god masturbates

[NordicStorm]

i.e. having sex withough having a child as a result? Nice.

Well, having sex without the intent of producing a child, rather.

The Bible may be God's word, but bear in mind a lot of it deals with the world about 3000 years ago. Times have changed, I'm pretty sure God understands that.

It's not so much God's word, as it is God's word, as written by men...
It is also important to realize that the Bible has been written over a span of several centuries, if not millennia, and that the God as described in the Bible is in fact several different gods. The stories in the Bible aren't even ordered in the order they were written. The story of Adam and Eve is much younger than Exodus, for example. Moses had never heard of Adam and Eve. The god named "El" is not the same god as "YHWH", they are in fact different gods (not to mention there are several gods named "El" existing in the region at various times) that only later have been transmorphed into the same god. It goes a long way to explain much of the inconsistencies and repetition in the Bible, it's a mish-mash of stories written at different times, reflecting different needs and cultures, drawing upon different influences and describing different gods.
So when "God" kills Onan, it's because reproduction and thus ensuring the survival of the tribe is the primary objective, and straying from that objective is bad. Veeeery bad.
Likewise when "God" disallows homosexuality, it's not because "God" hates gays, it's because homosexuality couldn't produce children.
Is any of that relevant today? Nope.

Edit: I should also add that some scholars theorize the passage condemning homosexuality I'm refering to above ("Thou shalt not lie with a man as thou would with a woman" or something to do that effect. It's in Leviticus somewhere.) does not in fact condemn homosexuality, but rather the act of so called sacred prostitution, that was commonplace in competing religions in the region at the time.

[khamael]

Glad to see that sometime people like Nordic post in here! There's still hope.

[NeonVomit]

I agree with some of what you said, nordicstorm. My main point is that times have changed, and so have ideas and perceptions of what is good and bad.

[CottonCandy]

It says in the Bible that God made Mankind in His Image so.......
What does that tell ya?

[Twilightsymphony]

It says in the Bible that God made Mankind in His Image so.......
What does that tell ya?

god was a jerk?

[Beast_Pete]

(1979+15)

It says in the Bible that God made Mankind in His Image so.......
What does that tell ya?

god was a jerk?

Nope, it doesn't. It means, that I am Mankind. [/egoism]

[Jabi]

What happens to Onan?

God kills him.

That I didn't know.

I'm gonna dedicate my next wank to the memory of Onan.

[Equinox]

As for God killing Onan... talk about an all-loving God

God is love. But he possessed justice wisdom and power.

Ur mother would punish u for doing something wrong..wouldn't her?

It's the same with ur God.

Anyway...who's this Onan?

[NeonVomit]

Oh well. Times change. Religion does as well.

[Twilight Legionnaire]

Oh well. Times change. Religion does as well.

You mean it SHOULD change, right?

Some do. Others stick to their roots and become old.

[NeonVomit]

I guess I could be classified as a 'Progressive Christian' then...

[Equinox]

Perhaps religion change by itself. Or..themselves.
The Bible has not change. And never will. Nor God will....He's the same, the same God, the Same principles.

[Stealth]

As for God killing Onan... talk about an all-loving God

God is love. But he possessed justice wisdom and power.

Ur mother would punish u for doing something wrong..wouldn't her?

It's the same with ur God.

As an act of love, my mother would punish me so that my behaviour might improve in the future; she would not kill me. The love she feels for me would not allow her to kill me.

God is supposed to be perfect and almighty. And yet, Onan was not perfect (whoever he was). A being (in this case God) who is unable to create perfect beings is not perfect and almighty. On the other hand, if God is able to create perfect, loving and gentle creatures but doesn't (i.e. chooses not to), he is not all-loving. Some people say that we are not perfect because God wants us to learn lessons in life.... But if he is perfect, why not save us the trouble and make us perfect as well so that we don't need to suffer along the way?

Equinox, you said "it's the same with ur God". I don't have a problem at all with people believing in God, but I wouldn't call it my God because I'm atheist. In any case, it is your God And that's good enough for both of us

[NordicStorm]

The Bible has not change. And never will. Nor God will....He's the same, the same God, the Same principles.

