I didn't really know (laughs). In a way, we just tried things out to see what happened, though once we began writing 'Polaris' and so on, it was clear that the material resembled Stratovarius. So, why the hell not call ourselves Stratovarius? So we did, completed 'Polaris', and signed a record deal. Everything was primarily based upon the music, with the rest of the details being worked out later, which I think was nice.

Could you talk me through what occurred between Stratovarius and Sanctuary Records? It seems as though there are conflicting sides to this, so I would just like clarification on what transpired.

That's a long story. Sanctuary Records arranged a fucking huge loan with a London bank, though somehow, the conditions made in terms of interest and payments for the loan affected the label's stock price since they were a publicly traded company. Sanctuary's situation was some form of evil circle, I think. When Sanctuary's stock prices dropped, the bank came forward to have their money back since they wanted the loan's interest to be higher. The situation just spiraled completely out of control, and Sanctuary lost everything. The label became totally bankrupt, and its stock prices tumbled down to almost zero. At that time of course, they weren't able to operate anymore as a label. Sanctuary couldn't pay their employees, and couldn't press CDs. The label couldn't do anything. We were still bound by contract to Sanctuary, and we wanted to get out of that contract. They didn't even have the time to open legal mail, and things like this. For us, it was a very complicated situation.

How did Timo Tolkki come to leave Stratovarius? What actually happened?

We later joined Universal, since the bankrupt Sanctuary got bought by Universal. We wanted to free ourselves of the contract. Basically, Tolkki was broke, and had to do something really strange. He left us guys; he left the group, and left us holding the debt. To cut a long story short, he left us holding that debt, and saddled with a record deal which we tried to be freed from. His attitude was "I'm broke now, and I can't... I have to live and so on". He actually formed a new group called Revolution Renaissance, which I think has issued two albums (2008's 'New Era' and 2009's 'Age of Aquarius') thus far. Like I said, we didn't really know what to do. We wrote some tracks though, and recorded them. The songs resembled Stratovarius, and so then we opted to still call ourselves Stratovarius. At the same time, we resolved some of these problems with Universal, given the fact they bought Sanctuary. It's all this slightly complex legal bullshit which happens sometimes in the music industry, sadly. What can you do though? I'm really glad we made it.

Is Stratovarius still in financial turmoil?

Not anymore, no. We are still paying the other lawyer which handled this settlement issue with Universal. We did owe him a little, though we can clear that within a couple of weeks. I don't know how we would've figured it out, but we would've figured it out somehow. There were some other issues. Of course, everything was somewhat in a shambles. Over the past year, we had to dedicate a bunch of time towards tackling that, discussing what happened and how to deal with it. Mainly, we're musicians, and making some type of album was one of the first things we decided to do. We just didn't know what the album would sound like, and what the songs would sound like. We went to a cottage in Timo's home village, which has a cottage you can rent. The village has a quiet life. We rented that cottage for a week, and just jammed, writing songs. It was very interesting.

In May 2008, Stratovarius issued a statement which refuted what Timo Tolkki had said in a previous statement. In that statement, Stratovarius said that Timo Tolkki was motivated by greed. Do you still stand by statement?

Yes, I do. When we posted that statement, I think he was very upset. He has somewhat come to terms with that too, I feel. No matter how you twist and turn it, if you're a group of people and make a pact somehow, and one guy grabs all the money that's on the table and then just runs, then you have to say it's greed (laughs). Unfortunately, greed is a very strong word, but what he did was selfish. It was certainly the mildest statement we could've posted at the time, as everyone was very, very upset. We lost roughly €250, 000, and that is very costly. Everyone was really pissed off at the time, though you just have to count it as water under the bridge, and try to move on.

So that more or less severed your friendship with Timo Tolkki?

I actually forgave Tolkki a couple of months afterwards, I think. He was very angry that we called him greedy though, as I don't think he felt that way. Tolkki figured that he was the victim of circumstance, and had to move on, and had to do what he had to do. Of course, he viewed the situation differently. Tolkki eventually told us what he did, as he signed a contract (with Frontiers Records to issue 2008 Revolution Renaissance album 'New Era') which ruined any plans we had of settling with Sanctuary, and we were actually very close to a settlement. He signed a contract with Frontiers Records, and was given a bunch of money, though he didn't tell us (laughs). Have you seen the statement that he released?

