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Post by JensJohansson » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:38 am

Dear George Bush,

As someone who is a US resident but makes almost all his money in Euroland, and pays for housing in a way that is completely disconnected from oil prices, I say to you:

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! :lol:

I say let's keep Bush in office until the end of time! Well at least until I can get 5 dollars for a Euro. And if the Chinese at that point will hold 60 trillion dollars worth of US debt and oil will cost 100 dollars per barrel, well the oil prices at least are my landlord's problem, it's not mine :lol:

Now I'm not sure if GWB meant to help little me by running the US economy into the ground, but so far that's what he's been doing. I happen to believe that what he is doing with the economy for sure is not good for the US or for anyone else for that matter. I imagine it's more good just for most of his political campaign sponsors. It really has benefited me too though. Out of a general concern for fiscal responsibility I probably would have voted for the other guy... but I can't vote in the US anyway, so what the fuck can I say...

By the way, things like fiscal responsibility and trade deficits USED to be something conservatives were worried about. See for instance what that raving communist Warren Buffett had to say about trade deficits in that liberal pinko magazine "Fortune":

http://www.summitglobal.com/acrobat_pdf ... oct_03.pdf

Many Americans don't even think about the fact that the Euro is a serious threat to their currency. What used to be a completely fragmented currency market is now a half-a-billion-consumer behemoth, but in the US it seems that this iceberg is not even a small blip on the radar screen. Bu there is a lot of European money invested in US markets and to me the situation is pretty ripe for a panic. Funnily enough, newsweek only last week had a story about this and it's something I've been yapping about for years. But what the hell do i know, I'm just a drunken keyboard player who blows up toilets :lol:

Regarding Iraq, to me it's clear that Saddam was bad AND that the US could have handled his toppling in a much smarter way. I don't really have much patience with conservative efforts in the US to discredit and emasculate the UN. Perhaps that's because I'm European and I think the UN is a very important idea. Perhaps it's because as an European I know pretty damned well why and when the UN was created. The UN was a direct result of the two great world wars. (That goes for the EU as well by the way, which grew out of the coal-steel union which was a direct result of ideas to try to prevent further global world wars riding on the industrial revolution)

Regarding war in general I would just like to give a quote:
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
Who said that, Noam Chomsky or someone?? Karl Marx? Ward Churchill? John Lennon??

Nope, it was actually Dwight D. Eisenhower, one American who in my opinion really should know what he was talking about, and who incidentally also had his finger heavily in the pie at the creation of the UN.

And from Eisenhower's farewell address, Jan 17, 1961:
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, 3.5 million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.
and one more good one:
I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.
Well, that's how Eisenhower felt. But I guess maybe he was some sort of pinko pacifist :). What would he have known about war that eg. Karl Rove doesn't...

I say it again: Iraq seems to be at least heading the right way. Next time, if there is a next time, for god's sake let's listen to what the Germans have to say. They know how starting a war can go horribly, horribly wrong. And let's not make the UN's job more difficult than it already is.
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Post by Jaakko » Sat Mar 19, 2005 1:06 am

For all that, I understand maybe half of what's written above and clearly know too little to form an opinion I could reason and try to change people's minds and shit. Bush, don't like him, but I don't know him either. US of A, don't know it but I kinda like some of the ideas the country used to be about, not anymore though.

About UN, yes, I feel (yes, only feel, can't reason) that it's the right idea.

About EU, for the same feel I have for UN being a good idea I feel EU is a bad idea because it creates more tension eventually, I have this fear of EU becoming US of E, governed and controlled like the USA and standing against USA when a conflict arises, with united armed force. Wish I could be smarter about this but there's a reason to it, the very same fear. It's been long enough since the last world war for a new one to rise. Unless people have learned, but that's what I mean, the people who lived the world war are soon all dead. The pain dies with those people but the hero legends live on.

I'm really searching for something here, I'm a dedicated pacifist in action but on a level of thought I can't find the clear line between wrong and right, even war is a question for me. Somehow I feel it's part of what we are and on the other hand I think it's only temporary phase of the evolutionary process of human development. Same goes for democracy actually. Can't be sure people are informed enough to make a right decision. I mean, come on, Bush is still in the office...

But I can't think of a better idea. (Well I can, but that would mean myself being a world dictator :lol:) Have to just wait and see where the world finally ends.

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Post by fifthtea_sausage » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:38 am

Man, whats with everyone saying gdub running the economy into the ground? The economy is a complicated and large system interconnected in many different ways. There are so many different factors. Blaming it on ONE guy is absurd. What about what Clinton did to us? He was president leading up to all this. I seriously doubt that the week Bush came into office the economy started going downhill. That was the aftermath of what Clinton did for 8 years.

