You can feel blessed in some way! Nobody gives fuck about Finnish affairs.Neorave wrote:wow, once again I am shocked to see how many foreign people are into American affairs.
Fair enough. I'll grant you your wish to bow out gracefully. Well, as graceful as it can be after "you hate America!"-rhetoric. But before I do...fifthtea_sausage wrote:First, I want to start out to talk with nordicstorm.
I heard your arguments and you heard mine. At this point we are just playing lacross back and forth if you would pardon the analogy as you say "Sudan!" and I say "Threat" and you say "Stone" etc etc. There is really nothing more we can get out of our little debate. We have exhausted our arguments. Its just up to interpretation now.
This you say a mere few posts after you yourself said "Because all Europeans are a bunch of flowery hippie-liberals", completely disregarding that there's bound to be at least a few among 800 million Europeans who aren't flowery hippie-liberals. So, it's a-ok to stereotype Europeans, but not Americans?I'm just saying that other Americans have different opinions, and your comment sounds a lot like a general confession on the part of the Americans.
No objections here. Massive deficits, gay marriage ban amendments, reckless disregard for the environment, botching Afghanistan...as I said in a previous post, he certainly can't be in the top 20.Neorave wrote:Second, we technically don't have the best president in power right now.
In fairness to Kerry, that's what politicians are. He's just not as good at hiding it as some others are.Many people can argue that Kerry is a better candidate, but something about him just makes me think he's a fake.
Well, on the account of the environment alone, I can't say I dig your current president. Now, tax cuts for the rich may not affect me, at least not directly, but all that crap being dumped in the ocean will! Don't get me wrong, the US certainly isn't alone in this regard. But Osama Bin Clinton, for all his faults and mistakes, did at least have a more sound environmental policy.Plus, many of these things that Bush had started (most domestic programs and policies), I'd rather have him finish these up that to have a different president somehow fuck it up. Some of these programs Bush has going is pretty good.
Technically, Clinton wasn't that bad. He actually helped out economy get back into shape. Plus, he did give us some mediaful, entertaining moments on CNN and such.NordicStorm wrote:Well, on the account of the environment alone, I can't say I dig your current president. Now, tax cuts for the rich may not affect me, at least not directly, but all that crap being dumped in the ocean will! Don't get me wrong, the US certainly isn't alone in this regard. But Osama Bin Clinton, for all his faults and mistakes, did at least have a more sound environmental policy.
Clinton was all about "make love, not war"NeonVomit wrote:I think Clinton was just as bad as Bush. But Clinton had some character and charisma and could talk his way out of problems. He also was more intelligent than a beanstalk, a virtue the current President of the U.S of A sadly lacks.
Much betterYES!Stratofortress wrote:Clinton was all about "make love, not war"NeonVomit wrote:I think Clinton was just as bad as Bush. But Clinton had some character and charisma and could talk his way out of problems. He also was more intelligent than a beanstalk, a virtue the current President of the U.S of A sadly lacks.
One little flame is not gonna kill anyone, really. Technically, you can't really stop it from happening. All I can say is don't worry about it.
Sure. But you should know that I don't care about your claim that his arguments are better. Most people here have already made their decision anyway. I'm just saying if someone attacks my country and my president, I have the right to defend myself.Right it's up to imterpretation. And I can tell you that most people who read your arguments and who read nordicstorms arguments (better than yours i think) come to same conclusion via interpretation: Iraq was mainly about oil.
[/b]If someone attacks YOU in internet forum defend yourself. Someone attacks your country go ahead also defend your country. Even though its pretty stupid to attack whole country in an internet forumfifthtea_sausage wrote:I'm just saying if someone attacks my country and my president, I have the right to defend myself.
.. i just made that to see the poll resultsLets continue this discussion in "Bush's real reason for going to war" thread since it is strange to have this discussion in two places.
