Return to Dreamspace delayed until next spring!

[Ragehead91]

I really didn't expect Jari to show up here

[Rebel]

I really didn't expect Jari to show up here

I really doubt ANYONE expected Jari to show up. But still. WOOHOO

[JensJohansson]

I think Jens should have this forum overhauled when he has the time. It's getting ridiculous.

It's hilarious, but still ridiculous, and is causing more harm than good.

Well, what would you have me do? Create another section of the forum where I move threads where TT gets caught in embarrassing lies?

Speech is somewhat free here. Just because we're selling rope, it doesn't mean we're telling people to hang themselves.

This Jari issue is just another way that speech opposes speech. I can't prevent TT from creating new accounts, it's not technically feasible. There was a time earlier this year when he was allowed to post here, but that was then. He's basically back to trying to spread disinformation and lies to harm the band, like he was last year, so I had to abandon that policy of openness.

At the moment, he sometimes creates new accounts here, I just disable them when I see them and if I have time to look.

If he also lies here about talking to Jari about Project Strato, that's sort of not my (or Stratovarius') problem at all. I'm sad TT told that lie, I'm glad Jari remembered his password, other than that, lies countered with free speech sometimes generates giant facepalm feelings.

I'm not pointing a gun to TT's head and telling him to create accounts here and start typing lies. The man is an adult and is responsible for his own actions.

[NeonVomit]

But how can one know if it even really IS TT? I point to the AAAAAAAAAA collective as an example, there's nothing to stop anyone making an account with any name and then saying stuff...

[miditek]

Go to Finnland and stalk Tuomo and Antti a bit! Maybe they'll tell you then! Or they'll just call the police!

I just talked to Jari about it and we start recordings in few weeks.

Is your nose growing longer?
You have not answered: Why hasnt Tuomo or Antti said anything about RTD?

Because Tolkki has them tied up in his basement.

With Marcellus Wallace, Zed, and the Gimp?

[Ragehead91]

But how can one know if it even really IS TT? I point to the AAAAAAAAAA collective as an example, there's nothing to stop anyone making an account with any name and then saying stuff...

Indeed. This forum is full of Trolls and Fakes. How should we know if it is really TT?

[AAAAAAAAAA]

But how can one know if it even really IS TT? I point to the AAAAAAAAAA collective as an example, there's nothing to stop anyone making an account with any name and then saying stuff...

Indeed. This forum is full of Trolls and Fakes. How should we know if it is really TT?

Because Jens practically said so...and he can check IPs. Anyway, it wasn't me and I don't regret it either because irrelevant bible quotations are not my brand of humor But I don't know or really care. What difference does it make? He lied about the stunt, the real strato breakup, his stolen guitar, F-Secure, the disappearance of his myspace (I never hacked it, HE deleted it!)... who's counting anymore*?

:repuke: :sick: :puke: :rotflmao2: :rotflmao1:

[mayhem-for-all]

But how can one know if it even really IS TT? I point to the AAAAAAAAAA collective as an example, there's nothing to stop anyone making an account with any name and then saying stuff...

Indeed. This forum is full of Trolls and Fakes. How should we know if it is really TT?

That is the terrible downside of this freedom.

[Mormegil]

I believe pwnage of this magnitude calls for...

[Ragehead91]

[browneyedgirl]

I believe pwnage of this magnitude calls for...

In all of my years on this forum I have never saw anyone so obviously and embarassingly owned, and with just 2 little words!

[AAAAAAAAA]

And what to say if Real Tolkki is authentic???

[RazielSR]

It's difficult to know if that nick is the real Tolkki or not.

Anyway, I'd like to read some Jari's words. I mean, if he could tell us something... if he talked with TT this past weeks or if there's something real about project strato or not...

[mayhem-for-all]

It's difficult to know if that nick is the real Tolkki or not.

Anyway, I'd like to read some Jari's words. I mean, if he could tell us something... if he talked with TT this past weeks or if there's something real about project strato or not...

Yes now that he is here he sure could tell us something from his point of view.

Unless he is just a troll made by Jens who now is the secret ally of A-group
OK OK I'm not serious with this.

[AAAAAAAAA]

I was the one who quarreled most with him and in the beginning I thought he was a troll(like me, ha, ha) But suddenly there was the old tone of our earlier bickerings and I became very unsure. I can't swear that it was Tolkki, but I am yet really sure. And he couldn't follow us to the Flamesight and there I think JJ has some catch.

[AAAAAAAAA]

Why should JJ be a SECRET ally to a so distinguished group of fans. We are all open allies to JJ and the whole Strato and I think he is rather neutral. So you better take back your assertions.

