Welcome to the 4th Reich

[Jabi]

EU CHIEF: THE TIME HAS COME FOR A FEDERAL EUROPE

A HUGE European superstate is the only solution to the economic crisis engulfing the continent, the President of the European Commission declared today.

Jose Manuel Barroso claimed the fate of the euro and European Union were intertwined and that the only answer to the growing threat of collapse was a massive Federalist state.

As the crisis in Greece deepened Mr Barroso told the European Parliament: "We are confronted with the most serious challenge of a generation.

"What we need now is a new, unifying impulse, a new federalist moment - let's not be afraid to use the word.

"The right way to stop the negative cycle and strengthen the euro is to deepen integration, mainly in the euro area. This is the way to go."

He even claimed the crisis was "a fight".

"This is a fight for the jobs and prosperity of families in all our member states.

"This is a fight for the economic and political future of Europe.

"This is a fight for what Europe represents in the world. This is a fight for European integration itself," he added.

His outrageous land grab comes as two French Banks were downgraded by Moody's, one of the big three credit agencies, due to their exposure to the Greek debt.

He said the big problem was that new rules governing the running of the euro area had been agreed but not fully implemented by the euro-zone countries.

Barroso added: "In the cacophony of criticisms, counter-criticisms, magic bullets and miracle panaceas that are proposed on a daily basis, the truth has been drowned out - that solid, feasible and concrete proposals have been made. That they have been agreed upon. But they have taken too long and have not yet been fully delivered.

"Economic and monetary union cannot function properly only on the basis of decisions taken by unanimity.

"Because if a eurosceptic fringe can determine the position of one member state and one member state can block decisions, the result is that we are not credible. This is not about institutional positioning or power. It is about efficiency and delivery."

Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg dismissed suggestions - rife on the Tory backbenches - that Britain should take the opportunity presented by the crisis in the eurozone to renegotiate its relations with the EU through new treaties.

In a speech at the London School of Economics, Mr Clegg said: "On a day like today, when people have been talking openly about the possibility of a Greek default, the key question is not, how do we seek to renegotiate the United Kingdom's place in the European Union in a treaty that hasn't even materialised yet.

"The single most important question, the urgent question, is what role can we play in helping the eurozone avoid further turmoil, creating the stability needed for prosperity and jobs in the eurozone, of course, and in the United Kingdom too.

"A stable, healthy eurozone matters massively to the UK. It's where we send 40% of all of our exports. And together we all face a long-term problem of competitiveness - a problem not even a raft of new treaties could fix.

"So beyond the immediate issue surrounding fiscal and monetary policy, what we need is deepening and widening of the single market. That's what should be the United Kingdom's real priority - completing the single market is how we put the UK's interests first."

Martin Callanan, Conservative leader in the European Parliament claimed today that a Greek departure from the euro would be the "least worst" solution to Europe's economic crisis.

He said: "We are all watching the slow-motion car crash that is this European Monetary Union crisis. It won't be solved by Eurobonds, more high-interest loans or a financial transactions tax, and it certainly won't be solved by a theological debate about whether the economic governance package follows the intergovernmental model rather than the community method, or whatever else."

source: Daily Express

[NeonVomit]

source: Daily Express

THE worst newspaper in the UK, bar none.

[Mormegil]

source: Daily Express

THE worst newspaper in the UK, bar none.

I've had everyone tell me it's the Daily Mail

Anyway I don't quite understand the point of this topic; you posted an article which, as far as I understand, explains how federalisation of EU would save us all from impending doom, yet title it the opposite way. Or do you just think federal Europe would be the "4th Reich" by default?

[RazielSR]

If some of you are trying to understand the real meaning of this whole thing, good luck.

[NeonVomit]

source: Daily Express

THE worst newspaper in the UK, bar none.

I've had everyone tell me it's the Daily Mail

To give you an idea, the Daily Express is basically a cheaper, worse-written Daily Mail wannabe.