Jens, maybe you think war is always unnecessary. Well, terrorism is unnecessary too.
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
Those who are cold and not clothed should dress warm and feed themselves. Considering those people hate the US anyway it isn't our prob. I just don't see the association in the full quote anyway. How is firing a rocket against Saddam taking away the hopes of our children? I think its giving these Iraqi people a chance!

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Post by Neorave » Sat Mar 19, 2005 4:52 pm

JensJohansson wrote:By the way, things like fiscal responsibility and trade deficits USED to be something conservatives were worried about. See for instance what that raving communist Warren Buffett had to say about trade deficits in that liberal pinko magazine "Fortune"
I feel hurt :cry: . Buffet, the second richest man in the world, and a native of Omaha. Plus, he supported Kerry and was his financial advisor during Kerry's campaign. He hated BUsh with a passion.
JensJohansson wrote:Regarding Iraq, to me it's clear that Saddam was bad AND that the US could have handled his toppling in a much smarter way. I don't really have much patience with conservative efforts in the US to discredit and emasculate the UN. Perhaps that's because I'm European and I think the UN is a very important idea. Perhaps it's because as an European I know pretty damned well why and when the UN was created. The UN was a direct result of the two great world wars. (That goes for the EU as well by the way, which grew out of the coal-steel union which was a direct result of ideas to try to prevent further global world wars riding on the industrial revolution)
It seems pretty ironic that Woodrow Wilson would form the League of Nations (obviously now called the UN) and the US has never joined. What a fucked up country we are.
Jaakko wrote:I'm a dedicated pacifist in action but on a level of thought I can't find the clear line between wrong and right, even war is a question for me. Somehow I feel it's part of what we are and on the other hand I think it's only temporary phase of the evolutionary process of human development.
Pacifism is a great idea, but at this point in time it's not gonna work very well. Everytime I hear the word "Pacifism" or "Pacifist" or something that has to do with peace, I'm reminded of the Gundam series, in which there's always a cliche about some random country wanting pacifism, and another country takes over the pacifist country by brute force.
fifthtea_sausage wrote:Man, whats with everyone saying gdub running the economy into the ground? The economy is a complicated and large system interconnected in many different ways. Blaming it on ONE guy is absurd. What about what Clinton did to us? He was president leading up to all this. I seriously doubt that the week Bush came into office the economy started going downhill. That was the aftermath of what Clinton did for 8 years.
I still don't get it. In fact, if I would take a class on it, I'd probably pass out.

The only reason the majority of the people in the world are blaming him is that someone's gotta take the blame for this. And no one's gonna care about some fucking moron from the IRS, NO, they're gonna blaming it on the president...WHY? Because he's the most popular political figure in the entire world.

Btw, Clinton actually did very well for our economy. In fact, during the Lewinsky scandal, the economy went sky rocketing up. :lol:
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Post by JensJohansson » Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:18 pm

fifthtea_sausage wrote:Man, whats with everyone saying gdub running the economy into the ground? The economy is a complicated and large system interconnected in many different ways. There are so many different factors. Blaming it on ONE guy is absurd. What about what Clinton did to us? He was president leading up to all this. I seriously doubt that the week Bush came into office the economy started going downhill. That was the aftermath of what Clinton did for 8 years.
You're right, "the economy", whatever that is, is a little like the weather, whoever is sitting as president takes credit when things are good because of their really nice weather dance. :) And if the economy is bad, well then it's of course because the previous guy's weather dance was very clumsy.

I'm talking not so much about the stock market, just about the general houskeeping inside the US government. I tend to believe that the US government, like any government, provides useful services to its citizens. But that very basic idea does not seem to have any traction anymore within the gang of conservative ideologues who seem to be in charge.

What I'm saying is that the current administration is lowering U.S. taxes when I tend to think that it would be wiser to even raise them a little. In tough times a nation should make some sacrifices -- it's historically always been that way, until now, when "CUT TAXES! CUT TAXES!" is somehow an ideological mantra that gets chanted -- somehow the same solution to every problem.

I get 1.33 dollars for an euro today. In the beginning of 2002 I would have gotten 86 cents. That means in essence that the US dollar has DROPPED that much in value. Now put yourself in the shoes of a European investor who bought US stocks when the dollar was expensive... today the dow is about where it was in January 2002. That means -- counted in Euros -- that the dow (whatever that means to you, think about it) has dropped to 65% of its January 2002 level.

