Dream Theater New Drummer

[robocop656]

A friend of mine has their DVDs, the only time I've seen them is after I've drank 25 cans of beer. And then I watch the Instrumedley and laugh at the old time ragtime piano part because of my drinking intake.

[RazielSR]

A friend of mine has their DVDs, the only time I've seen them is after I've drank 25 cans of beer. And then I watch the Instrumedley and laugh at the old time ragtime piano part.

You should watch Score DVD, not the best tracklist but a really incredible performance. I like that kind of music that is boring for many people. I understand that some people get bored with 18-25 minute songs. But for me is the best now. some years ago I really was not into these kind of songs, but now the boring songs for me are the short ones. For that reason I like a lot what Stratovarius is doing now. Songs like Elysium are fascinating to me. I listen to songs like Octavarium or The Count of Tuscany and I have eargams all the time. I like short songs and not complex too, but you know, I'm sick of that songs cause they are everywhere. In this case the song should have a lot of emotion, like the ones that TT use to compose, or Jens.

When you have listened to a lot of music, you look for something different, for me this kind of songs (long ones with a lot of structures) are different. I like to hear all the members having his solo, his moment. It is really important for me to listen all the members playing.

But then, I'm a really great fan of The Offspring for example (before I was even fan of DT or stratovarius, it is the first guitar band I listened too), that is really popular music and not complex. So, you could say I like both types of music. I can't get bored with The Offspring and I can't get bored listening to Octavarium. Maybe it's strange, dunno.

[robocop656]

That sounds right. The only thing that gets me bored is just the endless wank. Some people like it I guess. I've got used to listening to fast fast fasts fast songs for so long that when I sit back and relax to something else, I can't since my attention span just went in the toilet. ADD. Attention deficit disorder. Too much NOW NOW NOW NOW and not enough wait, wait , wait , wait, slow down. Hyper American kids fed on Mcdonalds and diet pepsi.

[RazielSR]

That sounds right. The only thing that gets me bored is just the endless wank. Some people like it I guess. I've got used to listening to fast fast fasts fast songs for so long that when I sit back and relax to something else, I can't since my attention span just went in the toilet. ADD. Attention deficit disorder. Too much NOW NOW NOW NOW and not enough wait, wait , wait , wait, slow down. Hyper American kids fed on Mcdonalds and diet pepsi.

I understand what you mean. It's difficult to be in the middle, I mean, to like both kinds of music. You seem a really hyperactive person so maybe that's the reason. Dude, it's your personality and if you like fast music, it's cool. You don't have to force yourself to like other kind of music. One should just listen music and judge, that's all. Maybe when your ADD becomes better you will listen this kind of music too . When I was younger (I'm 28 now), I used to listen more fast music too, I like it a lot too now, but I like to listen complex and long songs too now.

PS: Mcdonalds rules, and BK and all other american shitty food stuff. I always eat let's say "healthy", food... but one or two days a week, mainly the weekends you could say me and my girlfriend always use to eat fast food, cause it rocks!! anyway, it's not good to do that constantly.

[robocop656]

I don't really have ADD, I've really just got way too much time on my hands. You eat McDonalds all the time and you'll need open heart surgery!!! If I want to listen to a kind of music where it's 7 minutes of "wank" I'll just listen to Spatic Ink. (Jens does solos on their one cd)
Even though that's not necessarily wanking. It's just what I mean tasteful wank and not just random notes thrown in like some music feels like to me.

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[RazielSR]

I don't really have ADD, I've really just got way too much time on my hands. You eat McDonalds all the time and you'll need open heart surgery!!! If I want to listen to a kind of music where it's 7 minutes of "wank" I'll just listen to Spatic Ink. (Jens does solos on their one cd)
Even though that's not necessarily wanking. It's just what I mean tasteful wank and not just random notes thrown in like some music feels like to me.

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That seems a lot like DT in many parts!

[robocop656]

Cool, what songs? I'll need to get the other ones you said too.

[RazielSR]

Cool, what songs? I'll need to get the other ones you said too.