Yeah, I have. I didn't know what to make of that statement.

He posted a statement in April, though I think he's taken them all down now as he's a little bit ashamed.

That's why I asked for clarification, since the situation seems a little confusing to the public.

It's a really, really long story. We actually made a final statement regarding the situation in May 2008, and that's it. In my view, that statement sums up exactly what happened. Me and Tolkki very much disagreed, though a couple of months ago, he emailed me out of the blue and said "Dude, I'm sorry". We went out and had some curry. He feels slightly bad about the situation I think (laughs), but you have to laugh. If you take these things too seriously, you'll just stay upset.

Let's talk about a more positive subject. How did Matias Kupiainen come to join Stratovarius?

Lauri (Porra), our bassist, actually bumped into him in a club I think, where he had conducted some guitar clinic. We discussed what we should do, as we obviously needed to recruit a guitarist. I listened to some videos he had uploaded to Youtube, and was like "Holy fuck. This is really good". He was a really good musician, so we talked a little. Matias seemed to be a nice guy, and then like I said, we went to a cottage to write some songs. Everyone got along pretty nice, so we just decided what we would call the group following that. It wasn't clear that 'Polaris' would be issued under the name Stratovarius. Eventually, the songs possibly turned out to be more progressive, as a lot of the songs that we stopped working on were the more progressive ones.

Will Stratovarius possibly work upon these more progressive songs for future releases?

Could be, yeah. We discussed this yesterday. Some of those songs were really good, I thought. Of course, I'm a little bit of a freak, and like all the weirder material. I'm a big Meshuggah fan. In writing Stratovarius' next album, everyone will know each other better. Like I said, we won't be recording an album under siege. Last time obviously, Tolkki peppered us with statements. He threatened to sue us and so on, until he kind of apologized last month - Tolkki was very hostile towards us. It wasn't completely easy all the time, though I think in writing for our next album, we'll have a clear view of who's in the group. Everyone knows each other better, and Stratovarius also has record company deals, something which we didn't have in recording 'Polaris' of our own accord. Our next album will be very interesting, I think.

How did Stratovarius come to sign a record deal with edel entertainment's earMusic?

We have a manager who shopped demos. We recorded the drums in September, and recorded the rest of the material around rough versions. She called everyone she knew, and shopped the group old school.

"We wrote 'Polaris'' music initially, and then discovered what that music sounded like."
How would you describe recording 2005's 'Stratovarius'? It seems to be a controversial album, with some going so far as to say the record isn't really a Stratovarius album.

(Laughs) I think it was. 'Stratovarius' has quite a few good songs, I think. There's a story behind how that album came into being, and why the album sounds like it does. We had just signed with Sanctuary, and at that point, they were flush with money. We received a lot of money for 'Stratovarius', and Tolkki was the group leader before that point. He thought he would create all this media exposure around that album, and had a nervous breakdown since he couldn't really handle all the bad feelings that he whipped up himself a lot.

He decided that he would tell everyone that Stratovarius had hired a female vocalist, and so he planned all this fake hype. Eventually, it bit him in the ass somewhat as in the midst of all this, he discovered that he suffers from bipolar disorder, which he has suffered from all his life. Tolkki suffered from this manic couple of months, all while he was carrying around all this Sanctuary money like a pig in shit. A lot of what goes up must come down. We then didn't hear anything from him for roughly six to seven months, but we somewhat managed to piece everything together. We recorded 'Stratovarius' with the whole group, and not a female vocalist. I still think the album's songs are good, but when 'Stratovarius' was released in 2005, there were problems again since that's exactly when the Sanctuary label started having financial problems. It was very bad luck. We signed a pretty good deal with a really good, major label, but suffered a bunch of bad luck. 'Stratovarius' is still a good album, I think.

Nowadays though, the mood within Stratovarius is much better?

The mood within Stratovarius in 2004 was quite mixed, I would say (laughs).

Though now the mood is much better in 2009?

Yeah, of course. The mood within Stratovarius is quite good nowadays. We have a common goal, and everyone knows what we want to do.

