Better Guitarist

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Who's the better guitarist?

Timo Tolkki
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Matias Kupiainen
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Better Guitarist

Post by guitarmaster » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:39 pm

Who's better?
Timo Tolkki Forever!

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by hiro23 » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:51 pm

I like them both for different reasons
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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by scorp » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:02 pm

I just couldn't vote. Mattias is a "newbie" compared with TT. I don't mean about his abilities but about his guitar sound in my ears. It's too fresh to be able to compare, don't you think so? :?

Like trying to compare Vettel with Schumacher this year when Vettel actually begins his career to the top...
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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Irinia » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:08 pm

I agree with Scorp.
I love TT as a guitarist, his solos is just fantastic.
Matias is so new and probably isn't as experienced as TT.
I think it's too early for me to say. I am however excited to see what more Matias has to offer in the future :)

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by guitarmaster » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:30 pm

Yeah thats true, Scorp. But I just think TT is better, or rather i like his playing style more. Not to say Matias isn't good. He's great. He has a fresh playing style. But he probably not as experienced as Tolkki.
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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by NeverendingAbyss » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:46 pm

TT for now. I have yet to listen Matias in a more thorough guitar-based album.
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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Irinia » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:49 pm

Yeah, I missed guitar solos on Polaris. That is what I really liked with much of TTs music. His solos are just awesome.
I kinda have a thing for guitar solos :oops:
I think Matias is able to do great stuff too, he just need to show it ;)

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by guitarmaster » Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:00 pm

That's true. Most of Polaris was synthesizer.
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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Keyssion » Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:04 pm

I think that Matias is technically better than Timo. I still mostly like Timo's solos better :) Especially the very emotional ones!

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Inventariado » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:52 am

I can't compare them. I find it meaningless and even painful for a truly Stratovarius lover.
Matias is a very talented guitar player. Timo Tolkki uses music (guitar) to express his soul. They both have skills, technique and own style. Really difficult poll for me.
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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Avatar Thief » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:02 am

I can't come up with a good conclusion. It's not fair to "prefer" just yet! :?

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by palarmux » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:27 am

Of course Timo is better, he is "old" quitarist and have more experience. But Matias is really cool quitarist thought he is so young. I really think Matias will be really skilled as Timo Tolkki when he little gets experience :)

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Ragehead91 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:14 am

What kind of bullshit is this topic? You can't compare those 2 guys! 1 is a pro who has been playing since the 80s and the other one is a real youngster who has been active for only a few years. Give Matias a few years to build up a reputation other then "the guy who replaces Timo Tolkki" and then we can talk.

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by RazielSR » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:46 am

This topic is ridiculous, sorry. I'm not trying to offend guitarmaster, but...


...c'mon we are comparing a living legend called Timo Tolkki with a newbie guy trying to do his best and that maybe someday is gonna be as good as Timo.

The first impressions I have with Matias are that is a prog guy, he prefers thecnicity vs. melody. But maybe that is not true and in the next album we'll see a lot more guitars by MK and we'll see that he is as good as Timo making melodic solos or compositions.

Anyway, for me TT is the best guitarrist if we talk about compositions, melody and feeling in a song. The best with difference.


EDIT: Now that I see it, maybe the only way to compare Matias and Timo is gettig the Twilight Time and Dreamspace guitars vs Polaris guitars. Because Timo was not very experienced in that era.

I have to say that in that case I prefer TT too. But now that I see it again, this comparison is not very useful either...
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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by icecab21 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:12 am

they are both better at different things.

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Ragehead91 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:14 am

It makes no sense comparing them now. As I said, wait a few years until we have more than 1 album from Matias.

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by icecab21 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:32 am

We do have live of the guys playing the same songs if people want to look at those. "Better" really seems undefined though as people are not on the same page as to what makes a good guitarist and what the guidelines are. A "who do you like more" thread seems to be for informative wording.

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Ragehead91 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:37 am

Well, of course you can compare them now. But if you really want to be fair, wait until Matias released a few more albums with strato,

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Takatukkajukka » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:32 am

I think both are amazing guitarists so the decision is hard to make.
Speaking of playing technique, Matias is far more better than Timo. Matias uses different techniques like sweeping, string skipping, tapping etc, but nowadays is seems that Timo only use that fast alternate picking which he has been using last 10 years. In some interview Timo has said that he isn't interested in playing guitar nowadays, he just use guitar to express his music. But I think playing guitar is much more than playing technique. It's about emotions to me. Technique is just the tool to express emotions. I can't make a decision who is better :(

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by nepi » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:51 am

Ragehead91 wrote:What kind of bullshit is this topic? You can't compare those 2 guys! 1 is a pro who has been playing since the 80s and the other one is a real youngster who has been active for only a few years. Give Matias a few years to build up a reputation other then "the guy who replaces Timo Tolkki" and then we can talk.
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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by browneyedgirl » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:55 pm

Its not fair to compare in terms of who is better, we can say the two have different playing techniques which some people prefer over the other.