Well, dunno now what songs cause it would be more or less to a lot of them. If you wanna start with DT or listen to some songs. I reccomend you to listen this ones:




More direct songs:

Pull Me Under
6:00
Caught In A Web
The Mirror
Lie
You Not Me
Peruvian Skies
Burning My Soul
Strange Déjà vu
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
Misunderstood
As I Am
Honor Thy Father
The Root Of All Evil
These Walls
I Walk Beside You
Panic Attack
Never Enough
Forsaken
Constant Motion
The Dark Eternal Night
Prophets Of War
A Rite Of Passage
Wither







More complex, long songs:

Metropolis - Part I - "The Miracle And The Sleeper"
Surrounded
Take the time
Under A Glass Moon
Erotomania
Voices
Scarred
Space-Dye Vest
A Change Of Seasons
Hell's Kitchen
Lines In The Sand
Trial Of Tears
Beyond This Life
Through Her Eyes
The Spirit Carries On
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
This Dying Soul
Endless Sacrifice
Stream Of Consciousness
In The Name Of God
Sacrificed Sons
Octavarium
In The Presence Of Enemies, Pt. 1
In The Presence Of Enemies, Pt. 2
The Ministry Of Lost Souls
A Nightmare To Remember
The Shattered Fortress
The Best Of Times
The Count Of Tuscany



Maybe the more direct songs are more about your taste. You'll see that in all their discography there are a lot of variations and more easy songs and others that maybe you don't like. I'm sure there will be songs you'll like.

[Balu]

A friend of mine has their DVDs, the only time I've seen them is after I've drank 25 cans of beer. And then I watch the Instrumedley and laugh at the old time ragtime piano part.

You should watch Score DVD, not the best tracklist but a really incredible performance. I like that kind of music that is boring for many people. I understand that some people get bored with 18-25 minute songs. But for me is the best now. some years ago I really was not into these kind of songs, but now the boring songs for me are the short ones. For that reason I like a lot what Stratovarius is doing now. Songs like Elysium are fascinating to me. I listen to songs like Octavarium or The Count of Tuscany and I have eargams all the time. I like short songs and not complex too, but you know, I'm sick of that songs cause they are everywhere. In this case the song should have a lot of emotion, like the ones that TT use to compose, or Jens.

When you have listened to a lot of music, you look for something different, for me this kind of songs (long ones with a lot of structures) are different. I like to hear all the members having his solo, his moment. It is really important for me to listen all the members playing.

But then, I'm a really great fan of The Offspring for example (before I was even fan of DT or stratovarius, it is the first guitar band I listened too), that is really popular music and not complex. So, you could say I like both types of music. I can't get bored with The Offspring and I can't get bored listening to Octavarium. Maybe it's strange, dunno.

Must jump in here..
I enjoy long songs, but DT are not among the better bands when it comes to those. Sure, Octavarium is good (though Shadow Gallery's First Light is so much better), but 6DoIT feels just thrown together to create the most massive pretentiousness. There are albums that feel more like a whole composition than that (favorite example of mine here is Eppur Si Muove by Haggard, though that's a different genre).

[RazielSR]

A friend of mine has their DVDs, the only time I've seen them is after I've drank 25 cans of beer. And then I watch the Instrumedley and laugh at the old time ragtime piano part.

You should watch Score DVD, not the best tracklist but a really incredible performance. I like that kind of music that is boring for many people. I understand that some people get bored with 18-25 minute songs. But for me is the best now. some years ago I really was not into these kind of songs, but now the boring songs for me are the short ones. For that reason I like a lot what Stratovarius is doing now. Songs like Elysium are fascinating to me. I listen to songs like Octavarium or The Count of Tuscany and I have eargams all the time. I like short songs and not complex too, but you know, I'm sick of that songs cause they are everywhere. In this case the song should have a lot of emotion, like the ones that TT use to compose, or Jens.

When you have listened to a lot of music, you look for something different, for me this kind of songs (long ones with a lot of structures) are different. I like to hear all the members having his solo, his moment. It is really important for me to listen all the members playing.

But then, I'm a really great fan of The Offspring for example (before I was even fan of DT or stratovarius, it is the first guitar band I listened too), that is really popular music and not complex. So, you could say I like both types of music. I can't get bored with The Offspring and I can't get bored listening to Octavarium. Maybe it's strange, dunno.

Must jump in here..
I enjoy long songs, but DT are not among the better bands when it comes to those. Sure, Octavarium is good (though Shadow Gallery's First Light is so much better), but 6DoIT feels just thrown together to create the most massive pretentiousness. There are albums that feel more like a whole composition than that (favorite example of mine here is Eppur Si Muove by Haggard, though that's a different genre).