[JariKainulainen]

It's difficult to know if that nick is the real Tolkki or not.

Anyway, I'd like to read some Jari's words. I mean, if he could tell us something... if he talked with TT this past weeks or if there's something real about project strato or not...

Hello folks

I never said that its not gonna happen.

We just never talk about time schedule, yet

[Rebel]

It's difficult to know if that nick is the real Tolkki or not.

Anyway, I'd like to read some Jari's words. I mean, if he could tell us something... if he talked with TT this past weeks or if there's something real about project strato or not...

Hello folks

I never said that its not gonna happen.

We just never talk about time schedule, yet

Most of the Stratovarius faithful are really looking forward to this project, it's something that means a lot to me, I know, because from a compositional standpoint, it's the most inspirational (Dreamspace that is) album Stratovarius has ever done, I'd love to hear from Tuomo and Antti about this though, (Hell, even if its not about RTD, we love hearing from bandmembers past and present)

[RazielSR]

It's difficult to know if that nick is the real Tolkki or not.

Anyway, I'd like to read some Jari's words. I mean, if he could tell us something... if he talked with TT this past weeks or if there's something real about project strato or not...

Hello folks

I never said that its not gonna happen.

We just never talk about time schedule, yet

Many thanks Jari, you know we are getting mad here step by step. We are just fans looking for good music from our favourite artists and we find madness, always madness. At least Jens and company are making really wonderful music and making a lot of gigs with our dear Stratovarius. Nice to see that you are happy with Evergrey and making good stuff. My best wishes, dude.

Thank you again for clarify the situation. We'd like a LOT to see you all, the old members, in that Return to Dreamspace.

[ggonza43]

It's difficult to know if that nick is the real Tolkki or not.

Anyway, I'd like to read some Jari's words. I mean, if he could tell us something... if he talked with TT this past weeks or if there's something real about project strato or not...

Hello folks

I never said that its not gonna happen.

We just never talk about time schedule, yet

Thanks for making the things brigther Jari
And about that "Tolkki" issue: Haven't you never thought that why Tolkki, if Jens is still closing his accounts, does come back to the forum WITH a nickname with his name on it? I think (if I were him) that if I wanted to tell some shits about anything to any thread, I wouldn't be using my own name... Just saying

[Intiaani]

(Hell, even if its not about RTD, we love hearing from bandmembers past and present)

This. It's just great, from time to time, when you're unliving on the board, and you see a band member comment. It creates some feeling... like the band has time and cares! And the band members are, like, I dunno, not normal people. Some fans worship them (maybe you? Yes, YOU!), "love" them or generally think they're great musicians and good guys, as one can say as the publicity's made it clear.

Anywho, what's with this board lately? Jens, Kotipelto, Tolkki(?), Jari, Lauri appearing, and Seppänen and Kaasalainen from Dreamtale? I mean, c'mon, we're having discussions going on here, dammit! Phuck off!

[icecab21]

Tolkki is starting a tour in 2 weeks, how would he have been able to start recording and touring as well? That’s one reason why I don't think that realtolkki comment made sense.

Thanks for the comment, Jari, looking forward to all the music you are a part of.

[Ragehead91]

Tolkki is starting a tour in 2 weeks, how would he have been able to start recording and touring as well? That’s one reason why I don't think that realtolkki comment made sense.

Thanks for the comment, Jari, looking forward to all the music you are a part of.

If you have the right equipment than touring and recording at the same time is possible. But I doubt Tolkki has the equipment. And I also doubt that he would actually do it.

[Polaris]

Go to Finnland and stalk Tuomo and Antti a bit! Maybe they'll tell you then! Or they'll just call the police!

I just talked to Jari about it and we start recordings in few weeks.

Oh, really?

It's not so often i do this but....

WTF

This forum is much better than a comedian movie

[browneyedgirl]

Go to Finnland and stalk Tuomo and Antti a bit! Maybe they'll tell you then! Or they'll just call the police!

I just talked to Jari about it and we start recordings in few weeks.

Oh, really?

It's not so often i do this but....

WTF

This forum is much better than a comedian movie

Oh, goody! Another Picard facepalm! I have a collection of those! They come in handy.

Now I gotta clean my box.

My In box, I mean.

[ggonza43]

Thank god you specified BEG !

[hiro23]

It's good to know that there has been clarification on this issue.

Thank you for stopping by and letting us know Jari, your a good man.

[KilledByDETH]

crazy stuff ahappenin' here

[eternity_strato]

LOL for all eternity

[icecab21]

people are quick to jump to pessimistic conclusions before clarification