WARMEST EUROPE IN 500 YEARS!!!!!

[browneyedgirl]

http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory ... /story.htm

DAMN!

Also, the Arctic ice is melting!!!!

http://www.physorg.com/news85069865.html

Global warming, or just coincidences. Whats your opinion?
You guys&gals who live in Europe&Russia, you know whats going on----so its a much milder Winter than normal?

[StratoTimo]

I've heard on the news that this kind of warm is about once at 100years. So this is not very special thing.
And we can live in earth many thousand years.
Don't worry, this is only a temporary.
Next winter will be much much more colder.

[NeonVomit]

It's been warm lately, that's for sure...

Weather's also been crazy.

Who's to say what it's about? when John Wayne caught the last train out... and Spock and Kirk, had enough... and no-one's left to beam me up...

gotta get back gotta get back gotta get back, I never meant to take it this far..

when everything you touch turns gold, wears you down makes you oh never mind I've lost my train of thought here (too much booze)

Yeah it's hot but again, who's to say what it's about...

[MetalAngel]

I don't think that there is a Global Warming, because in here, we are freeeezing!

[nepi]

I went somewhere only with a shirt at the end of november - that's definitively not normal!
I think our world is getting in the process of global warming. It will be hotter and hotter and that's only of our air pollution!

Have you ever been in China? The air there is incredible, you can't take a good breath (in the cities). Also in other countrys, the pollution has a level which is really unhealth!

I ever think, what will happen with our children, when we keep on walkin' this way?

[stratobabius]

I think that the weather has just lost its timing. The usually hot summer started in August instead of July, at least in this part of the world. So, winter will probably come next month, instead this.
(Not scientifically explained, but anyway... )

[Carcass]

The weather sure is crazy here, the first snow fell early and soon melted away. Now we haven't seen snow in a long time and it's almost Christmas! Some days I can ride my bike without my winter jacket. So I ask what the fuck is going on?

It would be madness to deny that the temperatures are rising, but is it caused by us, that is the question. I gather that the scientific community is more or less unanimous on this issue, they think we are to blame. But then again, if you ask a geologist he/she will say that this is a very mundane thing in the history of earth. Nothing out of the normal. Which is true, the weather and climate are not static at all. Recently the Earth witnessed the Little Ice Age, Thames froze, Viking settlers in Greenland dissappeared. A Flemish painter have some pieces where you can see an extremely harsh winter by today's standards:

They used to have frost fairs on the frozen river in London:

And before this there was something called the Medieval Warm Period in the Northern Atlantic region. So I'm not sure what to think.

[Carcass]

It's been warm lately, that's for sure...

Weather's also been crazy.

Who's to say what it's about? when John Wayne caught the last train out... and Spock and Kirk, had enough... and no-one's left to beam me up...

gotta get back gotta get back gotta get back, I never meant to take it this far..

when everything you touch turns gold, wears you down makes you oh never mind I've lost my train of thought here (too much booze)

Yeah it's hot but again, who's to say what it's about...

Huh?

[Carcass]

I went somewhere only with a shirt at the end of november - that's definitively not normal!
I think our world is getting in the process of global warming. It will be hotter and hotter and that's only of our air pollution!

Have you ever been in China? The air there is incredible, you can't take a good breath (in the cities). Also in other countrys, the pollution has a level which is really unhealth!

I ever think, what will happen with our children, when we keep on walkin' this way?

I'd say the wisest thing to do is to rely on the research results of the scientists who say the global warming is caused by our own gas emissions, I support the policy of reducing them. But the situation is quite frustrating when the biggest polluter in the world doesn't want to co-operate. Let's hope the result of the recent elections will make a difference.

Thinking that we are living the Last Days is a very destructive way of thinking, in the worst case it will lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy (if you know what I mean, don't know how it is in English).

[Stratofanius]

I voted "Nope".

We have enough snow here in northern Finland (maybe 25 cm?) and temperatures are again under zero.
Sure the rescent weather has been somewhat warm, but just think about it: some months ago we had almost -30 celcius here

And I DON'T BELIEVE to global warming very much

[Carcass]

And I DON'T BELIEVE to global warming very much

Go and ask the Inuits in northern Canada and islanders in the Pacific. They are already suffering the concequences of rising temperatures and sea levels.

[Shurik]

IT'S A GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!

For those who have seen this episode of South Park

[browneyedgirl]

I think that the weather has just lost its timing. The usually hot summer started in August instead of July, at least in this part of the world. So, winter will probably come next month, instead this.
(Not scientifically explained, but anyway... )

Thats true. Here in the Southern USA we get our coldest weather in January&February, so that will tell the tale.
This past Summer was the second hottest on record here---even the older folks were discussing it&my parents(70s)have said the weather these days has gone berserk. So, SOMETHING is happening!!!

