New Edguy album - Tinnitus Sanctus - 14 November

[RazielSR]

Hey black death and icecab, as we have very different opinions about music and this album...it's better (at least for me) to stop talking about it.

We are very different as I can see and I'm not gonna start over and over again a "fight" about this bad album and how Sammet is a rockstar wannabe.

For me Edguy is no more, while they keep making bad rock music.

You and all the people who like the new album or understand this new Edguy situation, can enjoy a lot and have fun and say that he is not copying Bon Jovi and all the things that you think. But I'm really tired about these conversations.

So, have a nice day...
...and bye bye Edguy for now. I don't like his new rockishwannabebonjo style and I don't wanna waste my time.

[icecab21]

Do you call all classical piano players copies of your favorite classical pianist?

[AGAG]

Do you call all classical piano players copies of your favorite classical pianist?

Well, many of them develop their own styles and play each piece differently, cziffra for example could play the same piece 10 times each with a different approach, so did horowitz and many others... As for rock, you can also hear that even when bands make covers, they always keep their own style in their music, for example, Cradle of filth's cover of MAiden's hallowed be thy name... SA's cover of helloween's I want out, and many many others...

So I guess that if Sammet wants to make music, it should be with his own "style" not trying to mimic every fucking detail out of other bands or singers...

I've heard the cd and I don't think it's a Bon jovi wanna be cd... however it still is dissapointing, I miss the old Edguy as I miss the old Helloween...

[icecab21]

It’s fine if people like or don't like music; I just don't like the word copy since it's inaccurate unless there are very loose definitions. It’s sort of like saying "children in Africa want to have shoes, they just want to copy us and are wannabe first world citizens"

[Lurdi]

It’s fine if people like or don't like music; I just don't like the word copy since it's inaccurate unless there are very loose definitions. It’s sort of like saying "children in Africa want to have shoes, they just want to copy us and are wannabe first world citizens"

Don't be so radical icecab. They wouldn't be copying anybody if Edguy had been a rock band from the very beginning. In my opinion he was much more authentic at the beginning. It's all about their music. The way they dress, the way they behave, I don't really give a damn. But you have clear evidence in front of your ears and don't wanna see it! Icecab, tell me, don't you think they have changed their music style in this last album?

[Ragehead91]

It’s fine if people like or don't like music; I just don't like the word copy since it's inaccurate unless there are very loose definitions. It’s sort of like saying "children in Africa want to have shoes, they just want to copy us and are wannabe first world citizens"

Don't be so radical icecab. They wouldn't be copying anybody if Edguy had been a rock band from the very beginning. In my opinion he was much more authentic at the beginning. It's all about their music. The way they dress, the way they behave, I don't really give a damn. But you have clear evidence in front of your ears and don't wanna see it! Icecab, tell me, don't you think they have changed their music style in this last album?

They've changed since Hellfire Club. nn my opinion Hellfireclub was different, but still god. Everything that came afterwards was in my opinion bad. I don't like Rocket Ride at all (exept Sacrifice and Judas at the Opera) and I also don't like this one for the reasons RazielSR pointed out and he is completly right about that.

[AGAG]

I agree, Something happened and Edguy's style changed, now they "maybe" are trying to copy someone else, I mean who wouldn't like to be a rockstar?

[Lurdi]

It’s fine if people like or don't like music; I just don't like the word copy since it's inaccurate unless there are very loose definitions. It’s sort of like saying "children in Africa want to have shoes, they just want to copy us and are wannabe first world citizens"

Don't be so radical icecab. They wouldn't be copying anybody if Edguy had been a rock band from the very beginning. In my opinion he was much more authentic at the beginning. It's all about their music. The way they dress, the way they behave, I don't really give a damn. But you have clear evidence in front of your ears and don't wanna see it! Icecab, tell me, don't you think they have changed their music style in this last album?