On the contrary, the Bible has changed quite a lot over the years. Books have been removed, added, re-arranged, translated and re-translated. Not to mention the differences between the Bibles of various Christian denominations (e.g. the Apocrypha). The New Testament didn't even exist for several hundred years after Jesus' crucifixion. (The same holds true for the Old Testament, for that matter. Some early forms of Christianity rejected altogether all the books we now know as the Old Testament.)
I think it's important to emphasise that the Bible is a compilation of almost arbitrarily chosen writings, some of which have absolutely nothing to do with one another (such as Moses and Creation, as I mentioned above). Furthermore, these writings were compiled (and written) by men, not God.

And as for God not changing...do read my post above. The Biblical God is a composite of numerous other gods. As "he" absorbs other gods, he gains new traits and new powers. That's why he can kill Onan for "spilling his seed" and still be all-loving, it's not the same god!

The truth of the matter is that most of these writings make very little sense unless you view them in their historical context. Such as the story of Onan, for example. That story served its purpose at the time it was written. It bears no relevance in the 21st century, however.
That is not to say that there aren't parts of the Bible that aren't relevant today. I would dare say most of Jesus' teachings are.

Glad to see that sometime people like Nordic post in here! There's still hope.

That's very kind of you to say, but you shouldn't encourage me. My ego will run amok!

[NeonVomit]

I thought it already has

[Stealth]

Glad to see that sometime people like Nordic post in here! There's still hope.

That's very kind of you to say, but you shouldn't encourage me. My ego will run amok!

Well then, if it makes you feel better, I don't agree with your posts
Nevertheless, it's good to see that we can post different opinions without starting a war.

[Equinox]

As an act of love, my mother would punish me so that my behaviour might improve in the future; she would not kill me. The love she feels for me would not allow her to kill me.

As I say, I don't really the history of Onan...I don't even know who's that guy, I am not very familiar with the Bible in English, so I cannot tell u what I think....but...if u know an exact text in the Bible, it would be very handy!

God is supposed to be perfect and almighty. And yet, Onan was not perfect (whoever he was). A being (in this case God) who is unable to create perfect beings is not perfect and almighty. On the other hand, if God is able to create perfect, loving and gentle creatures but doesn't (i.e. chooses not to), he is not all-loving. Some people say that we are not perfect because God wants us to learn lessons in life.... But if he is perfect, why not save us the trouble and make us perfect as well so that we don't need to suffer along the way?

God IS perfect and almighty (not like Rhapsody! ) and He did created perfect beings...but the human chosed not to be. But u are atheist, so I won't tell u the whole story 'cuz I know u won't change ur mind. So..I better keep it cool!

Equinox, you said "it's the same with ur God". I don't have a problem at all with people believing in God, but I wouldn't call it my God because I'm atheist. In any case, it is your God And that's good enough for both of us

Oh, I'm sorry. Ok...now with NordicStorm

On the contrary, the Bible has changed quite a lot over the years. Books have been removed, added, re-arranged, translated and re-translated. Not to mention the differences between the Bibles of various Christian denominations (e.g. the Apocrypha). The New Testament didn't even exist for several hundred years after Jesus' crucifixion. (The same holds true for the Old Testament, for that matter. Some early forms of Christianity rejected altogether all the books we now know as the Old Testament.)

My friend, I must disagree with u here, why? 'cuz if u go to the first writings, not what a guy wrote in 17XX, but on those papyrus thingys found in caves and mountains, u'll find that there are couple of Bibles out there that really say what they should say, and not even change God's name into Lord, or whatever.

I think it's important to emphasise that the Bible is a compilation of almost arbitrarily chosen writings, some of which have absolutely nothing to do with one another (such as Moses and Creation, as I mentioned above). Furthermore, these writings were compiled (and written) by men, not God.

True, there might be some books that have nothing to do with the others, but that's because they have nothing to do with the Bible itself, or shouldn't be there, how do I know this? just analize them, and u'll see the they doesn't match with the only topic of the Bible, which is the glorification of God's name, and to clean it.

