Does Helloween have the worst fanbase, ever?

[Intiaani]

And Kai isn't?

"Oh, come on, you should know my opinion about Kai! "

-> Now you know Florian's opinion about Deris.

Luckily I think all the three are awesome, each their own way.

[Babylon]

So you can't listen any Helloween album which was released after 1993?

Alright... hold it right there, mister (or miss? I don't know). You may not like those albums, which is fine, you don't have to listen to them - to each their own, but shitty vocals?

[Florian]

I think there is nothing wrong with Deris when he sings his songs. He is good on his songs, but it's just a disaster when he sings I Want Out or anything else. And Helloween didn't take Deris because he is unique, but because he is Weiki's friend since 1987.

[Ragehead91]

I agree on I want Out and Ride the Sky. But on the other Kiske/Hansen Songs they played live he did a good job.

[hiro23]

I'm with babylon, I think Deris has an excellent voice, I mean it's perfectly fine if you like kiske but to me his voice is just not that unique, Deris stands out more.

[Rebel]

point proven.

[Babylon]

Right and also adds his own style to the old songs. For the 100th time, they are not going to sound like Kiske's versions, it is a DIFFERENT singer. If you want that, listen to the albums... And "a disaster"? Blaze singing The Trooper, now THAT's a disaster. And also, I don't see what is so bad about Andi singing I Want Out?

[Rebel]

Right and also adds his own style to the old songs. For the 100th time, they are not going to sound like Kiske's versions, it is a DIFFERENT singer. If you want that, listen to the albums... And "a disaster"? Blaze singing The Trooper, now THAT's a disaster. And also, I don't see what is so bad about Andi singing I Want Out?

Blaze sounds like a badass singing the trooper

[hiro23]

I'm with rebel on that one, I actually kind of like Blaze singing the trooper, don't get me wrong I'm like many others and I think Bruce is the best, but I never had a problem with Blaze.

As far as the Andi discussion goes my opinion is that Andi fits the band better, his lower more sinister type voice matches a band with the name Helloween, Kiske is an awesome singer however I would imagine him singing in more of a Journey type band rather then a band like Helloween.

[Babylon]

Or Blaze singing Hallowed Be Thy Name

[Intiaani]

Or Blaze singing Hallowed Be Thy Name

I haven't heard that, and I don't even want to imagine it. :E More awful than Di'Anno singing Remember Tomorrow on record? :I

Oh, by the way...

MAGIC IN THE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA'A
ON HALLOWEEEEEEEEEN!

[hiro23]

It is rather funny when Kiske fan boys rip on Deris it's perfectly acceptable to them and they believe he deserves it, however you say one negative thing about Kiske and obviously your taste in music is awful.

I mean you'd think by listening to many of them that he was the second coming of Jesus or something

[Ragehead91]

Yes, it is funny how they call you nazi for not liking him. Everything Deris does is the devil's work and everything Kiske does is ART.

[hiro23]

I completely agree with you on that point Ragehead, I mean it is rather funny how Deris gets Demonized and Kiske is raised to the level of a saint or something.

[pneumonia]

I'm not a Kiske fanboy, but I couldn't understand listening to eagle fly free or i want out with pleasure by people who has a minimum of sense of pitch and rhythm. Andi in Kiske/Kai songs is simply out of pitch, cause the range of vocals is too wide for him.

Just like Anette can't really sing good some Tarja's songs, Kai is sometimes quite weak in some Ralf songs (but in Silence he is great). And Kiske singing Starlight was a bad experiment.

It's normal that songwriter thinks about vocalist while composing, so I'm not offending anyone.

Helloween is making now a new CD for 25th birthday, maybe we will hear some good versions of older stuff....

So my advise to Hello: on tour more MotR-Dark Ride stuff, and Gambling too because it is great and it fits to Andis voice!

[hiro23]

I do see what you mean and I respect your opinion and in many ways agree with it.

However I never had a problem with the Deris versions of Kiske songs, I always thought he was/is an all around great vocalist.

[Babylon]

I'm not a Kiske fanboy, but I couldn't understand listening to eagle fly free or i want out with pleasure by people who has a minimum of sense of pitch and rhythm. Andi in Kiske/Kai songs is simply out of pitch, cause the range of vocals is too wide for him.

Well yea, different ranges, different styles. But I think Andi does a good job on these songs, it's just that some people expect to hear the exact same thing as on the album. Comparisons are inevitable between former and new singers... "Deris can't sing Kiske era songs", "Michale Graves can't sing Danzig songs", "Belladona was better than John Bush", in the end it's all a matter of personal taste, but I agree with hiro about Kiske fan boys rippin on Deris, it is a bit too much.

on tour more MotR-Dark Ride stuff, and Gambling too because it is great and it fits to Andis voice!

