FIFA World Cup 2010 thread

[Chang]

Chang ungreat most of sport
But...upper school champions of PING PONG! Greatest chinese sports....

[RazielSR]

Man... Yeah, just I am a Brazillian I breath more futebol than anyone but I am not saying that I know more... You don't know how futebol represent to us...

That is ridiculous. Football is not a Brazilian sport, it is not a German sport, it is not a Spanish sport or even an English sport (even though they invented it). It is a global sport and it represents the cultures and identities of so many countries and people around the world that claiming that purely by being from Brazil it instantly means more to you and you automatically know more about it than anyone else is just stupid.

It's important to people everywhere, as a form of culture and identity.

You even know how futebol is organize in our country... I talk about the championships, teams and the players revelations... I have saw ,like my friends in this country, things that anyone in the other country dream to see

Really?

For you to say something like that means that you watch the Premier League, Serie A, La Liga and Bundesliga every week right? And you know what's going on in other countries such as France, Greece, Netherlands and Russia as well, true?

I don't follow the Brazilian league very closely, so I'm not going to pretend that I know much about it but for you to say something so categorical is just facetious.

It's like saying 'Swedish death metal is better than Florida death metal' completely overlooking the socio-economic and geopolitical factors influencing both types of death metal.

One could say 'Florida death metal sells more records' like the same way Brazil have won more world cups. Is Brazil the most successful WC nation? Yes. Is Brazilian football the best in the world? No, because that question does not have an answer. Italy have won 4 WCs so far but their league is far more boring to watch than the English Premier League and England have won 1 WC, 44 years ago and were a total disaster this time, as were Italy. One thing is therefore not necessarily linked to the other.

Personally, I find the Greek First Division to be the most exciting, but that's my own opinion. I won't go around claiming it is the 'best' league and that anyone from outside there wouldn't dream of seeing things like that.

I think Maradona is less than what Romario was and you know what I am talking about because what "baixinho" did in Barcelona was just awesome...People said that he played even more than Ronaldo... Maybe in the WC 2014 the TV can show to you the wonderful and magic that futebol is to us... And Messi? He has not won a WC and in this WC he is not doing anything that show to me he is better

Does it upset you that the player regarded as the best in the world is not Brazilian? And does it upset you that Maradona is Argentinian but is widely regarded as the best player ever? You know, there are good players in other countries as well. I think Messi has been incredible in the world cup so far. He plays a different role to the one he plays in Barca, but he's been so effective in supporting Higuain and Tevez. He hasn't scored 15 goals, but he's been really great.

People were saying the same thing as Ronaldinho last time around. But of course, he's Brazilian, so he's obviously better than anyone from another country right?

A true Amarelao... Maradona is trying to make Argentina show to people a spetacular team which this weak ones is not... We will see... Mesut Özil is gonna destroy them

Weak? How is the Argentinian team weak? They've beaten every other team they've encountered pretty easily. They have a perfect record of 4 victories so far in the WC, Brazil only have 3 and 1 draw. So, on paper (which means nothing as we all know), they've actually been stronger than Brazil if you want to look at it like that...

Germany has been excellent but I think their youth could be their undoing. It will be a close match I think.

If he and his germany team won't do this, you can let for Brazil that we will...

How do you know this?

Do you just think that 'we are Brazil, we are the best team, therefore we will win' and simply cannot contemplate anything else?

ANY team can be defeated, ANY team can win, and the result is NEVER certain. That's the beautiful thing about football. The best team on paper might only be the second best in the match. Remember 1998? Remember 2004?

Look, I'm not doubting Brazil's abilities as a team. I think they play wonderfully and I've always loved Brazilian football. I think Dunga is the best coach they've had since '94 and I really do expect them to make it all the way to the final, and probably win it. Again, you can never be sure of anything but it's a balance of probabilities.

But if what you're saying is a general indicator of the attitude of the Brazilian public, then I fully understand why Dunga hates the media there so much. If Brazil win, I'll actually be most happy for him getting his revenge and making all the critics shut the hell up. And I heard that he'll quit even if they do win, which I think would be awesome.