[StratoTimo]

And I DON'T BELIEVE to global warming very much

Me neither! And that's it!

[NeonVomit]

It's been warm lately, that's for sure...

Weather's also been crazy.

Who's to say what it's about? when John Wayne caught the last train out... and Spock and Kirk, had enough... and no-one's left to beam me up...

gotta get back gotta get back gotta get back, I never meant to take it this far..

when everything you touch turns gold, wears you down makes you oh never mind I've lost my train of thought here (too much booze)

Yeah it's hot but again, who's to say what it's about...

Huh?

I was drunk. Never mind

[Carcass]

To believe we are living in the last days is not destructive, but realistic.

If somebody forges his policies according to this belief it can be very destructive. "The Last Days are here, we don't need to the protect the environment, environmental problems are just one of the Signs. Guided by God, we will achieve the restoration of peace to the world..."

If anyone wants to hide their head in the sand&disbelieve what will eventually happen, just go right ahead. Only time will tell.

I'm not saying the future will be a walk in the park. Time will tell, but it is we who should act to prevent what eventually could (not will) happen. Not wait for the Armageddon with glee, as some Christians pervertedly do.

I know it makes life somewhat easier to disbelieve in a higher power at the helm.

On the contrary.

However, MANKIND is definitely the culprit here&hopefully its not too late to do some good for future generations. Even us hated and ridiculed God-believers have hope!

This problem is for us to solve, you seem to agree, I'm happy for that. I believe no higher power will come and suck the greenhouse gases from the atmosphere, it is our mission to cut the emissions and take the damage we, judging by research results, have already done.

I don't hate Christians. But I can have a real problem with the views of fundamentalists who literally believe in an over sized alpha male sitting on a cloud. If they keep their believes to themselves, I don't mind, that is perfectly fine. It becomes a problem when they act and shoot abortionists or openly damn the souls of AIDS patients to Hell, this is where the line comes.

[Carcass]

And I DON'T BELIEVE to global warming very much

Me neither! And that's it!

This diagram is pretty hard to ignore:

[Stratofanius]

Whatever you try to prove, Caracass, everyone still DOESN'T HAVE TO BELIEVE TO GLOBAL WARMING, and that's it :tired:

[NeonVomit]

Whatever you try to prove, Caracass, everyone still DOESN'T HAVE TO BELIEVE TO GLOBAL WARMING, and that's it :tired:

Just like everyone doesn't have to believe in God or religion.

Now, which has more proof for it though...

[Carcass]

Whatever you try to prove, Caracass, everyone still DOESN'T HAVE TO BELIEVE TO GLOBAL WARMING, and that's it :tired:

Of course you don't have to believe, dude. But can you look at the curve and say it's not rising? Where do you think all this data came from, my ass?

[stratobabius]

There's something else to consider too:
What was happening on this planet more than 500 years ago that the temperature was as high as today? I'm sure scientists know how to measure these types of things (before anyone says, that's not possible )

[Carcass]

Thats not the way it is, but its simply evident you were not raised by God-believing people or in a country that actively teaches a belief in God.

In fact you are wrong. I went to sunday school as a kid and went to the confirmation camp (don't know if you have something like this in the states). In Finland the church is not separated from the state. We've prayed in school and we have religion as a subject. My parents are religious, my father more than my mother. Neither of them frequently visit the church, but they do pay taxes to the Lutheran Church.

However, you have no problems with Pagans or atheists who express THEIR views&ram them down peoples throat.

No, that's not true either. Free Thinkers for example are just as unpleasent as other converters.

And yes life is easier for people who are Anti-God. Atheism&not believing in God is the cool thing these days.

Yes, maybe in terms of trendiness. What I had in mind was that religious people's moral code is derived from their holy texts and traditions instead of seriously contemplating on ethical issues. But I'm not saying this is the case with each and every religious person.

Jst have a Band member spout off his non-beliefs in God&3/4 of the Forum will jump on the "hating God" bandwagon. Of course the opposite is true, too--if a band member were to get "saved" we'd have mass conversions in here!

Yes, I can picture that!

And Christians&God-believes DON'T look forward to Armageddon with Glee--Where the Hell did you come up with that notion? Have you talked with TT or something?

There are some, believe me. My sometimes nutty dad being one of them.

On the contrary, it is going to be a very sad day, and the only rason some people maybe happy is that all the wrongs WILL be righted&the world WILL be made brand new. I can understand if that thought scares you, though because liars, and people who do all manner of very bad things will have the judgement of God to deal with. Everyone. Sorry to disappoint you, but no one is going to escape God's judgment, not even the most popular or idolized of this world.

About 6 years ago these words would've made me shit in my pants, but not anymore. Seriously, I don't believe in any of this. How could God damn the souls of millions of hindus, muslims, buddhists, atheists to Hell? Beats me!

