Carcass wrote:BEG wrote:Yep, it is fruitless to repeat saying it but, Muslims lump Europe in with USA
One thing that should kept in mind is that the Muslim world is not a united front. For a lot of westerners each and every Muslim fall into one category: someone who thinks the West is a faul, degenrate place, ridden with infidels and sodomites.
The Muslim World is divided in many ethnicities such as Kurds, Arabs (which by the way is a very heterogeneous group), Indonesians, Persians, Pakistanis and Turks. Not all of them share the same world view. Moreover, the Muslim World is divided in two main religious groups: Shia Islam and Sunni Islam.
In addition, there are more or less 10 million Muslims in Western Europe alone and a lot more in the Balkans (Albania, Macedonia, Bulgaria etc.). And let's not forget the 7 million living in America.
From this perspective every generalization and the theory of a clash between civilizations are laughable.
I disagree with the clash of civilizations thing being laughable. I see nothing funny about it. Have you not seen the reports of the problems that were seen in, (of all places) Malmo, Sweden?
According to the video report that I saw, the following points were made:
a) Out of a population of 250,000- one quarter of Malmo's population is now Muslim. That is one out of four, or appx 62,500 people.
b) The liberal asylum laws in Sweden currently allow asylum seekers to bring in as many relatives as they wish.
c) One school headmaster was asked about the immigrant vs. native Swede ratio in his school. He said that he had two native Swedes out of a student body of 1,000
d) Police and fire crews are reluctant to even go in to certain neighborhoods, for fear of being attacked.
e) The main mosque in Malmo was recently torched, presumably by skinheads (and I thought this was mainly a German or Russian problem, apparently not). Firefighters that arrived at the scene were greeted by people throwing rocks and other debris at them.
Now I am not suggesting that innocent people should be hurt, but until EU nations realize that their liberal asylum and legal policies are not respected by Islamic clerics, and never will be, the trouble will continue. The US would also do well to review its policies as well.
The West simply cannot tolerate the imams that are fanning the flames inside of their respective host countries. The rules should be simple; either play by the rules and obey the laws or get out and stay out.
Too much attention is being focused on "innocent" civilians that have no intention of assimilating or following the rule of law- is anyone out there at all concerned about their own countrymen and what could happen to your country?
Col. Ghadfi of Libya recently boasted of 50 million Muslims in Europe, and if Turkey joins the EU, that number will rise to 100 million. One does not have to be anti-Muslim or a racist to see the implications of this. Europe may cherish its secular leanings, but I would have to say that 100 million Muslims on the Continent may have a very different opinion of this.
Ghadfi even went on to say in his speech that "everyone" needs to be a Muslim, and that the Old and New Testaments of the Bible were forgeries! He said that the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were essentially heresy, and that the only authentic Gospel is the Gospel of St. Barnabas, which is not considered authentic by most theologians, but according to the Colonel, is.
Did you not see where France recently "leased" over $1 billion in artwork from the Lourve to Dubai? I thought that museum represented the "soul" of France, but apparently not.