EPIC NEON WIN

[GuiHunter]

Last Game of Argentina x Brazil, Brazil won 3 x 1 in Argentina's home... You have to seen what the argentinians did... They change the stadium's game from Buenos Aires to La Plata which ones is a small bad place only cause they believe that in scream and the pression over the referee will help their team to win... They turned on the water in the midlle of the game in a one Brazilians attack and the game had to be pause and a lot of bad things... That's why I believe we will win them again but I don't believe it's going to be in this world cup cause germany will beat them again...

[NeonVomit]

...and you've obviously not read anything I wrote or addressed any of the questions I asked you.

[GuiHunter]

And about the championships, I will tell you a secret of why we always have the best players in the world: The Brazilian country is divided in 17 states... In the beginning of the year, each state has his own championship it's called "Estadual"... There are many classicalmatches in each states which ones I can say , for example in State of Minas Gerais: Cruzeiro x Atletico MG, in state of Rio Grande do Sul: Gremio x Internacional, in state of Rio de Janeiro: Flamengo x Vasco, in State of São Paulo: São Paulo x Corinthians,and so on... These are classic games and the things going Mad when it happens... Then we have, for me, the most dfficult championship in the world called Brasileirao ( Brazillian's Serie A) that when it starts, we can't say which team is gonna be the champion, the 24 teams has its chances...

[RazielSR]

Gui, seems that you live in a cavern.

[NeonVomit]

And about the championships, I will tell you a secret of why we always have the best players in the world: The Brazilian country is divided in 17 states... In the beginning of the year, each state has his own championship it's called "Estadual"... There are many classicalmatches in each states which ones I can say , for example in State of Minas Gerais: Cruzeiro x Atletico MG, in state of Rio Grande do Sul: Gremio x Internacional, in state of Rio de Janeiro: Flamengo x Vasco, in State of São Paulo: São Paulo x Corinthians,and so on... These are classic games and the things going Mad when it happens...

Do you even know about football in other countries? This is pretty much the way it works everywhere. Regional leagues rank upwards to the national ones.

Of course, Brazil must have a good system in place because they're always very consistent with the high level of the players they produce, like Germany, Spain and the Netherlands. The Under-21 world championships are always a good indicator of the state of a country's football academies.

Then we have, for me, the most dfficult championship in the world called Brasileirao ( Brazillian's Serie A) that when it starts, we can't say which team is gonna be the champion, the 24 teams has its chances...

And what makes it the most difficult championship in the world? Again, do you know all about football in every other country?

[GuiHunter]

Together with the Brasileirao we have the Libertadores which championship is played by the best south americans and now the best Mexicans teams and is equivalent as the Uefa Champions League is. The 4th first classifyed teams in Brasileirao receives the credits to play Libertadores. It's very difficult...And then, we have the Copa do Brasil that is equivalent as the Copa do Rei in Spain and The Football Association Cup in England...Very difficult... The winner receives the credits to play Libertadores.

[GuiHunter]

I believe and invite you to know the Brasileirao championship... You will see what I am talking about... The atmosphere of the games... The rivals matches with each other... The beautiful players that rises of this challenge... Like this year, we have a fantastic team that Santos Futebol Club made... The "meninos da Vila" are Neymar, Paulo Cesar GANSO, Andre, Madson and others are just names that will be very recognize soon in the world's heads...

[NeonVomit]

Again, how is this more difficult than any other league?

Last year in Cyprus, APOP Peyia, a club from a village with a population of under 2000, won the cup competition by beating far bigger teams and played in the UEFA Cup and even won a couple of matches.

Again, this was a team from a village of less than 2000 people.

I could just say that is far more difficult than anything Manchester United, Liverpool, Barcelona or AC Milan have achieved in recent years. But of course it isn't more 'difficult'. It's different.

Winning any trophy or any championship is difficult, it's difficult everywhere in the world. That's why clubs work so hard to win. How is it ever easy? What is an 'easy' championship? It wouldn't be a championship if it were ever easy!

[GuiHunter]

In Spain we always have Barcelona and Real Madrid has champions of it's own national championship... In England we have Chelsea, Manchester United, Liverpool,Arsenal+-, but in Brazil witch one of the 24 teams will be the Champion? We can't say... That's the glamour of the thing... That's why make this challenger the most difficult ones

[GuiHunter]

And the players... We are the 5th world champions... We had the most brillant team of the world cups - The Seleção 70'... Oh NeonVomit how I wish you man to go with me with the matches here: Cruzeiro x Atletico... Inter x Gremio... Flamengo x Vasco... São Paulo x Corinthians... It's serious I would love to show you the magic...