And yes, God-believers are hated, rejected&ridiculed. We have the same feelings&emotions(and yes, we even like sex&booze), yet most of us are treated like lepers, unlike the Pagans&unbelievers who preach THEIR intolerance toward us and are readily accepted.

Don't equate big mouthed atheists with every single person who is not religious.

Ted Haggard would agree with that booze and sex part!

@Carcass, you don't know what you are talking about when you judge God-believers.

I don't think I'm judging Christianity or God-believers. Many aspects of Christianity are very admirable. However, I might have some problems with people taking their practice of religion outside their homes and churches; but only in extreme cases.

Religious motivation for discrimination of homosexuals, for example, is something I do judge. If you think that this is judging God-believers in general, then I don't know what to say... I guess that's your perception of me.

You know about music, bands, science&psychology, but when it comes to Christianity, it takes a peson who believes to judge it,baby.

That doesn't make sense to me. If a person judges something, certainly he/she has to be outside the system that is being judged. Would a communist judge communism? But for the sake of clarity I'll say it once more: I'm not judging Christianity.

[browneyedgirl]

There's something else to consider too:
What was happening on this planet more than 500 years ago that the temperature was as high as today? I'm sure scientists know how to measure these types of things (before anyone says, that's not possible )

Like I stated in Tolkki's forum, there is a theory that says it got much hotter on the Earth before the Great Ice Age commenced. Who knows? Maybe this is what is happening.
After all, a star gets much hotter, before it cools&dies. Maybe this is how the Earth's cycle as a planet is, also.

[Carcass]

Also, I don't consider myself an atheist. I prefer to call myself an agnostic, partly to distance myself from those loud-mouthed atheists I mentioned above. To you it might seem like I'm splitting hairs, but to me making this difference is important.

Agnosticism (from the Greek a, meaning "without" and gnosis, "knowledge", translating to unknowable) is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly theological claims regarding metaphysics, afterlife or the existence of God, god(s), or deities — is unknown or (possibly) inherently unknowable. Some agnostics take a stronger view that the concept of a deity is incoherent, thus meaningless and irrelevant to life. The term is used to describe those who are unconvinced or noncommittal about the existence of deities as well as about other matters of religion.

Without thoroughly contemplating on this, I could say that I subscribe to one certain brand of agnosticism: apathetic agnosticism, apart from the last sentence.

1. The existence of a Supreme Being is unknown and unknowable.

To believe in the existence of a god is an act of faith. To believe in the nonexistence of a god is likewise an act of faith. There is no evidence that there is a Supreme Being nor is there evidence there is not a Supreme Being. Faith is not knowledge. We can only state with assurance that we do not know.

2. If there is a Supreme Being, then that being appears to act as if apathetic to events in our universe.

All events in our Universe, including its creation, can be explained with or without the existence of a Supreme Being. Thus, if there is indeed a God, then that god has had no more impact than no god at all. To all appearances, any purported Supreme Being is indifferent to our Universe and to its inhabitants.

3. We are apathetic to the existence or nonexistence of a Supreme Being.

If there is a God, and that God does not appear to care, then there is no reason to concern ourselves with whether or not a Supreme Being exists, nor should we have any interest in satisfying the purported needs of that Supreme Being. However, our apathy to the question of God's existence does not necessarily mean we are apathetic about promoting agnosticism.

[browneyedgirl]

@Carcass, honey, take a Xanax and calm down. Nobody seriously worries about or cares what you, or I, or anyone, believes. Its not for people to care, its not PEOPLE we have to please---I think that is one good thing I learned being a God-believer, one belief that has helped my self-esteem.

But, I am interested in your opinion about the Ice Age theory I posted above!

[Jabi]

Maybe Europe will cool down when miditek stops flaming it.

[miditek]

Maybe Europe will cool down when miditek stops flaming it.

In time, I think it's going to get a whole lot warmer, at least for the athesists.

[NeonVomit]

Maybe Europe will cool down when miditek stops flaming it.

In time, I think it's going to get a whole lot warmer, at least for the athesists.

And if it turns out that the Hindus were right all along, it's gonna get interesting

[browneyedgirl]

Maybe Europe will cool down when miditek stops flaming it.

To go tit for tat on that sarcasm, I wish Europes&SA would stop flaming USA because it would be great to have a white X-mas for once!

@Miditek, +10 for that.

@NeonVomit, or Church of Christ! I bet Miditek is the only one who will understand that jab(what it means)!

[NeonVomit]

Maybe Europe will cool down when miditek stops flaming it.

To go tit for tat on that sarcasm, I wish Europes&SA would stop flaming USA because it would be great to have a white X-mas for once!

@Miditek, +10 for that.

@NeonVomit, or Church of Christ! I bet Miditek is the only one who will understand that jab(what it means)!

There's a bunch of those loonies based near my sister's place... creepy