They've changed since Hellfire Club. nn my opinion Hellfireclub was different, but still god. Everything that came afterwards was in my opinion bad. I don't like Rocket Ride at all (exept Sacrifice and Judas at the Opera) and I also don't like this one for the reasons RazielSR pointed out and he is completly right about that.

Yes guy, maybe this is a different album and the next one is back to the roots. Just commpare tears of a mandrake or The pharaoh to 1 song of the Ministry of saints album, They have nothing to do.
Even All the clowns which was a bit different, is an amazing song. And to me, Thorn without a rose or sth like that, is very similar to Save me. Nothing on earth can compare to Stratovarius ballads, although save me is a good one.

[Ragehead91]

It’s fine if people like or don't like music; I just don't like the word copy since it's inaccurate unless there are very loose definitions. It’s sort of like saying "children in Africa want to have shoes, they just want to copy us and are wannabe first world citizens"

Don't be so radical icecab. They wouldn't be copying anybody if Edguy had been a rock band from the very beginning. In my opinion he was much more authentic at the beginning. It's all about their music. The way they dress, the way they behave, I don't really give a damn. But you have clear evidence in front of your ears and don't wanna see it! Icecab, tell me, don't you think they have changed their music style in this last album?

They've changed since Hellfire Club. nn my opinion Hellfireclub was different, but still god. Everything that came afterwards was in my opinion bad. I don't like Rocket Ride at all (exept Sacrifice and Judas at the Opera) and I also don't like this one for the reasons RazielSR pointed out and he is completly right about that.

Yes guy, maybe this is a different album and the next one is back to the roots. Just commpare tears of a mandrake or The pharaoh to 1 song of the Ministry of saints album, They have nothing to do.
Even All the clowns which was a bit different, is an amazing song. And to me, Thorn without a rose or sth like that, is very similar to Save me. Nothing on earth can compare to Stratovarius ballads, although save me is a good one.

So what do you mean? That the next Album will be back to the roots again? Not offensive, but I am a bit confused.

[icecab21]

I’m not being radical, I’m being technical.
The new cd has rock influences from the last decades of music in a couple songs; I don't think bon jovi can be singled out as the only band edguy likes and the only one that influenced the few songs of new material that are in the same genre
Bon jovi has performed music from glam to orchestra to country to I don’t know what bon jovi would sound like. The image bon jovi has never has been fashion forward but always trend following. Their image is also one of the New Jersey patriotic homegrown heroes, an image that a band from Germany simply can’t have.


There is a huge difference between a rock album or part rock album and being bon jovi and wanting to be bon jovi. Instrumentally there are too many differences for it to be called anything beyond similar genre to me. Bon jovi does not use the same type of melodies that edguy uses.

Listen to those demos like evil minded, those songs are rock as well and that's what the band started as.

[Lurdi]

It’s fine if people like or don't like music; I just don't like the word copy since it's inaccurate unless there are very loose definitions. It’s sort of like saying "children in Africa want to have shoes, they just want to copy us and are wannabe first world citizens"

Don't be so radical icecab. They wouldn't be copying anybody if Edguy had been a rock band from the very beginning. In my opinion he was much more authentic at the beginning. It's all about their music. The way they dress, the way they behave, I don't really give a damn. But you have clear evidence in front of your ears and don't wanna see it! Icecab, tell me, don't you think they have changed their music style in this last album?

They've changed since Hellfire Club. nn my opinion Hellfireclub was different, but still god. Everything that came afterwards was in my opinion bad. I don't like Rocket Ride at all (exept Sacrifice and Judas at the Opera) and I also don't like this one for the reasons RazielSR pointed out and he is completly right about that.

Yes guy, maybe this is a different album and the next one is back to the roots. Just commpare tears of a mandrake or The pharaoh to 1 song of the Ministry of saints album, They have nothing to do.
Even All the clowns which was a bit different, is an amazing song. And to me, Thorn without a rose or sth like that, is very similar to Save me. Nothing on earth can compare to Stratovarius ballads, although save me is a good one.

So what do you mean? That the next Album will be back to the roots again? Not offensive, but I am a bit confused.