So to you maybe it's "Man, whats with everyone saying gdub running the economy into the ground?" But to Herr Schmidt at the huge investment bank in Frankfurt it's "I lost 35% of my client's money the last 3 years". You may then say, "well what do I care about how much money some German guy loses?" :) Then just think about what happens to the dow when he (and millions of investment bankers all over the world) decides that they had enough of the sliding dollar and decides to cut their losses and repatriate their money.

I believe this is already happening. And the day when it was clear that W was reelected, there was a dramatic drop in the dollar's value. In my mind it was a bunch of Herr Schmidts reading the paper on the train on their way to work on the morning of November 4, reading the news and shaking their heads, and then there was a giant WHOOSH as thousands of investment managers fired up their computers and started repatriating more funds. I'm not saying there are other factors than trust. But people are and remain human too. In a sense, the value of a currency is a measure of how much you trust the country and the administration.

And yes, to a certain extent this effect should be counteracted by fresh investors buying dollars because they are so cheap now, or simply because they have to (hey, that's me! :) ) But having said that, even WITH that effect, ask yourself: why has the dollar then slid so much the last few years?

Maybe cf http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7170226/site/newsweek/ . It's a pretty measured article.

To tie it in with the weather analogy: I don't care so much what kind of weather dance is being danced or who is doing it. But if it's raining, let's at least not sell half of the roof to China.
Jens, maybe you think war is always unnecessary. Well, terrorism is unnecessary too.
I for sure don't think war is always unneccesary. It should be the last resort though, and it should be done with a UN consensus. Period.

So say I, so said that commie Eisenhower, and regarding Iraq - so said those pacifist Germans. But what the hell do the Germans know about starting wars :lol:
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
Those who are cold and not clothed should dress warm and feed themselves. Considering those people hate the US anyway it isn't our prob. I just don't see the association in the full quote anyway. How is firing a rocket against Saddam taking away the hopes of our children? I think its giving these Iraqi people a chance!
I think he was talking in a very general sense -- that is, a US politician talking about US citizens being robbed of resources.

Not every problem can be solved only with military means. Terrorism happens to be one of them.
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I'm just hoping you know who this "other guy" is :)
Basically -- any guy who wouldn't be afraid to raise the taxes in the US a bit, and who would have more respect for the UN.

The US election went the way it did, Bush won fair and square. But basically, I believe my attitude is quite typical for many Europeans. You might not like it personally, but that's the way it is. Either you try to understand these attitudes and adapt to them even, or you don't. You may dismiss foreigners' attitudes but the stark reality is that foreigners hold a lot of the public US debt.

When someone has you by the balls it's not wise to start running (--Chinese proverb that I just made up :) )

I tend to think it's important that people in the US have as much information as possible about all these things. But it seems the debate in the US is lowered to trivial things such as whether it's "french fries" or "freedom fries", or if Kerry looks a bit French, or who ejaculated on whose blue dress, or who was driving drunk 40 years ago. I mean -- who gives a flying fuck!?!

"Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together." But fuck, what would that hippie pinko Eisenhower know :). Doesn't he look a little bit french? I heard he had a mistress!
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Post by NordicStorm » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:13 pm

Those who are cold and not clothed should dress warm and feed themselves.
Wow, that's the most succinct summing up of compassionate conservatism I've ever seen.
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Post by fifthtea_sausage » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:36 pm

Nordicstorm, Feel free to quote me. :lol:
I'm talking not so much about the stock market, just about the general houskeeping inside the US government. I tend to believe that the US government, like any government, provides useful services to its citizens. But that very basic idea does not seem to have any traction anymore within the gang of conservative ideologues who seem to be in charge.
I agree with you in a sense. But I wouldn't blame it on conservative ideologies. I think its simply that politics is becoming more of some sort of reality show. Before, I think it was electing a man who would represent us. Now, they have merged it with pop culture and its become some sort of Satan vs. Jesus runoff with everyone having a different conception of who is who.

It was time for concern when we realized all Democrats seem to vote for the Democratic option rather than analyzing each case individually, and all Republicans doing the same. Its just no longer a challenge of sense, but rather a childish game on who's side won. This is no way to run a country and get things done.
I for sure don't think war is always unneccesary. It should be the last resort though, and it should be done Period.
If you were a leader and saw that your country was a time bomb waiting to explode at the hands of the terrorists, you wouldn't wait till it was a last resort. You can't win with these people. They want you dead, your family dead, your kids dead, they just want to see Americans dead. Last resort? Thats actually a very smart idea if there was no terrorism in the world. But these attacks are quite unexpected and uncalled for. They don't "declare war" on us. They just keep it a secret and before we know it, our buildings are gone.

