Babylon and Jörg Michael

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Babylon and Jörg Michael

Post by JPR » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:23 pm

I've always wondered about this but at 2:28 in the Baybon, Jörg sounds early on just that one snare hit, is this a mistake or just musical genius? It doesn't sound bad I've just always been intruiged. :)

Alternately I got a defective copy of the Episode Album :buh: (Which I hope not), but has anyone else noticed this?

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Post by palarmux » Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:14 pm

I think it is mistake, I have noticed it always I listen that song. it's hard to unnotice it, it's so straight mistake, I dunno :roll:

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Post by fernandotcl » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:59 pm

It sounds intentional to me.

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Post by Intiaani » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:41 pm

I noticed it on the first time and pay notice to it every time I listen to that song. I've also spoken about it with some of my friends, some of those being musicians. Everyone agrees with me that that early snare hit is there just to spice things up. That couldn't have gone unnoticed in the studio, so whether it's intentional or not, it was definitely left there on purpose. I think it's great, it confuses and surprises new listeners and makes discussions like this possible. :)
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Re: Babylon and Jörg Michael

Post by valo_666 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:47 pm

To me it's just a cool progressive drumming arrangement :)

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Post by JPR » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:58 am

Intiaani wrote:I noticed it on the first time and pay notice to it every time I listen to that song. I've also spoken about it with some of my friends, some of those being musicians. Everyone agrees with me that that early snare hit is there just to spice things up. That couldn't have gone unnoticed in the studio, so whether it's intentional or not, it was definitely left there on purpose. I think it's great, it confuses and surprises new listeners and makes discussions like this possible. :)
Yeah I'm all with you on that, just something to create musical interest. Though again I was unsure so I thought I'd ask xD
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Re: Babylon and Jörg Michael

Post by Rebel » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:13 am

sounds to me like a mistake.

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Post by ggonza43 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:39 pm

I think it's intentional. There are plenty of drummers that do the same
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Re: Babylon and Jörg Michael

Post by Plisken » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:50 am

ether way Jorg is having a good laugh right about now lol.

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Post by ggonza43 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:57 pm

Sure he is :lol:. But it would be great if Jorg post a message here explaining if our thoughts are right :?
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Re: Babylon and Jörg Michael

Post by Empathica1928 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:56 pm

There are several moments on Episode that do something similar, where the snare plays on the bass beat and vice versa, so Babylon's not the only song with strange drum moments on that album. But yea, there's no way that could've gone unnoticed in the studio. Given both of those, I gotta believe it's intentional. It's impossible to not notice it when it's playing... :lol:

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Post by ggonza43 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:12 pm

... Or maybe they noticed it, but were too lazy to re-record it again :D

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Post by Keyssion » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:13 pm

I'd actually believe that it's just a pure mistake! But I think it can't really be called a true mistake since it was left there and it sounds good :D I've done some recording and producing, and things like that happen sometimes. And a good sounding mistake is a pretty funny thing to notice :) It can't really be bad! Nobody cares if it's a mistake, if it sounds good!

ggonza, that's possible. It's a darn long song to rerecord completely! :D Of course you can record it in smaller parts but that's not what you usually do with professional musicians :)


....or then it can just be a cool detail!

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Post by Intiaani » Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:43 pm

Also that tempo ain't so hard for a drummer as good as Jörg, so actually it's a VERY bad miss from him or it's intentional, as I strongly believe it is. :P It would be harder to find the tempo again after an accidental early hit anyway, so, it must be intentional?
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Post by Rebel » Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:16 pm

Intiaani wrote:Also that tempo ain't so hard for a drummer as good as Jörg, so actually it's a VERY bad miss from him or it's intentional, as I strongly believe it is. :P It would be harder to find the tempo again after an accidental early hit anyway, so, it must be intentional?
My guess is that song is really, really, boring to play on drums, especially in studio when you're not hearing the rest of the instruments, he was probably distracting himself somehow, like hitting the drums really hard, or something of that nature, and just missed. Instead of recording it again he told the engineer, "Just loop over that part" and they forgot, they put the song together and either nobody noticed, or it wasn't a big enough deal to go back and fix. It's far too random to be a mistake, especially since I've never heard anything like it in any other Stratovarius songs.

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Re: Babylon and Jörg Michael

Post by lalodrums2 » Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:02 am

intentional! He is my hero so sh** the fu** off!

JUST KIDDING!!

I don't know either, but sounds like a little progressive arrangement to me too.

Cheers everyoneeeeeeeeeeeeee from Monterrey mexico! (im already wasted, lol) :D

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Re: Babylon and Jörg Michael

Post by Intiaani » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:40 am

lalodrums2 wrote:
I don't know either, but sounds like a little progressive arrangement to me too.
In those two posts oh mine, I never said this. But now: yes.

Also, agree with it being very boring for a drummer.
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Post by ggonza43 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:46 pm

Intiaani wrote:Also, agree with it being very boring for a drummer.
What do you exactly mean?

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Re: Babylon and Jörg Michael

Post by foerg » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:13 pm

well, in munich jörg crashed BD by trying to bring a variantion to the speed... half a minute "every man for himself".

well, the bavarian beer...

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Re: Babylon and Jörg Michael

Post by ggonza43 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:20 pm

I think like a lot of bands (specially trash/power metal) enjoy speeding the tempo of original songs, it's something to make the lie shows interesting and entertaining, and alos having more time for more songs.
Take the example of Metallica (saw them a week ago), they literally abuse of this, and they make songs like "For Whom The Bell Tolls" really different :)
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Re: Babylon and Jörg Michael

Post by foerg » Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:39 pm

i think you are right...

at wacken rocks festival they were so fast, that they could play visions (!) at the end...

but the variations, escecially by jens, are one reason i like stratovarius and one rason why i like them live and loud (and drunk...)

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Re: Babylon and Jörg Michael

Post by ggonza43 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:00 pm

Strato live sure blows everybody's mind :headbang:!
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