Must jump in here...I think the artitst you mention are much worst than DT. And for me the long songs by SG are worst than the DT ones and boring to me. I think we can jump a lot, cause this is all about perception and taste and all that things, so...

[Balu]

A friend of mine has their DVDs, the only time I've seen them is after I've drank 25 cans of beer. And then I watch the Instrumedley and laugh at the old time ragtime piano part.

You should watch Score DVD, not the best tracklist but a really incredible performance. I like that kind of music that is boring for many people. I understand that some people get bored with 18-25 minute songs. But for me is the best now. some years ago I really was not into these kind of songs, but now the boring songs for me are the short ones. For that reason I like a lot what Stratovarius is doing now. Songs like Elysium are fascinating to me. I listen to songs like Octavarium or The Count of Tuscany and I have eargams all the time. I like short songs and not complex too, but you know, I'm sick of that songs cause they are everywhere. In this case the song should have a lot of emotion, like the ones that TT use to compose, or Jens.

When you have listened to a lot of music, you look for something different, for me this kind of songs (long ones with a lot of structures) are different. I like to hear all the members having his solo, his moment. It is really important for me to listen all the members playing.

But then, I'm a really great fan of The Offspring for example (before I was even fan of DT or stratovarius, it is the first guitar band I listened too), that is really popular music and not complex. So, you could say I like both types of music. I can't get bored with The Offspring and I can't get bored listening to Octavarium. Maybe it's strange, dunno.

Must jump in here..
I enjoy long songs, but DT are not among the better bands when it comes to those. Sure, Octavarium is good (though Shadow Gallery's First Light is so much better), but 6DoIT feels just thrown together to create the most massive pretentiousness. There are albums that feel more like a whole composition than that (favorite example of mine here is Eppur Si Muove by Haggard, though that's a different genre).

Must jump in here...I think the artitst you mention are much worst than DT. And for me the long songs by SG are worst than the DT ones and boring to me. I think we can jump a lot, cause this is all about perception and taste and all that things, so...

Nah, I must hear this now. SG are definitely a better band. For one simple reason, that isn't subjective at all - they take their time with their albums. In 26 years, they released 5 albums, 3 of which are masterpieces of progmetal. DT, lately, just uses the same formula for all their music, thus making them not progressive, just pointless wankery.

[mayhem-for-all]

For one simple reason, that isn't subjective at all - they take their time with their albums

Sorry to be rude but that is not a strong argument
I can simply say I disagree on that and suddenly it's subjective again. Taking time with an album is not what makes it better. Even if it did correlate there could be no causality.

[RazielSR]

Exactly, I really don't get it but ok...Balu if for you SG is better, because of your argumentation... there's no problem, just hear it and enjoy it. That's all.

[Balu]

For one simple reason, that isn't subjective at all - they take their time with their albums

Sorry to be rude but that is not a strong argument
I can simply say I disagree on that and suddenly it's subjective again. Taking time with an album is not what makes it better. Even if it did correlate there could be no causality.

If the problem is that DT doesn't take their time and compose something new, which would make their music progress (and make them.. progressive again), it is an argument. And I hope this is the case, and they aren't just burned out, because they did some great albums in the past.

[adrian9]

it is true thet 6DoIT was like put together to "create the most massive pretentiousness" but that doesnt make it a bad album neither a favorite of mine.

now, SG being awesome for his 5 records in eons....I have to disaggre, because as an artist you should be productive. 5 records in such a long time is just being lazy.

just look what maiden did in his first ten years. 8 classics!! that is being productive.

[mayhem-for-all]

If the problem is that DT doesn't take their time and compose something new, which would make their music progress (and make them.. progressive again), it is an argument

Well lets put it this way.
You can say that this song is bad because I don't like the melodies or I don't like the performance but you can't say I don't like this song because it hasn't been composed long enough.

And if their music progressing would be a good thing that would mean that you think progressiveness itself is a good thing. You can't really relate progressing to good.

[Balu]

it is true thet 6DoIT was like put together to "create the most massive pretentiousness" but that doesnt make it a bad album neither a favorite of mine.

now, SG being awesome for his 5 records in eons....I have to disaggre, because as an artist you should be productive. 5 records in such a long time is just being lazy.

just look what maiden did in his first ten years. 8 classics!! that is being productive.