How would you describe Stratovarius' time recording songs for 'Polaris'?

To me, that's one of the better ways to record. Me and Jörg slept in the same house, which was a small house. It had a big living room type of thing, so there weren't any distractions really. If you record in a normal studio in the city, and you always feel like going down to the bar and so on. We had a fridge with beer, but it's not quite the same thing. Nothing pulls you away from the process. To be able to roll out of bed, and then begin recording without being distracted by other things is quite nice. The house had everything, such as a kitchen and a shower. It was a very beautiful place right in the middle of the forest.

Did having new songwriters to contribute to 'Polaris' in the form of Matias Kupiainen and Lauri Porra help?

In the past, Timo Tolkki wrote roughly ninety percent of the material. When he left, there was a songwriting vacuum somewhat. I was very curious to hear what everyone would come up with, and was very happy. That was one of the reasons why I was interested in travelling to Finland during May, or whenever I initially went over. Four people contributed material towards 'Polaris', whereas only one person used to contribute. As a result of that, you obviously attain more diversity, and some of the album's directions are quite interesting I think. I like Matias' material, as like I said, he's slightly more into progressive music too as I am. I wrote some material too, but the material I contributed to 'Polaris' was perhaps slightly more singular than the other songs.

Would you like to write with Matias in future? The songs you wrote for 'Polaris' you wrote alone.

That's usually how I write, though I'm usually quite picky about a lot of aspects, such as general structure and things of that nature. I'm slightly wary, but that'd be great. Let's see. It's possible I think, now that we've cleared the hurdle of what the group will be called, and what's the framework for what we intend to do. We already talked about Stratovarius' next record yesterday, since everyone has written a batch of material. There's way too much material to use, which amounts to roughly thirty songs or something similar. Matias said "I only have two songs, but one of them is thirty minutes long", so I said "Ok. Sounds good already" (laughs). I don't know what will happen, but it certainly sounds interesting.

Could you see Stratovarius recording 'Polaris'' follow up quite soon then?

Yeah, I think so.

Would you say that 'Polaris'' successor will venture in a more progressive direction?

It's difficult to say. I actually don't know, really. I'm judging by what the other guys have said. If everyone else writes a batch of really freaky, progressive material, I'll possibly try to keep my material singular. We have a good method I feel, and we'll use that same method to make our next album, which worked in making 'Polaris'. It's a crazy democracy. That isn't to say that everyone gets things right, though we decide upon which songs we like the most. The person writing the song is then considered responsible for his own song though, so we don't start arguing "Oh, it should be B instead of A". If you write the song, then you're the master of that song. It makes the process much easier.

How would you describe the material you're personally working upon at present?

The material I'm working upon at present is only slightly more progressive than the material I wrote for 'Polaris', but again, I might also toss those ideas, and try to think of completely new ideas. Some of these files have been around for quite a few years now, and I'm getting sick of listening to them. I might just attempt to write some new songs. Obviously, we won't need forty songs, so I could write four to six good ones which I really like. I'll just have to take the time to sit down, and figure it out.

So Stratovarius wouldn't consider issuing a double-album, should there be a surplus of material?

I don't know. I think record labels usually dislike issuing double-albums, but I would love to (laughs). That'd be perfect, I think.

What can you reveal regarding 'Polaris'' album title?

It's just one of those things. Since we're all from the far north of Europe, except the drummer, it's a cool sounding word in some respects. The title has no deeper meaning than that. Gyula Havancsák designed this quite nice cover which, to me, is spooky in terms of how everything was tied together philosophically. In the end, the title was just this somewhat cool sounding word for a star which people have used through the ages to guide their boat. You find your way home by following the star, which doesn't move so much.

"Our next album will be very interesting, I think."
Would you say 'Polaris'' title is a personal one for Stratovarius?

Yeah, in some respects. Also, the title fits together with past album titles we've used - they're usually short, and span one word. I liked 'Polaris'' title, which was Lauri's idea.

Could you touch upon the song "King of Nothing"?

