Helloween to release "Unarmed - Best Of 25th Anniversar

[Florian]

The Dr Stein video is well made and funny but I can't stand this version, with this saxophone crap.

[Mehida]

Some people like it ( thousands!), some people hate it ( a few!).

Not because the majority like it, becomes good.

[Rebel]

I'm listening to the keeper's trilogy now. the Helloween intro is better than the original.
Fucking CHILLS.

[icecab21]

seemssome of you guys are calling it bad not because of how well it's played, but because of what instruments are being used. thats a fucking joke to rate songs that way

[Ragehead91]

seemssome of you guys are calling it bad not because of how well it's played, but because of what instruments are being used. thats a fucking joke to rate songs that way

Why? We don't like the saxophone in that Song. This is why we say it is bad. Because it annoys us. Wha is that a joke?

[Rebel]

seemssome of you guys are calling it bad not because of how well it's played, but because of what instruments are being used. thats a fucking joke to rate songs that way

Why? We don't like the saxophone in that Song. This is why we say it is bad. Because it annoys us. Wha is that a joke?

That's a genre statement, not a quality statement.

[icecab21]

they should just say they don't like the genre, it sounds less retarded. if its the genre, then it really has nothing to do with the actual song.

[Ragehead91]

they should just say they don't like the genre, it sounds less retarded. if its the genre, then it really has nothing to do with the actual song.

I don't have problems with the genre per se. I just don't think that it fits the song and I hate it when bands I love take their classic and rearrange them like that and add all the in my opinion unnecessary new elements to the song. Those song were perfect. Why re-arrange them? I'd prefer if they just would've re-recorded them with Andi on vocals like Kai did 10 years ago with "A Blast From The Past". Yes, I guess I am a bit close-minded but I simply don't like it.

[Babylon]

That video is nothing else than crap...
They look as if were the new Backstreet Boys in metal (similar to that shit of Edguy)
They just put a few semi-naked girls, a ridiculous actor in there and the most repugnant commercial attitude... and people like it.

I think you are taking this matter too seriously. It´s Helloween, not a death metal band, or Slayer. Almost all of us agree the version is not the best work they´ve done in their life, but the video clip is full of good humour. I remember Metallica doing something similar a few years ago ( Jason was still in the band), Load era, and nobody complaint about it. Yes it is commercial, because the purpose of a video clip is... to sell the product. Examples? there many in metal. After more than 25 years in metal, I´ve seen hundreds. It´s part of the business, and regarding Helloween, it´s part of their idiosincracy. Some people like it ( thousands!), some people hate it ( a few!).

Exactly, Helloween's never been a band who takes themselves too seriously. Some of their other videos have funny, non-sense stuff (Kids Of The Century, Perfect Gentleman, Mrs God).

If people don't like it, well it's their choice. You can't please everybody.

I'm listening to the keeper's trilogy now. the Helloween intro is better than the original.
Fucking CHILLS.

Yes, it sounds awesome!

[icecab21]

I just don't really see a point in making a big deal about bands making music that you don't have to listen to. So you will be listening to the original and not the newer one, the newer one should just be forgotten and not affect you. The whole "I don't like it, why did they do it" attitude is what I don't like at all. It seems so narcissistic and juvenile. They do what they want to because they want to; you can listen to what you want to. Its not their job to cater to peoples needs. Of course it’s ok to mention that you don't like it and all. I just think you beat the dead horse over and over by saying the same thing over and over about this kind of thing. Its better when you say what you would like rather than the " its not what I want, how dare they" that you so often go with. its not so much you but that collective attitude in metal that is "something should only be done if i want it". that i so often see in comments

[NeverendingAbyss]

Where can I listen to the Trilogy? Any webs? Youtube maybe?
Please post link!

[Ragehead91]

Where can I listen to the Trilogy? Any webs? Youtube maybe?
Please post link!

Damn. It has been deleted from Youtube.

[Intiaani]

Actually not a bad album after all. A bit repetative and unoriginal, clearly just some guys having fun in the studio, not spectacular, but not really that bad it sounded in those 30 second clips. The Trilogy is worse than I espected, even though it's still good. Surprisingly Dr. Stein, Where the Rain Grows and less surprisingly Forever & One and A Tale... are other best songs on the album.

Dr. Stein video is great, yeah, although it's too very repetative. It should more follow the plot of the song, but it's too much based to that one apparently "cool" cloning effect they did, and IIRC is very similar to the one used in Just a Little Sign video. :/ Positive surprise though, the album, after all!