Never said they are awesome because of that. They are awesome, and while that probably indicates some laziness, they also took their time to polish the albums. As a result, Tyranny (and then later Room V) is the best prog metal concept album, along with Ayreon's The Human Equation - to me, of course.

Also, artists can be overproductive, which is them wasting their talents. A great example for this is Senmuth. He released 20 full-length studio albums this year, and even with this speed, he can create some great ones, imagine what would happen if he took some extra time?

Well lets put it this way.
You can say that this song is bad because I don't like the melodies or I don't like the performance but you can't say I don't like this song because it hasn't been composed long enough.

And if their music progressing would be a good thing that would mean that you think progressiveness itself is a good thing. You can't really relate progressing to good.

I didn't say that. I just said, that some ideas are not that great, no matter how good the performance of the songs are, and should be thrown away, and the artist should wait for better ones.

Sure I can! What I love about my favorite artists, is that they are able to change. Strato is a great example of that, so is Blind Guardian and many others. They incorporate new elements into their music, which, while doesn't necessarily make the new product better, it definitely makes it more interesting, just because it's a bit different from the previous album.

[NeonVomit]

Shadow Gallery took time to put out their albums, mostly because they were on a small record label and due to a number of circumstances (including all members having full-time jobs and kids... not making a living from their music was probably another contributor) as well as not ever going on tour for another bunch of reasons, throw into the mix Mike Baker's tragic passing and you get a perfect storm of situations that will mess up a band's progress. It was certainly not due to laziness on their part by any stretch.

[Balu]

Shadow Gallery took time to put out their albums, mostly because they were on a small record label and due to a number of circumstances (including all members having full-time jobs and kids... not making a living from their music was probably another contributor) as well as not ever going on tour for another bunch of reasons, throw into the mix Mike Baker's tragic passing and you get a perfect storm of situations that will mess up a band's progress. It was certainly not due to laziness on their part by any stretch.

I get that.. But you gotta give them something, or they stop arguing with you. >.<

[adrian9]

Shadow Gallery took time to put out their albums, mostly because they were on a small record label and due to a number of circumstances (including all members having full-time jobs and kids... not making a living from their music was probably another contributor) as well as not ever going on tour for another bunch of reasons, throw into the mix Mike Baker's tragic passing and you get a perfect storm of situations that will mess up a band's progress. It was certainly not due to laziness on their part by any stretch.

wow I didnt know that, didn even imagine that,... well, I take back what i said on lazy-SG.

and @balu, I know what you mean bro, somethings getting in the rush of recording and releasing stuff quickly make the songs lost a little production or arrangements details that could make them more solid.
and that happens a lot!

[Balu]

Shadow Gallery took time to put out their albums, mostly because they were on a small record label and due to a number of circumstances (including all members having full-time jobs and kids... not making a living from their music was probably another contributor) as well as not ever going on tour for another bunch of reasons, throw into the mix Mike Baker's tragic passing and you get a perfect storm of situations that will mess up a band's progress. It was certainly not due to laziness on their part by any stretch.

wow I didnt know that, didn even imagine that,... well, I take back what i said on lazy-SG.

and @balu, I know what you mean bro, somethings getting in the rush of recording and releasing stuff quickly make the songs lost a little production or arrangements details that could make them more solid.
and that happens a lot!

Finally, we agree. And yeah, this happens a lot, I only know a few artists/bands without tons of these mistakes.

[Rebel]

For one simple reason, that isn't subjective at all - they take their time with their albums

Sorry to be rude but that is not a strong argument
I can simply say I disagree on that and suddenly it's subjective again. Taking time with an album is not what makes it better. Even if it did correlate there could be no causality.

I'll explain causality to you right now. Taking time off allows you to rethink your art and come at it with freshness, constant touring and releasing can very often get musicians stuck in a rut because they spend so much time writing, recording, and touring, that they can't calm down and reapproach an idea.

[RazielSR]

Well, the best albums from the bands I know, including Stratovarius were released in a really little time scale one from another and when the bands were plenty of gigs and movement. I don't agree with more time = better album.

[Rebel]

Well, the best albums from the bands I know, including Stratovarius were released in a really little time scale one from another and when the bands were plenty of gigs and movement. I don't agree with more time = better album.

Not always, but there was very little freshness in those stratovarius albums, if you look at points where the band takes time off, that's when they take a new approach.
this is what patience can do you

1995:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z0LSHNL2fA

2000:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGFkPR8GgV0


2003:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlsSxP4fBp0

2008:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAcUL8o5F2I

[RazielSR]

For me (and I think for the majority) the best albums from Stratovarius are FD, Episode and Visions, look the years they were released...