In any case, Saddam was asked to leave the country within 24/48 (I don't remember exactly how much time he had) hours or face war. He chose war.

How this relates to Iraq is another story, but gdub thought it was a threat, the congress agreed, and I trust him.
What I'm saying is that the current administration is lowering U.S. taxes when I tend to think that it would be wiser to even raise them a little. In tough times a nation should make some sacrifices -- it's historically always been that way, until now, when "CUT TAXES! CUT TAXES!" is somehow an ideological mantra that gets chanted -- somehow the same solution to every problem.
Its funny you should mention it. I think it will tie in to the whole abortion arguments if you think about it. Democrats fight for both late stage and early stage abortions. Republicans fight for no late stage and no early stage. But Democrats honestly do not believe in late stage. Republicans don't as much mind early stage. The fact is, if one of them submits to common sense and says, 'ok, maybe you've got a point,' then the other side is going to selfishly take all that lost ground and begin fighting more and more. If Republicans say, "screw it, just allow early-stage abortion," then the Democrats will get that law passed and will they play nice? No. (Nor would the Republicans, of course). Politics has become a cruel game.

I believe the same applies to taxes.
Imagine two people are running at each other, and are trying to push a giant ball between them.

PersonA - (Ideal A) - Ball - (Ideal B) - Person B

Person A tries to get the ball to his ideal zone and person b tries to get that ball to his ideal zone. Would person A push that ball just enough so that without outside interference it would get to Ideal A? No, he would push it as hard as he can so that it would be even more to the right than person B. He doesn't want the ball to be that much to the right. But he has to push it there. If person A inches it only a little bit forward then Person B will take advantage of that.

In general, cutting taxes is good for businesses and the economy. Money starts circulating. And I believe Bush has done also a rather fine job in the sense that if you look at his budget report for the next year, he has reduced spending substantially.
I get 1.33 dollars for an euro today. In the beginning of 2002 I would have gotten 86 cents. That means in essence that the US dollar has DROPPED that much in value. Now put yourself in the shoes of a European investor who bought US stocks when the dollar was expensive... today the dow is about where it was in January 2002. That means -- counted in Euros -- that the dow (whatever that means to you, think about it) has dropped to 65% of its January 2002 level.
The same thing happens to our local stock market. I had a great deal of shares of Microsoft stock when it was around $120/Share. Now its what, 25/share? 20? 30? Its a risk. But thats capitalism.
get 1.33 dollars for an euro today. In the beginning of 2002 I would have gotten 86 cents.
If it fell that much in that little time, it can grow that much in that little time.
But having said that, even WITH that effect, ask yourself: why has the dollar then slid so much the last few years?
For the same reason the stock market slid. The global economy is a mess of delicate intertwined threads, really. Just trust the system, and things will work out, my friend.

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Post by shaz » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:28 pm

fifthtea_sausage wrote:You can't win with these people. They want you dead, your family dead, your kids dead, they just want to see Americans dead. Last resort? Thats actually a very smart idea if there was no terrorism in the world. But these attacks are quite unexpected and uncalled for. They don't "declare war" on us. They just keep it a secret and before we know it, our buildings are gone.
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

Personally I can't understand why Americans just go on about how tragic 9.11 was, when their troops are dying every day in the supposedly already finished war on Iraq. I mean.. I do feel bad for the thousands of american citizens who lost their lives in the WTC incident, but who thinks about the tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians, and hundreds and again hundreds of homeless, scared "liberated" people, who lost half their family in the U.S invasion? :roll:
Sometimes I even get the strange impression that some Americans form some sort of mental link between 9.11 and Saddam. (not referring to this forum)
And we shouldn't of course forget about the COST of the unjustified war; according to costofwar.com well over 157 billion dollars (157 000 000 $) have been spent on nonsense.
I'd like to stress that nobody should get offended by anything I say. I do feel deeply sorry for the victims of terrorism in the USA and abroad as well..
If someone who reads this doesn't like what I wrote, then just ignore it from now on.. :)
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Post by Jaakko » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:34 pm

What's the link between Taliban and Saddam anyway? War on terrorism and war for oil source? I don't get it, enlighten me!

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Post by fifthtea_sausage » Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:41 am

Shaz.
Freedom fighter is even offensive to me. I mean these Al Qaeda people blew up my fellow countrymen and you refuse to acklowledge that they are terrorists? What kind of freedom were they fighting for? Freedom from the men and women who died on 9/11? They are terrorists...lets face it.