The whole "I don't like it, why did they do it" attitude is what I don't like at all. It seems so narcissistic and juvenile. They do what they want to because they want to; you can listen to what you want to. Its not their job to cater to peoples needs.

I think you've said this before somewhere... Anyway, my thoughts exactly. I think the band has the right to appear eclectic and try something new, not stick to something the old fans might want. It seems too often nowadays musicians follow the will of their fanbase and do basicly the same stuff album after album, and might get bored of it. I'd also like to add this "music genre" thinking of our time is affecting our views hell of a lot. How much easier it is for a band to sell-out or become somehow worse or uninteresting just because we tend to think there were some boxes music must fit in?

Whilst I don't think Helloween has gone worse recently doing it, they're still more and more heavy and the songs have become repetative. It's important they did an album like Unarmed; I hope they will be back late this year or in the beginning of 2011 with fresh new material, with a different record, like what Bubbles was from Keepers, Chameleon from Bubbles, Rings from Chameleon and TTotO from Rings, all the way to The Dark Ride and Rabbit.. No pattern in between those albums, just something new each time. Since those their music has been more repetative for the first time ever.

[AAAAAAAAAA]

The whole "I don't like it, why did they do it" attitude is what I don't like at all. It seems so narcissistic and juvenile. They do what they want to because they want to; you can listen to what you want to. Its not their job to cater to peoples needs.

Isn't it "narcissistic and juvenile" that you criticize the way Pinhead feels about the album (or expresses himself?). Because its not his job to write posts to cater to YOUR needs!

[Rebel]

The Keepers Trilogy makes this album worthwhile IMO.
I would have preferred they included Occasion Avenue, but I can't be too picky.

[icecab21]

Isn't it "narcissistic and juvenile" that you criticize the way Pinhead feels about the album (or expresses himself?). Because its not his job to write posts to cater to YOUR needs! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

There is a difference between the art and the criticism of art. I’m not asking ragehead why he feels the need to post since I know the answer is to express his opinion on the matter. Ragehead makes these comments of "oh why oh why did the band do this?" when the obvious answer is because they wanted to, just like the reason ragehead makes his posts.

[SinisterStar]

just like the reason ragehead makes his posts.

To piss everybody off?

[gon]

Some people like it ( thousands!), some people hate it ( a few!).

Not because the majority like it, becomes good.

You ´re right.
But I repeat, it´s just fun. Don´t take it too seriously.

[gon]

Whilst I don't think Helloween has gone worse recently doing it, they're still more and more heavy and the songs have become repetative. It's important they did an album like Unarmed; I hope they will be back late this year or in the beginning of 2011 with fresh new material, with a different record, like what Bubbles was from Keepers, Chameleon from Bubbles, Rings from Chameleon and TTotO from Rings, all the way to The Dark Ride and Rabbit.. No pattern in between those albums, just something new each time. Since those their music has been more repetative for the first time ever.

I wouldn´t consideer the last times of Helloween " repetitive". Yes, probably they sound now heavier than ever, but, in my opinion, it is the logical consequence of a internal stability, due a good line-up after the departure of Kusch and Grapow. They have founded a compositive line which is working really good, the results in general terms is high standard, and all the band is involved now in the creative process. Gambling.... is a really great album, they will need some time to beat it.

[Mehida]

Some people like it ( thousands!), some people hate it ( a few!).

Not because the majority like it, becomes good.

You ´re right.
But I repeat, it´s just fun. Don´t take it too seriously.

I personally don't realize the funny.
And if I take it too seriously (actually don't give a fuck) is because I think is wrong in many ways, sexist, commercial.
Come on, they are releasing a video of a song which was originally published in 1988.
After whole years of touring and doing nothing but music, you can't keep yourself fresh.
And that evolving thing is always mentioned, it's just crap, it's not like we can do everything we want, I really doubt they can be that versatile to pass from Heavy Metal to Ska or whatever their playing.
I'm concious it's not easy to find a regular job nowadays, so it's kind of understandable they are still playing.

[gon]

Some people like it ( thousands!), some people hate it ( a few!).

Not because the majority like it, becomes good.

You ´re right.
But I repeat, it´s just fun. Don´t take it too seriously.

I personally don't realize the funny.
And if I take it too seriously (actually don't give a fuck) is because I think is wrong in many ways, sexist, commercial.
Come on, they are releasing a video of a song which was originally published in 1988.
After whole years of touring and doing nothing but music, you can't keep yourself fresh.
And that evolving thing is always mentioned, it's just crap, it's not like we can do everything we want, I really doubt they can be that versatile to pass from Heavy Metal to Ska or whatever their playing.
I'm concious it's not easy to find a regular job nowadays, so it's kind of understandable they are still playing.