For many people the best albums by DT are I&W - Awake, look ay the years. SFAM - 6DOIT...

Well, I think time is not that necessary, necessary are good ideas and fresh ideas, that won't happen just with time, that happen due to a lot of other aspects.

[Balu]

For me (and I think for the majority) the best albums from Stratovarius are FD, Episode and Visions, look the years they were released...

For many people the best albums by DT are I&W - Awake, look ay the years. SFAM - 6DOIT...

Well, I think time is not that necessary, necessary are good ideas and fresh ideas, that won't happen just with time, that happen due to a lot of other aspects.

While I do somewhat agree with you here, I still think time is necessary. What others aspects do you think we have to consider?

[RazielSR]

For me (and I think for the majority) the best albums from Stratovarius are FD, Episode and Visions, look the years they were released...

For many people the best albums by DT are I&W - Awake, look ay the years. SFAM - 6DOIT...

Well, I think time is not that necessary, necessary are good ideas and fresh ideas, that won't happen just with time, that happen due to a lot of other aspects.

While I do somewhat agree with you here, I still think time is necessary. What others aspects do you think we have to consider?

For me the main aspect is inspiration, that comes or not, it is not about time, it is about I don't know what. I think that won't last forever in an artist. There's an era where the band reach the peak and that's because there is something that you can't explain, it is inspiration that flows. One day dissapear and that's all. Then you have the listener that sometimes is just tired of listening the same artist and it doesn't matter if it is evolving or not, the listener won't accept and will say it's the same old song. And if it the artist changes and the change is not accepted by the listener, the listener will say the band is over.

[adrian9]

For me (and I think for the majority) the best albums from Stratovarius are FD, Episode and Visions, look the years they were released...

For many people the best albums by DT are I&W - Awake, look ay the years. SFAM - 6DOIT...

Well, I think time is not that necessary, necessary are good ideas and fresh ideas, that won't happen just with time, that happen due to a lot of other aspects.

While I do somewhat agree with you here, I still think time is necessary. What others aspects do you think we have to consider?

For me the main aspect is inspiration, that comes or not, it is not about time, it is about I don't know what. I think that won't last forever in an artist. There's an era where the band reach the peak and that's because there is something that you can't explain, it is inspiration that flows. One day dissapear and that's all. Then you have the listener that sometimes is just tired of listening the same artist and it doesn't matter if it is evolving or not, the listener won't accept and will say it's the same old song. And if it the artist changes and the change is not accepted by the listener, the listener will say the band is over.

then you will have to make a difference between time invested in the making of a record, and timing (or when the record is gonna be released)
and Sync in between the band members.

[AGAG]

2 dudes blowing each other in a gay bar

This is a beautiful thought for a sculpture. I need proper inspiration. I'll search for the closest gay bars right now!

[RazielSR]

For me (and I think for the majority) the best albums from Stratovarius are FD, Episode and Visions, look the years they were released...

For many people the best albums by DT are I&W - Awake, look ay the years. SFAM - 6DOIT...

Well, I think time is not that necessary, necessary are good ideas and fresh ideas, that won't happen just with time, that happen due to a lot of other aspects.

While I do somewhat agree with you here, I still think time is necessary. What others aspects do you think we have to consider?

For me the main aspect is inspiration, that comes or not, it is not about time, it is about I don't know what. I think that won't last forever in an artist. There's an era where the band reach the peak and that's because there is something that you can't explain, it is inspiration that flows. One day dissapear and that's all. Then you have the listener that sometimes is just tired of listening the same artist and it doesn't matter if it is evolving or not, the listener won't accept and will say it's the same old song. And if it the artist changes and the change is not accepted by the listener, the listener will say the band is over.

then you will have to make a difference between time invested in the making of a record, and timing (or when the record is gonna be released)
and Sync in between the band members.

Yes, but what I meant is that more time invested does not make the album better. Obviously if the timing is low between albums, the time invested has been low too. So, 5 years invested in an album doesn't mean is gonna be good. If you didn't have inspiration, it doesn't matter. If you have inspiration and other aspects you can release let's say 3 albums in 4 years and that albums will become the peak of your band forever. For me, that happens just once in a band.