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by empi » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:08 pm

Hmm who cares about fast playing. what i miss is the emotion. listen to this posted version of blackdiamond on masters of rock 2009 at 4:30 and you can hear what is missing.it is played absolute correctly but i think something is missing.

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Ragehead91 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:15 pm

So in other words
"HOW DARE HE PLAY THOSE SONGS? HE AIN'T TOLKKI!"
Seriously now, someone please explain the whole "emotion" thing to me. I don't get it. He played the song perfectly. What more can he do?

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by RazielSR » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:27 pm

empi wrote:Hmm who cares about fast playing. what i miss is the emotion. listen to this posted version of blackdiamond on masters of rock 2009 at 4:30 and you can hear what is missing.it is played absolute correctly but i think something is missing.
I miss everything in that case and some other solos. But it's normal if it's not Tolkki playing, who created the composition.

Anyway, the solos by Matias of the new songs from Polaris are awesome.
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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Ragehead91 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:32 pm

The few solos he gets. The next album needs more guitar and less keyboard with all due respect to JJ.

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by RazielSR » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:38 pm

There are very few solos and guitar in Polaris, that's true.
I don't have a big problem with that cause I love Jensokeyboards everywhere, but I suppose it was due to the fast incoporation of Matias.
You know, he needs some time. In the next we'll see the real potential by MK, and I think is gonna be fantastic.

EDIT: For example, the solo part keyboard/guitar in Emancipation 1, is for me one of the best compositons I've never heard and one of the best in the whole Stratovarius discography. It's simply amazing, amazing, AMAZING.
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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Lurdi » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:24 pm

I prefer TT. To me he is the best guitarist. Obviously Matias is an excellent guitarist and very talented, but TT is an outta this world guitarist. Those melodies, sweetness in his solos, energy. Honestly, I don't know how to explain it. I am just carried away by them while listening to every single song, and you know, everything matches, the lyrics, the atmospehere, the music.
As a musician he has something very very unusual, he simply has that something and in my opinion what makes him the best of both is not just playing those impossible and fast scores or whatever. It's much more than it.
But this is only my opinion.

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Mormegil » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:42 pm

Lurdi wrote:I prefer TT. To me he is the best guitarist. Obviously Matias is an excellent guitarist and very talented, but TT is an outta this world guitarist. Those melodies, sweetness in his solos, energy. Honestly, I don't know how to explain it. I am just carried away by them while listening to every single song, and you know, everything matches, the lyrics, the atmospehere, the music.
As a musician he has something very very unusual, he simply has that something and in my opinion what makes him the best of both is not just playing those impossible and fast scores or whatever. It's much more than it.
But this is only my opinion.
I agree with you on this. I always admired Tolkki's skill to take very basic ideas in his solos and make them sound something extraordinary. IMO that's really something that you need natural talent in.

Matias is more technically versatile, but I don't think we've heard the best of him yet. Solo of Winter Skies is some really amazing guitar playing though.

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by Intiaani » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:38 pm

It's too early to compare these two. I'll say my opinion after Matias, too, has done it some 25 years or so as a profession. I've seen both recent Strato line-ups live once, and I have to say Matias played the solos way more accurately than Tolkki ever did (according to some YouTube clips, Visions of Europe and the gig I saw). Matias is kinda new to play these songs, though, so he, of course, still must be accurate and play everything right, he hasn't developed any skill to modify the songs or do like Tolkki did, screw the solos up real good and manage to make a comeback after that. :D

Nah, really, it's hard to say. It seems there are guitar virtuosos in nearly every band nowadays, so it's not that important, either. Tolkki was about the first one to come up with this kind of guitar playing, so kudos to him so far. Matias, as said, seems more technical. I'm not giving my vote to either of them.

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Re: Better Guitarist

Post by DayDreamer » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:30 pm

Hail Tolkki!
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Mattias got some kick ass skills but still his solos dont touch me.I cant recall a single one i liked on Polaris.I really love Tolkkis solos because they really deliver a message and an attitude!

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