I meant that maybe the next one is again back to the roots. I don't know, it's just an opinion, that's what I would like to happen, because personally I am not going to enjoy this album, so for me it's like spending 3 or 4 years without a new album, since Rocket Ride...The fact of changing again their style and going back to the roots...Will it depend on the success? IMHO Ministry of Saints is maybe a transition album. Many bands have transition albums...It's ok for them if they want to undergo a series of changes and transformations.

[icecab21]

If they are writing songs with the backstreet boys songwriters and singing country duets on cmt we will know they have made it one step further on their transformation. Since this is Tobias favorite album, i'm not sure how much back towards the old material the band would go.

[Ragehead91]

It’s fine if people like or don't like music; I just don't like the word copy since it's inaccurate unless there are very loose definitions. It’s sort of like saying "children in Africa want to have shoes, they just want to copy us and are wannabe first world citizens"

Don't be so radical icecab. They wouldn't be copying anybody if Edguy had been a rock band from the very beginning. In my opinion he was much more authentic at the beginning. It's all about their music. The way they dress, the way they behave, I don't really give a damn. But you have clear evidence in front of your ears and don't wanna see it! Icecab, tell me, don't you think they have changed their music style in this last album?

They've changed since Hellfire Club. nn my opinion Hellfireclub was different, but still god. Everything that came afterwards was in my opinion bad. I don't like Rocket Ride at all (exept Sacrifice and Judas at the Opera) and I also don't like this one for the reasons RazielSR pointed out and he is completly right about that.

Yes guy, maybe this is a different album and the next one is back to the roots. Just commpare tears of a mandrake or The pharaoh to 1 song of the Ministry of saints album, They have nothing to do.
Even All the clowns which was a bit different, is an amazing song. And to me, Thorn without a rose or sth like that, is very similar to Save me. Nothing on earth can compare to Stratovarius ballads, although save me is a good one.

So what do you mean? That the next Album will be back to the roots again? Not offensive, but I am a bit confused.

I meant that maybe the next one is again back to the roots. I don't know, it's just an opinion, that's what I would like to happen, because personally I am not going to enjoy this album, so for me it's like spending 3 or 4 years without a new album, since Rocket Ride...The fact of changing again their style and going back to the roots...Will it depend on the success? IMHO Ministry of Saints is maybe a transition album. Many bands have transition albums...It's ok for them if they want to undergo a series of changes and transformations.

Okay, now I understand. I also hope that, but I don't really see that happen with the attitude Sammet has towards ppl who dislike his stuff. For me it will be 6 years without a new Album since Hellfire club since I already disliked Rocket Ride very much.

[AGAG]

Well, he said "orchestra" that may be a good sign

[Ragehead91]

Well, he said "orchestra" that may be a good sign

Maybe. I would like to hear a song like "The Spirit will Remain". I really love that one.

[icecab21]

bon jovi has used orchrestra before so it would fit right in with the 6 degrees from bon jovi game. it can all be part of a report on how all music made by people who want to be keven bacon.

[Lurdi]

bon jovi has used orchrestra before so it would fit right in with the 6 degrees from bon jovi game. it can all be part of a report on how all music made by people who want to be keven bacon.

well, don't you see he's trying to copy bon jovi then?

[icecab21]

In general, I find some of the ways people talk about music to be too over generalized and too focused on grouping than listening to the details. It’s sort of like with taxonomy of just looking at the kingdom instead of exploring further down the list. In a way I just don't like branding and just think there are politer ways to speak a opinion without calling something wannabe or copy.

[black death]

bon jovi has used orchrestra before so it would fit right in with the 6 degrees from bon jovi game. it can all be part of a report on how all music made by people who want to be keven bacon.

well, don't you see he's trying to copy bon jovi then?

[fernandotcl]

And yet, I have the ticket for their concert in february in my hands now.

I can only say I hope the number of tracks from Tinnitus Sanctus in the setlist will be kept to a minimum.