And as for God not changing...do read my post above. The Biblical God is a composite of numerous other gods. As "he" absorbs other gods, he gains new traits and new powers. That's why he can kill Onan for "spilling his seed" and still be all-loving, it's not the same god!

On what are u based ? 'Cuz that'll be some kind of trinity.


P.S.

Yes! NordicStorm, u are the reincarnation of hope!

[shaz]

"God made it to be like that."
..and..
"It just happens to be that way."

Two different sentences, yet basically no fundamental difference when it comes to the message.

Just my opinion.

[NordicStorm]

My friend, I must disagree with u here, why? 'cuz if u go to the first writings, not what a guy wrote in 17XX, but on those papyrus thingys found in caves and mountains, u'll find that there are couple of Bibles out there that really say what they should say, and not even change God's name into Lord, or whatever.

Well, "what they should say" is subjective. Which is why there were numerous proposed Bibles within the early Christian community. And which is why there are differences in the Bibles of today as well. It doesn't really invalidate my point though. The Bible is a compilation of writings. Someone has chosen which writings to include in the Bible. That someone wasn't God, it was a human being / human beings. There is no such thing as a "true Bible" in that sense. None of those stories were written with the intent of being included in some larger work. Heck, I could sit down and pick and choose writings to include in a Bible of my own.

True, there might be some books that have nothing to do with the others, but that's because they have nothing to do with the Bible itself, or shouldn't be there, how do I know this? just analize them, and u'll see the they doesn't match with the only topic of the Bible, which is the glorification of God's name, and to clean it.

I mean they have nothing to do with each other in the sense that they were written independently of each other (some of them being written centuries apart), more often than not with the authors being unaware of the other writings. Like the example I mentioned above. At the time of Exodus, the story of Adam and Eve had not been written yet. Which is why Moses couldn't have possibly have heard of Adam and Eve.
And given that the writings were written independently of each other, during different time periods and cultures, it's really no wonder why there are so many inconsistencies and repetition in the Bible. You don't even have to buy my thesis - that the Christian God is a composite of other gods from various religions that have been assimilated into Judaism/Christianity - to realize that.

On what are u based ? 'Cuz that'll be some kind of trinity.

I'm sorry, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. My point was that the Biblical God isn't static, he's defined and re-defined throughout the Bible. The God on page 1 is not the same as on page 25 or 275. Even if you don't buy my composite God thesis, just a quick read of the Bible ought to reveal that God has changed as the times have changed. Which is why he can be both cruel and wicked and all-loving.
It is not relevant whether God really exists or not and what he/she/it is like, the point is that our understanding of God and what we need God to be has changed. Which is why, again, I think it's a silly exercise to read the Bible without considering the historical context, and which is why I don't believe much of the Bible, particularly the Old Testament, bears much relevance in today's society.

[Equinox]

Well, "what they should say" is subjective. Which is why there were numerous proposed Bibles within the early Christian community. And which is why there are differences in the Bibles of today as well. It doesn't really invalidate my point though. The Bible is a compilation of writings. Someone has chosen which writings to include in the Bible. That someone wasn't God, it was a human being / human beings. There is no such thing as a "true Bible" in that sense. None of those stories were written with the intent of being included in some larger work. Heck, I could sit down and pick and choose writings to include in a Bible of my own.

NordicStorm, u have to know and understand the main topic of the Bible to know which books should be in the Bible and which one shouldn't.
Yes, that's true, the were not intent to be included in a large book, that is just for our own good, it's cause by technology. But, I guess that each book Is the Bible. You could make ur own bible, but it wouldn't had the approvation of God.

I mean they have nothing to do with each other in the sense that they were written independently of each other (some of them being written centuries apart), more often than not with the authors being unaware of the other writings. Like the example I mentioned above. At the time of Exodus, the story of Adam and Eve had not been written yet. Which is why Moses couldn't have possibly have heard of Adam and Eve.

They were written independently, yeah, but each one is linked to another by the main topic. Both Exodus and Genesis were written by Moses.