[adrian9]

if that is true we re doomed.

[Jabi]

Or do you just think federal Europe would be the "4th Reich" by default?

^ This.

[browneyedgirl]

Those of us with Christian backgrounds believe something of this nature was prophesized over 2,000 years ago.

[pneumonia]

Why Reich? It suggest germanisation of whole Europe...

What a stupid article...

[HinatAArcticA]

Sign of the times and writings on the wall
they show me it's time has come
Order of a new kind we will all find
stronger than never before
Things are pretty much the same
like in the year thirty eight
oh won't we ever learn
This time is't gonna be different
so let's all join our hands
And let the children sing
for the last time

4th Reich is rising
can't you see the signs
4th Reich is rising
for the last time

Let's just press more money
don't worry about the inflation
we got to have more weapons to carry on
Unemployment and sorrow cannot be avoided at this point
but thins will be so different when they are
ruling the world

4th Reich is rising
can't you see the signs
4th Reich is rising
for the last time
what will be left to our children

is this our final destiny

[NeonVomit]

Why Reich? It suggest germanisation of whole Europe...

What a stupid article...

Exactly, really stupid. This is akin to taking stuff you read in the National Enquirer seriously.

[browneyedgirl]

I get the Wall Street Journal every day, and in almost every issue there is an article discussing the gloom and doom economically which is going on in the EuroZone especially Ireland, UK, Greece and Spain. So, even the papers in the USA are getting in on the act. Or, is it an act?

[NeonVomit]

Uh, last time I checked this was a global economic crisis. I'm not an economics expert so I'll just assume that the doom and gloom is pretty much universal, except if you're Chinese.

Anyway, I'm just so sick of the Mail and the Express' hysterical psuedo-conservative bullshit... do you know how irritating it is to get on a train here, hoping pick up a newspaper that's been left lying around to read and only finding those two? I'd rather stare out the window for the trip It's like what the National Enquirer or Star would be like if it was run by Glenn Beck. I know this because my sister used to work there before jumping ship onto a far better job.

[adrian9]

you know im a little afraid of 2012 armagedon things and one of the set ups that has been writing on those prophecyes as well has seen in the "zeitgeist" documentary is the birth of a super nation that originates in europe.....so if that happens im gonna shit my pants.

[NeonVomit]

I remember everyone crapping themselves over the year 2000 prophecies

[browneyedgirl]

the birth of a super nation that originates in europe.....

Is there a Billy Graham in the house? I just don't have the time right now to point out the Biblical stuff that supposed to point this out, but there are several references in various places in the Old and New Testament that give supposedly a prophecy such as this.

[NeonVomit]

The keys for the Zeitgeist thread are in the in the ignition. I'm walking.

[robocop656]

I remember everyone crapping themselves over the year 2000 prophecies

Check it out:

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[TwilightEagle]

In Finland everything is about financial crisis now. I'm bored to hear about it...

[HoldenCaulfield]

the birth of a super nation that originates in europe.....

I just don't have the time right now to point out the Biblical stuff that supposed to point this out, but there are several references in various places in the Old and New Testament that give supposedly a prophecy such as this.

Are you a busy woman? Or just a lazy one?
Can you please check if there are references to the stolen guitar, to where the ducks go in the wintertime and who the new Stratovarius drummer will be?

While writting your post, were you eating cheerios or a whole bottle of aspirin?

[browneyedgirl]

While writting your post, were you eating cheerios or a whole bottle of aspirin?

Nah, red wine and unleavened bread.

[NeonVomit]

writting

Dude.

[HoldenCaulfield]

writting

Dude.

It was a mistake. This investigation makes me so depressed I go crazy. It's TT all the time.
If there’s one thing I hate, it’s the TT thing. Don’t even mention it, if possible.

[GAGAGO]

I haven't thought of mention that scoundral but now I fell a force gripping me and I must I must.
Timo fiicking Tilki. timo ficking Tilki..............