So, in your opinion, do Helloween should quit, and say 'bye', because, in your opinion, the inspiration is over?

Sexist videos, repetitve, commercial?
let me think about it.

Maiden, Motorhead, AC/DC, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, and many great bands during rock and metal life have realeased songs, lps, videos, with sexual contents, sometimes explicit, sometimes not.
The inspiration comes and goes, that´s the reason music is not a regular job, not on a regular basis, ok, no discussion about it, but it is still a job.

Regarding Helloween, this is not the first time they do something
"different" ( covers album, for instance), so I am not surprised about this step in their career.
So, at last, it´s just a question of likes. Do you like it? listen it, buy it, download it, it´s your choice. Don´t you like it after all? Simple. Stop listening, there are hundreds of serious bands you will like a lot more than Weiki & Co., for example. Gamma Ray-no sexist videos, no commercial attitude, just pure and energetic power metal-.

[Intiaani]

gon: I think they have been repetatively heavy from Rabbit. I still think you speak the truth. I never though Gambling with the Devil was a bad album! I just found it action-packed, solid, generally heavy album that rocks my socks time after time. Anyway, I think it's somehow the most even album in all the heaviness of today's Helloween. In Legacy, there were many types of songs, but Rabbit and Gambling, though are good, are more one-dimensional than any albums have ever been from Helloween (except maybe MotR, which in its glam rock feel was very different from the others anyways). Also they have had this same style to last for three albums already, for the first time ever. Why, you think it's what is natural composition to this line-up, and it shows it is. I think there might be only repetative ideas left...

Let's say they put out a similar album to Gambling next. I think I will like it, as I've always liked Helloween recordings. I'd only wish they were able to transform between every albums, like they did in the past.

And well, line-up changes rarely do bad things to music after all. At worst the main music making guy leaves and the band gets much, much worse, but most of times the new guy brings something fresh to band's music. (So, Sascha should make something fresh again like Invisible Man or leave the band... well, not really. )

[Stratowarius 2.0]

Isn't it "narcissistic and juvenile" that you criticize the way Pinhead feels about the album (or expresses himself?). Because its not his job to write posts to cater to YOUR needs! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

There is a difference between the art and the criticism of art. I’m not asking ragehead why he feels the need to post since I know the answer is to express his opinion on the matter. Ragehead makes these comments of "oh why oh why did the band do this?" when the obvious answer is because they wanted to, just like the reason ragehead makes his posts.

Icecar you are something else there are girls you know and movies and sports

[Stratowarius]

Great! At last someone to play with. Come on!

[gon]

gon: I think they have been repetatively heavy from Rabbit. I still think you speak the truth. I never though Gambling with the Devil was a bad album! I just found it action-packed, solid, generally heavy album that rocks my socks time after time. Anyway, I think it's somehow the most even album in all the heaviness of today's Helloween. In Legacy, there were many types of songs, but Rabbit and Gambling, though are good, are more one-dimensional than any albums have ever been from Helloween (except maybe MotR, which in its glam rock feel was very different from the others anyways). Also they have had this same style to last for three albums already, for the first time ever. Why, you think it's what is natural composition to this line-up, and it shows it is. I think there might be only repetative ideas left...

Let's say they put out a similar album to Gambling next. I think I will like it, as I've always liked Helloween recordings. I'd only wish they were able to transform between every albums, like they did in the past.

And well, line-up changes rarely do bad things to music after all. At worst the main music making guy leaves and the band gets much, much worse, but most of times the new guy brings something fresh to band's music. (So, Sascha should make something fresh again like Invisible Man or leave the band... well, not really. )

Changes are welcome, without losing their identity. If yo mean a transformation like Pink Bubbles Go Ape, or Chamaleon.... no more to say ( by the way, excellent song). ·Everybody know the result of both experiments-Helloween almost disapeared.
And between Master, TOTO, BTR, I don´t see so many differences. the only l different album, in my opinion, is the Dark Ride, really good album for me. But again, the change wasn´t really welcome for a huge part of the fans. I remember to attend one of their shows,and the place was half empty, when, in the previous tours supporting TOTO and BTR, that venue was absolutely crowded. And, at last, Kusch and Grapow were out.
So, I prefer to have Helloween doing good records, even if the sound or composition couldn´t sound so experimental or progressive, instead of seeing them dissapear as in the firsts years of the 90´s.
But, of course, it is just an opinion.