I agree with that! I would love to hear more stuff from The Time Of The Oath and Better Than Raw. And I would kill to hear Heaven Tells No Lies live...

BTW, Eagle Fly Free by Vision Divine came on my media player earlier.... wow what an awful cover Now I remember why I never listen to these Helloween tribute albums.

[Intiaani]

And Kiske singing Starlight was a bad experiment.

You are gravely mistaken! Dr. Stein's experiment was bad; Kiske made Starlight about four times better with his outstanding vocals. Fix'd.

I agree with that! I would love to hear more stuff from The Time Of The Oath and Better Than Raw. And I would kill to hear Heaven Tells No Lies live...

Pretty much yes... If one song had to be raised above all the others on Gambling, it would be hard. The album is so solid all the way. I still think it would be Heaven Tells No Lies.

BTW, Eagle Fly Free by Vision Divine came on my media player earlier.... wow what an awful cover Now I remember why I never listen to these Helloween tribute albums.

Yeah. It's a bad thing that a band that good suddenly shows so little control and just pick a random song which they can't really cover well... They do a lot these bad covers. Their own material though is great!

[Babylon]

Pretty much yes... If one song had to be raised above all the others on Gambling, it would be hard. The album is so solid all the way. I still think it would be Heaven Tells No Lies.

By far my favorite song from this album. Although all of them are great. And I don't know why "Never Surrender" didn't make it on the album, I love that one as well.

Yeah. It's a bad thing that a band that good suddenly shows so little control and just pick a random song which they can't really cover well... They do a lot these bad covers. Their own material though is great!

I haven't heard much form Vision Divine, but what I've heard is actually pretty good, so you'd think they'd make an at least half decent version of Eagle Fly Free..

[Intiaani]

By far my favorite song from this album. Although all of them are great. And I don't know why "Never Surrender" didn't make it on the album, I love that one as well.

W00t. Never even heard (of) it. :/ On my digipac issue there are only Find My Freedom and See the Night...

Yeah. It's a bad thing that a band that good suddenly shows so little control and just pick a random song which they can't really cover well... They do a lot these bad covers. Their own material though is great!

I haven't heard much form Vision Divine, but what I've heard is actually pretty good, so you'd think they'd make an at least half decent version of Eagle Fly Free..

That's true too. And Luppi surely can (could >_<) sing. Now they're with Fabio Leone (Rhapsody) again. Something just didn't work there...

It's like the opposite of At Vance. They make an ABBA cover, it's a good cover. Their own material though is a bit earthbound (sorry Ragehead!).

[Ragehead91]

By far my favorite song from this album. Although all of them are great. And I don't know why "Never Surrender" didn't make it on the album, I love that one as well.

W00t. Never even heard (of) it. :/ On my digipac issue there are only Find My Freedom and See the Night...

Never Surrender is a bonus track for exclusively for the USA. There is another one called We Unite which is a bonus track exclusively for Japan. And there is still some unreleased material left.

Yeah. It's a bad thing that a band that good suddenly shows so little control and just pick a random song which they can't really cover well... They do a lot these bad covers. Their own material though is great!

I haven't heard much form Vision Divine, but what I've heard is actually pretty good, so you'd think they'd make an at least half decent version of Eagle Fly Free..

That's true too. And Luppi surely can (could >_<) sing. Now they're with Fabio Leone (Rhapsody) again. Something just didn't work there...

It's like the opposite of At Vance. They make an ABBA cover, it's a good cover. Their own material though is a bit earthbound (sorry Ragehead!).

No need to apologize. I know that their material is nothing earthshaking and that they're not re-inventing the wheel. I can understand if people think they're dull. But I still love them.

[Babylon]

W00t. Never even heard (of) it. :/ On my digipac issue there are only Find My Freedom and See the Night...

Never Surrender

I think you'll agree this should have been on the album

[Ragehead91]

It isn't one of their best songs. But still a million times better than the nerve-racking "Can Do It". What was Weiki thinking when he wrote this one? I know he loves to write those overly happy songs and normaly I have no problem with this (Where the Rain Grows, Eagle Fly Free, Power, Falling Higher) but this is just a little bit happy-overkill.

[Babylon]

Yea, Can Do It is my least favorite off that album. I would easily trade that one for Never Surrender or See The Night.

[Ragehead91]

And according to the band there are still 1 or 2 unreleased songs left.