Yeah. "King of Nothing" was inspired by this Swedish guy who wrote a historical book about the Middle Ages, or slightly later than the Middle Ages, which would be the sixteen to seventeen hundreds. Constant warfare occurred in central Europe at the time. "King of Nothing" is nothing more than that, and is another one of those stupid anti-war songs.

How did "King of Nothing" musically come to fruition?

If I remember correctly, the basic idea surfaced during a sound check in Rio de Janeiro. That had nothing to do with its eventual lyrical content, or anything like that. I had a note and a counter melody, and nothing more. I recorded it as a file many, many years ago, losing the file and then finding it. Right before I wrote this tune, I searched my old computer for ideas, thinking "Maybe I can use this". I changed the tune around a lot, but the original idea surfaced during a sound check in Rio de Janeiro.

Also, could you touch upon the song "Blind"?

It's just extremely difficult to explain, so it's likely better if people come to their own conclusions. If I explain "Blind" too much, people might not be open to alternative interpretations. There's several different ways of interpreting "Blind"'s lyrics.

Generally speaking, do you like lyrics to be vague so that listeners come to their own interpretations?

Yeah, normally. "King of Nothing" is a pretty specific song, and there isn't really any other way of thinking about the song. I used to love Ronnie James Dio's lyrics, since they were vague enough so that they could mean a lot of things. Somehow, you utilize the listeners' brain.

The third track you wrote for 'Polaris' was "Winter Skies", so could you also touch upon that track?

Musically, "Winter Skies" came to fruition last year. The song's lyrics are just about being homesick, as when you travel, you miss home and so on very often. "Winter Skies" could mean many other things too. It's difficult to say. In the winter skies, there's this Pole Star - Polaris, the good old Northern Star.

I'd like to quickly clarify a rumour. Obviously, 'Polaris' has been reviewed by various journalists, and some have mentioned the possibility that certain lyrics upon the album are critical of Timo Tolkki. Is there any truth to this?

Not in my case, no. I actually consciously avoided that. I knew that something would come up. I really think it's stupid when people do that, and write "You asshole". In my case, definitely not. The Deluge of Poland is likely what "King of Nothing" is most closely related to, something I read about in a book by this Swedish historical author. Poland had this huge empire which just fell apart, and nobody quite understands what happened. People started attacking them, and then decimated their empire. They fought back, and eventually, there was nothing much except little countries left in the rubble (laughs). As usual, the people who pay are usually the soldiers who are being ordered about. "King of Nothing" is nothing to do with Tolkki, but that's the song where everyone said "It must be about Tolkki".

Do you have a message for the fans of Stratovarius?

Don't lose faith (laughs). Keep up hope, as you can always fix things. If things seem to be fucked up beyond belief, you can always turn things around with a little work. That's the only thing I'd like to say really. In some respects, that's what 'Polaris' is all about. You keep fighting in the face of disaster, and something good comes out of it.

Ok. Thank you very much for the interview Jens.

Ok. Thank you.

Bye.

Bye.


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Re: Stratovarius: 'Keep Fighting In The Face Of Disaster'

Post by icecab21 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:57 am

Matias said "I only have two songs, but one of them is thirty minutes long"
now that sounds interesting.
Obviously, we won't need forty songs,
Well I for sure would not complain about 40 songs being used.
I don't know. I think record labels usually dislike issuing double-albums, but I would love to (laughs). That'd be perfect, I think.
a double would be welcome, any music is welcome.

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Post by RazielSR » Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:31 am

Yes, it is very interesting the part about the new album... I think that is the way they should follow making music, with that "new" ideas mixed with the old ones.
And that 13 minutes song by Matias!! WOW! We really need an epic one like that.

Then we have some interesting things in the interview too regarding recording process and some thoughts about the songs. That's really nice to hear.
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Post by Ragehead91 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:34 am

RazielSR wrote: And that 13 minutes song by Matias!! WOW! We really need an epic one like that..
He said thirty not thirteen.

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Post by RazielSR » Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:36 am

:lol: :lol: That's true :shock:

But :shock:

then we'll have 3 or 4 songs in the album :lol:
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Post by Beast_Pete » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:29 am

That's why we need a double CD release. :lol:
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Post by lalodrums2 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:29 am

Cool interview!

