2000-2010 - Wasted Years???

[icecab21]

What do you want, a computer to randomly generate different elements of music together and invent it's own music theory as it goes as part of what can be randomly generated?

[RazielSR]

MetalSkynet® FTW!

[pneumonia]

Great thanks for your reply!
It is good that they are some optimistic

I agree with RazielSR that this is funny when sometimes "something new" is turning into 80's crap (like new Edguy)

To Intiaani i think a mix of power and prog music is a good solution for these years just like Sonata, Nightwish or Strato does, but those bands you have said (Gamma, Masterplan, etc) aren't doing anything fresh. I.e To the Metal is the combination of Judas Priest/Iron Maiden/earlier Gamma Ray album.

I like new Arjen Lucassen stuff (with Guilt Machine or 01101010). It is a good idea not being limited by vocals or percussion (often samples).

To Rebel: I should simply try Porcupine Tree. Last month I was on some ex-King Crimson project concert with Pat Masteloto on drums and Levin on stick and they were pretty good, but I wouldn't call them metal. It was rather progressive(very) rock with a lot of loops and samplers.

One more: Not only technology develops music. Also it is also being more sophisticated. Rhythms in 7/8, 9/8 is nothing new now and the harmony (I don't talk about pop) is not limited to Ith, IVth and V degree.
But certainly technology may be the key today.


To icecab21: I just simply expect composing not mixing other music. Composing I mean as a process of creation something new.

I am into classical contemporary music and there is a huge amount of methods. From 5.1 panning, to complicated electronics, microtones, quatertones, clasters. Of course we want to get emotions from music, so we can't just simply take those methods, but there are some ideas to take.

I've heard that new Opeth albums are available in 5.1 mix. I am curious how it sounds.

[icecab21]

sounds like a job for you to go out and create the music that you are looking for. create a label or forum or business or community that looks for this kind of thing.

[NeonVomit]

I think the question here is: has metal reached a saturation point?

[RazielSR]

I think the question here is: has metal reached a saturation point?

True.
But... then...what to do? There are a lot of bands nowadays, but not all the bands get famous, just very few, so the saturation for the masses is not that high I suppose. And imagine in pop or soft rock, there's a lot more saturation in that "environments".

We can't make anything against saturation.

[NeonVomit]

I think the question here is: has metal reached a saturation point?

True.
But... then...what to do? There are a lot of bands nowadays, but not all the bands get famous, just very few, so the saturation for the masses is not that high I suppose. And imagine in pop or soft rock, there's a lot more saturation in that "environments".

We can't make anything against saturation.

Very true. I think better questions would be 'is the music industry saturated' and 'has everything that can be done, been done?' and so forth.

[adrian9]

I think the question here is: has metal reached a saturation point?

True.
But... then...what to do? There are a lot of bands nowadays, but not all the bands get famous, just very few, so the saturation for the masses is not that high I suppose. And imagine in pop or soft rock, there's a lot more saturation in that "environments".

We can't make anything against saturation.

Very true. I think better questions would be 'is the music industry saturated' and 'has everything that can be done, been done?' and so forth.

that is a tough question my friends...if you think about disco and how people reacted burning records because they were so sick about that music...wow, that is a music who saturated the hell out of the usa.

I dont think rock reaches that point anytime soon. sure something new will come along. when???

[Rebel]

What do you want, a computer to randomly generate different elements of music together and invent it's own music theory as it goes as part of what can be randomly generated?

I still have yet to hear anyone combine Doom Metal and Funk. It would be pretty awesome too

[icecab21]

For me the best question is "why listen to/create music", I’m pretty sure that for any reason there are people exploring music that suits those reasons.


I think it’s more a problem of poor musical analysis or recognition than people not exploring changes in musical element formulas. the average music review does not even talk about what musical elements are used and reviewers just talk about if they liked or disliked the songs and give scores without even telling the reader how they came up with it. A band can invent the tones they use for guitar and keyboards, and people will say that the band is not doing anything new, but they obviously have. This does not even include the fact that every singer has their own unique tone by nature and people don’t even seem to want to recognize that as something to differentiate what different bands are doing.


Exploring new tone systems are definitely a way to open new doors for exploration. I just feel there is lack of consonance in this kind of stuff and that does not play well for melodic metal at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjZq8gIg ... re=related

[icecab21]

simply slap a funk track on a doom metal song or a doom metal track on a funk song and there you have a doom funk mix. listen to a funk song and a doom song at the same time and there you go as well. mix, remix, write , rewrite, any fusion can be put together in minutes if not seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z33-yHdmPVE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3uvf0cn0jo

play these both at the same time there you go

[AGAG]

Then you're saying we can mix Jazz, Classical music, Power Metal and my own national anthem in an efficient musical way if we play them at the same time?

Let's have fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWa6aChSf1w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymVOA22YHEY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enx80RqF_gk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6gOl90ZKOw

Bonus (Baroque embellisments):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcHDASRDBcw

[icecab21]

if it's anything goes anything goes

[RazielSR]

For me the best question is "why listen to/create music", I’m pretty sure that for any reason there are people exploring music that suits those reasons.


I think it’s more a problem of poor musical analysis or recognition than people not exploring changes in musical element formulas. the average music review does not even talk about what musical elements are used and reviewers just talk about if they liked or disliked the songs and give scores without even telling the reader how they came up with it. A band can invent the tones they use for guitar and keyboards, and people will say that the band is not doing anything new, but they obviously have. This does not even include the fact that every singer has their own unique tone by nature and people don’t even seem to want to recognize that as something to differentiate what different bands are doing.


Exploring new tone systems are definitely a way to open new doors for exploration. I just feel there is lack of consonance in this kind of stuff and that does not play well for melodic metal at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjZq8gIg ... re=related

I agree with something that you are saying, but tell me: Taking into acount this:

I think it’s more a problem of poor musical analysis or recognition than people not exploring changes in musical element formulas

that many times is true, do you still thinking that the metal music (usually, not always) doesn't sounds the same over and over again and that there's isn't the same creativity now than in the past?

Reading your reasoning, seems like if you had a riff in 80's and now in 2010 you use it again just changing two notes and knowing that for the masses is gonna sound almost the same like (put a famous riff or solo here), and you are gonna explain that this is not the same because in the paper the notes are not exactly the same. But people is gonna hear similarities.

I mean, you see it like a mathematical theory, but the feelings when you listen something, are not that easy to explain.

For example, (this is just an example, do not take this like if TT was plagiarizing his own music):

Listen to the beginning of Crossing the Rubicon, just the first seconds. And then listen to the first seconds of Learning to Fly.

For you... that sounds similar or not? In a paper is not the same, but tell me...doesn't sound almost the same?

For that reasons, people say that music is stuck in a strange moment, or that seems. You can almost hear the same riffs always just changing some sounds, and that -for me- is not evolution.

[mayhem-for-all]

Do you people really think the music should evolve with your taste or should you simply seek new types of music when you want a change to happen?[/quote]

[RazielSR]

Do you people really think the music should evolve with your taste or should you simply seek new types of music when you want a change to happen?

Evolution is not about taste. Evolution in the same genre for example is to listen Against the Wind in 1994 and in 2009, Deep Unknown. Of course you have to search for ideas, other styles elements, etc, etc. That is for me evolution.

If a taste of someone is to listen 40's music, then you can't speak about evolution with that person if you talk about todays music?

[icecab21]

different will still sound similar if it’s similar, but it will still be different.

people can listen to what is similar/the same or they can listen to what is different, they will find both, or they could listen to the song as a piece of music to be experienced rather than analyzed