[NeonVomit]

In Spain we always have Barcelona and Real Madrid has champions of it's own national championship... In England we have Chelsea, Manchester United, Liverpool,Arsenal+-, but in Brazil witch one of the 24 teams will be the Champion? We can't say... That's the glamour of the thing... That's why make this challenger the most difficult ones

From Wikipedia, Brasileiro champions since 1998:

1998
Corinthians SP

1999
Corinthians SP

2000
Vasco RJ

2001
Atlético Paranaense

2002
Santos

2003
Cruzeiro

2004
Santos SP

2005
Corinthians SP

2006
São Paulo SP

2007
São Paulo SP

2008
São Paulo SP

2009
Flamengo RJ

The same teams keep winning it.

How is this different from Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Blackburn and Liverpool winning between them in the same time period?

[GuiHunter]

I love your country with the music which ones I believe no other can be compare... It appears that the british are born to make music... Led Zeppelin, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Iron Maiden, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Saxon, Judas Priest,Jetrho Tull, so on...and on... and on...
Here, we born to play futebol...
IN USA, they are born to play basketball...
And that's how the world is...

[RazielSR]

[NeonVomit]

I love your country with the music which ones I believe no other can be compare... It appears that the british are born to make music... Led Zeppelin, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Iron Maiden, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Saxon, Judas Priest,Jetrho Tull, so on...and on... and on...
Here, we born to play futebol...
IN USA, they are born to play basketball...
And that's how the world is...

Again, music is not the 'best' in the UK (I am not British by the way, I am from Cyprus). Music is wonderful and important everywhere. Just because many bands started in the UK doesn't mean it's any more important or better there than anywhere else.

And USA hasn't won the basketball World Championship in about 16 years. Russia, Serbia and Spain dominate the world game.

The world is not that simple.

[RazielSR]

I'm TELLING YAAAAAA IN A CAVERN!

[AAAAAAAAAA]

What are you pinheads arguing about this time? :rotflmao1:

PS: I just bought a vuvuzela. I really did though, no joke. A purple one.
brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! :laff:

:ola:

[GuiHunter]

Cruzeiro won its first championship in 2003... Atletico paranaense made a wonderfull team that year which one they won...Flamengo the team that have the biggest Torcida( dont know this word in english)and has the tv machine to win won the championship last year but stay 17 years without win it... São Paulo's supremacy is because of their organize and the change of the championship that turns matches to matches to higher points( Pontos Corridos) but they start to down...

[GuiHunter]

h the USA has not won the championship cause Kobe, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Steve Nash and others are not playing on this...That's the arrogant of the United States...But I have to addmit that they are impossible to win nowadays if they played with their best players...It's a fact...

[GuiHunter]

Which team are you rooting for?

[AAAAAAAAAA]

Which team are you rooting for?

Eh, its all the same to me. I just wanted a vuvuzela of my own.

[RazielSR]

I HOPE you will support Spain, AAAAAAAAAA !!!

[AAAAAAAAAA]

I HOPE you will support Spain, AAAAAAAAAA !!!

If you're asking me to blow it for you, i'll happily oblige.

[RazielSR]

YES, blow the AAZUELA just to support Spain!

[AAAAAAAAAA]

YES, blow the AAZUELA just to support Spain!

My innuendo went unheeded.


BRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

....
Sorry, just ate a burrito.

[RazielSR]

[NeonVomit]

Which team are you rooting for?

I always support Greece, Spain and Germany, due to my ethnic roots. I kind of support England as I live here now, but I'm usually pleased to see them fall apart as they never deserve to do well.

[NeverendingAbyss]

PS: I just bought a vuvuzela. I really did though, no joke. A purple one.
brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! :laff:

where did you get one?? I'm trying so hard to find a vuvuzela

[Mehida]

You know what Gui? I don't give a fuck about whatever shit you wrote here. Which criteria do you take into account when comparing so different players from diverse countries, years, etc?
How do you know DiStafano was not better than Pele? Or Eusebio better than Garrincha? Puskas better than Ronaldo? Zidane better than Zico?

And Raziel, let's not mix futbol with social crap, Spain has in it's history some things we better not mention.