Thanks a lot,

I hope they don't change direction and become a progressive band, they are great as they are now 4/4. I really love this album polaris, it's amazing.

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Post by RazielSR » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:40 am

No, that doesnt mean that they are gonna be a progressive band. They are making some more prog music because of the experimentation, Matias, Lauri and having more Jensokeyboard. And it's cool. You can listen some prog style in Deep Unkown keeping the Strato style (its mi opinion) but that is not for example DT...you know they are evolving into someghing really interesting in some songs and keeping the melodic powe metal Stratovarius always had. I'm still finding a lot of similitudes with this new Stratovarius and some Symphony X songs directions.

If you listen Stratovarius discography, they had some prog elements too in some of the albums (anyway TT maybe is not gonna think the same, but that's how I see it).
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Post by lalodrums2 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:34 pm

RazielSR wrote:No, that doesnt mean that they are gonna be a progressive band. They are making some more prog music because of the experimentation, Matias, Lauri and having more Jensokeyboard. And it's cool. You can listen some prog style in Deep Unkown keeping the Strato style (its mi opinion) but that is not for example DT...you know they are evolving into someghing really interesting in some songs and keeping the melodic powe metal Stratovarius always had. I'm still finding a lot of similitudes with this new Stratovarius and some Symphony X songs directions.

If you listen Stratovarius discography, they had some prog elements too in some of the albums (anyway TT maybe is not gonna think the same, but that's how I see it).
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean, and that's how I like it, with just a few progressive elements, as you say, not like Dream Theater. That's cool enough I think.

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Post by browneyedgirl » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:30 pm

This is a good interview.

The next album is being planned already? ??? WOW! That great!

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Post by Burning Reflection » Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:40 pm

That was a cool interview. Sounds like money, legal bullshit and personal choices were amongst all the problems surrounding the band. I'm glad that all members of Stratovarius past and present have decided to continue to make music. No matter how fucked up life gets, things eventually falls back into place right? Thanks for keeping the faith Jens!

I'm stoked that Jens reps Meshuggah! Maybe it's some Swedish nationalist thing? :lol:

I'm a huge Meshuggah fan myself; they're one of my vices when I turn away melodic metal :twisted:

It'd be crazy to hear some polyrhythmic stuff involving Jorg, Jens etc. Either way, good luck in writing even more kick ass metal!

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Post by hiro23 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:50 pm

I like the interview and that it was done nicely, however if you check RR forum TT disagrees and believes that Jens is blaming him for the whole thing.

I won't touch that and hopefully it's another thing that I hope gets worked out soon.
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Post by eternity_strato » Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:25 am

Very good interview.

I'd love a 30-minute song in a Stratovarius album.

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Post by JensJohansson » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:22 am

hiro23 wrote:I like the interview and that it was done nicely, however if you check RR forum TT disagrees and believes that Jens is blaming him for the whole thing.

I won't touch that and hopefully it's another thing that I hope gets worked out soon.
I read that and I don't mind touching it, but I don't think the 2004 stuff is something that anyone benefits much from focussing much attention on. And definitely not TT. It's so far in the past anyway.

For the record (again) and in case the shorthand of this quoted interview was unclear, I was aware of and complicit in the 2004 crap. To say I was responsible for it would be quite a bit too much. It was not my "brainchild", nor was it anyone else's brainchild than TT's.

If I said that it was me or Jari or TK or Jörg drafting long documents detailing time plans while dreaming of achieving incredible sales goals from this, that would be a 100% lie.

The simple truth is that TT thought of the stunt and all the details of its implementation, and I was also actively involved in brainstorming (over email from across the atlantic). Most of my initial ideas were so outrageous that they were rejected. That should tell you something. :lol:

The rest of the guys were if anything guilty by acquiescence or inaction. It was a really confusing time, we trusted TT and he convinced and intimidated the other guys to play along or to just shut up.

After TT's breakdown we were all guilty of perpetrating a cover-up. I don't think that's a bad thing in and of itself. A large part of it was to protect TT's reputation, because he was so clearly the mastermind of the whole thing. If a good friend shows up at my doorstep with a corpse, I go look for a shovel, I don't call the police. (But in this case myself I was more complicit than that analogy would indicate. On the other hand nobody got killed.)