Secondly, 9/11 was a big deal because it was a terrorist attack. I mean if you think about it, like 90,000 people die from car accidents this year. More people were murdered in Washington DC during the invasion of iraq till now than actually died in Iraq. (Should we pull out of DC? lol).

Really the iraq death tolls are just a way of trying to attack the war in itself. THe actual figures aren't that horrible. And 9/11? It was just horrible because they were the twin towers - a symbol of new york. And it was done in such a horrible and dramatic way.

I mean I once again repeat that statistic for the amount of people who died in car accidents...just think about why the hype is around Iraq when so many people die every day from the automobile.

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Post by NeonVomit » Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:55 pm

Try telling the families of soldiers who died in Iraq that the casualties arent that horrible. Try telling the men & women who served in Iraq that, for whom the nightmares will never end. Their choice for joining the military? Maybe. But don't try to diminuate war losses. Comparing them to traffic accident statistics is a tad offensive to their memory.

Personally, maybe I don't agree with the reasons they're there, but the soldiers serving in Iraq have my undying respect.

And if you're so convinced it's the right thing that's being done there, why not sign up and join them? I've done national service, standing on the other side of a border where there are 30,000 other troops who don't like us very much. I've never been in a combat situation, but I've been close enough to taste the fear. You want some as well?
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Post by fifthtea_sausage » Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:03 pm

Try telling the families of soldiers who died in Iraq that the casualties arent that horrible. Try telling the men & women who served in Iraq that, for whom the nightmares will never end. Their choice for joining the military? Maybe. But don't try to diminuate war losses. Comparing them to traffic accident statistics is a tad offensive to their memory.
Of course death is always bad. But in the grand scheme of things, the death toll, though still regrettable, is not as out-of-control as the left media portrays it as.

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Post by khamael » Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:46 pm

Jaakko wrote:What's the link between Taliban and Saddam anyway? War on terrorism and war for oil source? I don't get it, enlighten me!

Yeah.............
Btw, reading Jens'squotes; Eisenhower was a great man...sadly people like him"dont grow uplike mushroms".... :wink:

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Post by NeonVomit » Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:06 am

fifthtea_sausage wrote:]

Of course death is always bad. But in the grand scheme of things, the death toll, though still regrettable, is not as out-of-control as the left media portrays it as.
They could have been avoided. It's painful to lose a loved one, even more so if they died for nothing.
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Post by Fireblade » Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:13 am

NordicStorm wrote:
Those who are cold and not clothed should dress warm and feed themselves.
Wow, that's the most succinct summing up of compassionate conservatism I've ever seen.
Doesn't it make your heart feel all warm and give you hope for the future?

Jaakko, I think the link is that both are Muslim fundamentalists. If you can't get one, get the other, and most of your people can't tell the difference anyway.

I think the greatest terrorist act of the past decade is the tens of thousands of CIVILIANS who died in Afghanistan.

I think I have never heard anything more barbaric than dropping packages on civilians, and letting them guess if it's a bomb or a "humanitarian" food package. Beats the hell out of flying planes into buildings.

Ooopsie, forgot, they're not Americans so it's OK to kill them in the name of Justice.

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Post by fifthtea_sausage » Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:53 am

Fireblade, what the he(ck) are you talking about?
I can't tell if its sarcasm or not.
Killing civilians by dropping food packages on their heads?
What?!

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Post by Ricardo_Christyan » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:04 pm

fifthtea_sausage wrote: Killing civilians by dropping food packages on their heads?
What?!
Huahuauhah :lol:

It´s a highly effective weapon. I heard that they will use this on Iran this year...

Yeah! Yeah! Nuke those fucking terrorists right in their heads!!!

Bring 'em on !!!!! :lol:

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Re: US politics and iraq

Post by Just a Vampire » Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:04 pm

I understand that most of the US politics points to the terror. I also guess that war and terror are unnecesary, especially 'cause I live ina violent country. And the UN is a great idea, but just a few countries apply it. and is great that Eisenhower said that.
But the problem is: US needs to have control of their neighbors, and needs resources and petroleum. And GWB, trying to get that, isn't afraid of begin a war. Besides, US doesn't had a war in their land since a long time ago, so the government doesn't knows how do you feel when your people and things are in 1000 pieces; and think that is really easy begin a war in other countries 'cause they won't feel the bombs and all that shit.
US remembered that in the 11-s, and I'm not happy about that 'cause a lot of innocent people had to die in a few seconds because their politicians, but I guess that was a lil' useful to make them know how people feels with violence in their doors. US didn't know how to handle that, and now the entire world is in danger.

those are just my two cents

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