[nepi]

And yet, I have the ticket for their concert in february in my hands now.

I can only say I hope the number of tracks from Tinnitus Sanctus in the setlist will be kept to a minimum.

I'm gonna see them next week...
well, songs like ministry of saints or dragonfly are quite asskickin' and I think they rock pretty hard....

however, looking forward

[fernandotcl]

After listening to the album a couple times more, I think Dragonfly and The Pride Of Creation are good songs. But yea, in my opinion, the album doesn't get even close to the Theather Of Salvation era.

[NeverendingAbyss]

After listening to the album a couple times more, I think Dragonfly and The Pride Of Creation are good songs. But yea, in my opinion, the album doesn't get even close to the Theather Of Salvation era.

Same, dude. That age was golden!

[black death]

I can only say I hope the number of tracks from Tinnitus Sanctus in the setlist will be kept to a minimum.

I found a recent setlist:

01 - Dead or Rock
02 - Speedhoven
03 - Tears of a Mandrake
04 - Until we rise again
05 - The pharaoh
06 - Ministry of Saints
07 - Drum solo
08 - Pride of creation
09 - The headless game
10 - Save Me
11 - Superheroes
12 - Out of control
13 - Lavatory love machine
14 - King of fools

Well, there are cool songs which weren't played a long time (The Pharaoh ), but those from Tinnitus Sanctus...they couldn't make a worse choice :pissed5:

[Ragehead91]

Until We Rise Again and The Pharao ? This is surprising. But appart from that the Setlist is lame.

[nepi]

After listening to the album a couple times more, I think Dragonfly and The Pride Of Creation are good songs. But yea, in my opinion, the album doesn't get even close to the Theather Of Salvation era.

Theater of Salvation is their masterpiece so it's quite difficult to compare with it

I found a recent setlist:

01 - Dead or Rock
02 - Speedhoven
03 - Tears of a Mandrake
04 - Until we rise again
05 - The pharaoh
06 - Ministry of Saints
07 - Drum solo
08 - Pride of creation
09 - The headless game
10 - Save Me
11 - Superheroes
12 - Out of control
13 - Lavatory love machine
14 - King of fools

Well, there are cool songs which weren't played a long time (The Pharaoh Twisted Evil ), but those from Tinnitus Sanctus...they couldn't make a worse choice New_burnup_smilie

some songs really looking interesting! Though I'd rather change Save me, lavatory and superheroes with other great songs...

and where the heck is Vain Glory Opera?????? Gosh...

[black death]

some songs really looking interesting! Though I'd rather change Save me, lavatory and superheroes with other great songs...

and where the heck is Vain Glory Opera?????? Gosh...

Exactly my words...

[icecab21]

now for me the drum solo is something to get rid of. i'm not sure why they would not play vgo since it's their most popular song. i'm not sure why they don't make more songs like vgo since making a variation of a hit is a lot more profitable than making a variation of songs that don't become hits.

im not sure how the fans favorites from ts could be their worse choice. from votes and statistics i have seen their new songs should be

dragonfly
ministry
929
speed
pride

the band plays three out of those

[nepi]

now for me the drum solo is something to get rid of. i'm not sure why they would not play vgo since it's their most popular song. i'm not sure why they don't make more songs like vgo since making a variation of a hit is a lot more profitable than making a variation of songs that don't become hits.

I see this things from another point of view. If a band just copies itself it gets quite boring. Now, Edguy has this great song and it stands alone in Edguy's repetoire so it still is a big hit. If they had composed more like VGO, VGO wouldn't be so interesting and great like it is now....

[fernandotcl]

And I thought they played Land Of The Miracle in every concert...

Anyways, that's not a bad setlist. Oh man and I love The Pharaoh! I think they might play an Avantasia song as well, they did that in the past. But if that happens, it's probably going to be something like Lost In Space instead of something like Reach Out For The Light, unfortunately, heh.

I'd love to see The Unbeliever, Arrows Fly, Holy Shadows and Painting On The Wall live, among so many others...