Most of all I am hoping people can just forget about the whole thing. But sometimes the question does come up.

Offering the press more of disingenuous "cover up", after TT this fall proffered a version of the story where everyone somehow is equally complicit, doesn't strike me as the right thing to do either.

If TT hadn't tried to gain attention (and perhaps clear his conscience and name) by publishing what he did in November, I am quite sure that nobody would give a crap at this point in time. It would have been much better for him if he hadn't done that. But he did. So if anyone asks, I just tell it roughly as I saw it. That people don't agree or don't understand or even condemn it, I fully understand. That's how life is.

Anyway, I hope the main point of the interview is more clear: I really don't give a fuck about all that stuff in the past, and if you can't laugh about a wasted quarter of a million euro, hey, fuck me, then you have a problem, because it's quite a lot of money. It's much healthier to laugh about it than to have a stroke..

I still remember one of the funniest moments of my life, when Yngwie's manager Andy Trueman at the time had some sort of gradual epiphany (this was the mid-80s). Andy was ostensibly responsible for all the money stuff, and Yngwie had wasted a large amount of money on something really stupid, whatever it was .. I think he smashed up a rental car or a house or something. The explanation Y gave had been "but Andy.... it's only money??"

Andy's reaction was to quote this phrase for many years afterwards.

The first couple of times he was foaming at the mouth with anger. "Do you know what that little Swedish guitar prick told me!? It's only money!!! It's only money!!? It's only money!??!? What the fuck!?!" :lol: But eventually over the years I think Andy appreciated the humor of that a bit better.

At the moment I cannot really recall the amount, or what it was for, or what year it was, I just remember Andy's rant about Y's lackadaisical attitude to money. But I do remember having quite a lot of fun and that we made some great records. So indeed, it was actually only money.

Andy sadly is dead now, peace be over his memory. One funny motherfucker, too. And probably the most naturally talented sales man I have ever met in my life. He wouldn't just sell freezers to Eskimoes. He'd throw in a few seal furs and of course a truck load of ice cube trays as well, and still get three times the amount of money he would get for the freezers in Saudi Arabia. Then he would really sweeten the deal and sell the Eskimoes also concession rights to import 500 tons of sand for a bargain...

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Post by lalodrums2 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:34 am

Thanks a lot for your honesty Jens.

Your point of view looks very convincible to me.

I'm sure we'll forget about the past and look ahead for the new Stratovarius which I think It's better than ever!

Cheers !! :beer:
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Post by icecab21 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:55 am

The rest of the interview is great, I just don't like that they always ask so many questions about the worst time of tolkki and the band and ignore the good times of tolkki and the band. What happens if you guys just say you won't answer that kind of question?

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Post by hiro23 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:33 am

Thank you Jens, you've been very patient through this whole thing.
I'm not trying to stir up any drama either, I like many other fans am just trying to figure out what the hell is going on, thank you so much for answering our questions.
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Post by TimoTolkki » Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:04 am

Anyway, I hope the main point of the interview is more clear: I really don't give a fuck about all that stuff in the past, and if you can't laugh about a wasted quarter of a million euro, hey, fuck me, then you have a problem, because it's quite a lot of money. It's much healthier to laugh about it than to have a stroke..
I do care about the past because certain people do not take the responsibility and I "cunned" them to the stunt. No responisibility whatsoever, it's all my fault. Do watch my interview from RR homepage and see the whole story and think yourself if what Jens is writing would really be possible for one man to do alone:) And Jens, don't forget that there were other people involved as well. For example the person in Sanctuary that you sent the "stabbing pictures" from Spain and who forwarded them to the press. She was very enthusiastic about the whole stunt.
Fact is, the truth must be told about this in depth and people can then decide if it is important or not.
I don't give a fuck about quarter of million dollars though, although 1/5th would have been mine. I think it's something they have to pay for the "Stratovarius Franchise" and I think that it is even too cheap.

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Post by lalodrums2 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:21 pm

I just pray to God that this is not another stunt and we will keep this lineup of stratovarius for a long time.

I hope they will never have a reunion with TT. Matias fits perfect and I would love to see him with stratovarius for a very long time.