And given that the writings were written independently of each other, during different time periods and cultures, it's really no wonder why there are so many inconsistencies and repetition in the Bible. You don't even have to buy my thesis - that the Christian God is a composite of other gods from various religions that have been assimilated into Judaism/Christianity - to realize that.

Just get a Bible and read Romans 15:4. It is to keep us alert and with those advices always "warn" in our minds.

Ok, I won't buy ur thesis. Jehovah comes from Christianity if I don't mistake.

My point was that the Biblical God isn't static, he's defined and re-defined throughout the Bible. The God on page 1 is not the same as on page 25 or 275. Even if you don't buy my composite God thesis, just a quick read of the Bible ought to reveal that God has changed as the times have changed. Which is why he can be both cruel and wicked and all-loving.

He does not change. But, try to prove ur point.

It is not relevant whether God really exists or not and what he/she/it is like, the point is that our understanding of God and what we need God to be has changed. Which is why, again, I think it's a silly exercise to read the Bible without considering the historical context, and which is why I don't believe much of the Bible, particularly the Old Testament, bears much relevance in today's society.

I don't understand. Why don't u write in Standar Written English?

[Equinox]

I would dare say most of Jesus' teachings are.

Then, if u belive in Jesus's words, go get the Bible again and read Jhon 17:3. Those are Jesus's words.

[iron_thunder]

god was a jerk?

No, just a jerk-off... OH MY GOD! I'M SO NOT FUNNY!

[khamael]

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REVELATION



now i know the truth.............nobody in the universe could say tha i'm wrong!!!!!




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is







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at least of the keys....

[Equinox]

god was a jerk?

No, just a jerk-off... OH MY GOD! I'M SO NOT FUNNY!

Well...at least, that makes u funny.

[NordicStorm]

NordicStorm, u have to know and understand the main topic of the Bible to know which books should be in the Bible and which one shouldn't.
Yes, that's true, the were not intent to be included in a large book, that is just for our own good, it's cause by technology. But, I guess that each book Is the Bible. You could make ur own bible, but it wouldn't had the approvation of God.

But that's my point exactly. There is no version of the Bible that has the "GOD Seal of Approval". It's man made from start to finish, and as such it is imperfect. As evidenced by the inconsistencies and the repetition.

They were written independently, yeah, but each one is linked to another by the main topic. Both Exodus and Genesis were written by Moses.

Genesis is believed to have several authors, or some form of editor (long after Moses' death, assuming he existed) compiling stories written earlier into one book.

Jehovah comes from Christianity if I don't mistake.

Your point being...?

He does not change. But, try to prove ur point.

I get the feeling we will have to agree to disagree here as well, but here goes:

Exodus 21:23-25
But if there is harm,then you shall pay life for life,
eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Matthew 5:38-39
"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'
But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."


Psalm 58:10
The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; he will bathe his feet in the blood of the wicked.

Proverbs 24:17-18
Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles,
lest the LORD see it and be displeased, and turn away his anger from him.

[htcdude]

But that's my point exactly. There is no version of the Bible that has the "GOD Seal of Approval". It's man made from start to finish, and as such it is imperfect. As evidenced by the inconsistencies and the repetition.

1 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed.

[NordicStorm]

The Book of Michael 5:6-7
Nordic ruleth,
so sayeth the Lord.

Aah yes, the Bible isn't man made, because it says in the Bible it isn't man made!
Likewise, Nordic's PowerBible 5000™ is the word of God, because it will say on the very first page that it is, in fact, the word of God.


(That's 2 Timothy btw, not 1 Timothy.)

[Twilightsymphony]

EDIT: I hate spam posts :>

[NordicStorm]

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Preliminary list of books to be included:

Introduction by Gore Vidal

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Sega Genesis
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Deodorantonomy
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Activist Judges
Babe Ruth
1 Samuel L Jackson
2 Samuel L Jackson
1 Chronicles of Riddick: Pitch Black
2 Chronicles of Riddick: Suckfest
Billy Joel
Amos, and Andrew
Fareed Zakaria
El Mariachi

NEW TESTAMENT
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Dude
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Preliminary release date:
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[StragOvariuS]

people, Masturbation is not a crime OR A SIN...its just a hobby or perverted ppl