And with TT I wish him the best with RR as well. But I really would be very disappointed if they make a reunion with TT someday, because then I would think that all of this is a stunt thing again.

Cheers to JJ and TT :beer:
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Post by Hubble86 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:14 pm

:oops: I think TT is plugging for his book and tries to keep us interested in that old story. It all happened before my time here and I don't think it sounds especially funny or thrilling. I will not buy the book!! The water has run under that bridge long time ago and it will only be TT's vision. And that we now heard SO many times that we almost choke on it. I for one don't care at all. :roll: :roll:

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Post by icecab21 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:51 pm

this is definitely not something to plug a book on. he said it would just be one tiny piece and the majority of the book would be a completely different animal. one bad chapter of life and a book does not ruin a whole life or a whole book.

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Post by Burning Reflection » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:12 pm

TimoTolkki wrote:
Anyway, I hope the main point of the interview is more clear: I really don't give a fuck about all that stuff in the past, and if you can't laugh about a wasted quarter of a million euro, hey, fuck me, then you have a problem, because it's quite a lot of money. It's much healthier to laugh about it than to have a stroke..

I don't give a fuck about quarter of million dollars though, although 1/5th would have been mine. I think it's something they have to pay for the "Stratovarius Franchise" and I think that it is even too cheap.
Agreed, no amount could suffice for the stratovarius legacy, but during the stunt they weren't exactly buying the franchise, they never agreed to pay that amount or tried to buy the name, this is an opinion based after the fact right? Not trying to bash anyone just trying to be objective here.

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Post by Polaris » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:41 pm

lalodrums2 wrote:I just pray to God that this is not another stunt and we will keep this lineup of stratovarius for a long time.
Me too :roll:

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Post by icecab21 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:43 pm

it's all a stunt.

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Post by mayhem-for-all » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:23 pm

icecab21 wrote:it's all a stunt.

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No the stunt is TKs Drum solo :D

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Post by rakettitulppa » Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:45 pm

I remember that Jens said in one interview that Tolkkis return is not impossible, if he start to like power metal again, but what happens to matias then?

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Post by icecab21 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:59 pm

It would be a while in the least, I would love to see them all together.for me it would be great to have them all contributing and making music together.

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Post by Star_Ocean » Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:08 pm

icecab21 wrote:It would be a while in the least, I would love to see them all together.for me it would be great to have Timo contribute and make all the music himself.
Fixed.

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Post by Beast_Pete » Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:23 pm

TimoTolkki wrote:Fact is, the truth must be told about this in depth and people can then decide if it is important or not.
It isn't. "Live for today and think about tomorrow."
TimoTolkki wrote:I don't give a fuck about quarter of million dollars though, although 1/5th would have been mine. I think it's something they have to pay for the "Stratovarius Franchise" and I think that it is even too cheap.
You made them pay the debt, so you really don't have the right to say "they have to pay for StratoFranchise". You decided to leave sanctuary earlier, it was your choice and not theirs. I do think they deserve the "StratoFranchise" at the very least.
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Post by TimoTolkki » Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:58 pm

You made them pay the debt
The s e t t l e m e n t, which miraculously has been growing from 130 000 euros to "quarter of a million euros" was also my money. The actual debt was/is only around 30 000 euros and consists of legal fees. And it is your opinion that it is my fault. That is okay with me.
It is said by Jens & co that Universal doesn't utilize the back catalogue of Stratovarius. This is not true. They receive royalties also for example from Japan and Far East and Nuclear Blast albums. I am sure they receive royalties also from the other albums. All the albums, even where these guys are not playing in, are available in iTunes. They are receiving all the royalties from those.
As I have repeatedly said, I have asked many times to pay my share of the 30 000€ legal fees, but I haven't been given chance to do that.
So you can think what you want, have your (quite biased opinion in the light of the actual facts) opinion, if that makes you happy.
so you really don't have the right to say "they have to pay for StratoFranchise".
Well I am saying that.
You decided to leave sanctuary earlier, it was your choice and not theirs. I do think they deserve the "StratoFranchise" at the very least
I don't think they deserve it but at least this way they have to pay for it.

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