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NeonVomit · Post by **NeonVomit** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:43 pm

Can we please not turn this thread into a political debate? There are enough of those here already.

Anyway, anyone who thinks Finland isnt a sovereign state is dumb. Look at the crazy moon-language they speak

stratoplayer · Post by **stratoplayer** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:47 pm

Good point that alone is one powerful deterrent.

Stealth · Post by **Stealth** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:24 pm

NeonVomit wrote:Anyway, anyone who thinks Finland isnt a sovereign state is dumb. Look at the crazy moon-language they speak

No one denies that Finland (or any other nation-state for that matter) is a sovereign state. I think most of you are missing the point.
Carcass: I'm surprised about your comments because what you said about the fact that there hasn't always been national identities is exactly what some classmates and I have discussed in one of my classes at university.

The point is that nation-states are, for the most part, legal entities (which usually include a common language, but this is not always the case). So again, no one denies that Finland is a sovereign state, but the idea of "Finnishness" is not some natural concept that is innately present in all Finns. The idea that all 5.5 million (or so) Finns share some ''national'' characteristics that are natural to all of them is deceiving. A person from Turku might feel identified with a person from Rovaniemi more as a result of shared national symbols and a publicized Finnish identity than as a result of direct, personal interaction. If you want another example, just think about the situation of the Saami in Norway. Many Saami happen to live within the boundaries of the political and legal territory called Norway, yet not many of them would consider themselves particularly Norwegian. Maybe I can post an essay about the Saami in another topic.

NeonVomit · Post by **NeonVomit** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:00 pm

Stealth wrote:
NeonVomit wrote:Anyway, anyone who thinks Finland isnt a sovereign state is dumb. Look at the crazy moon-language they speak
No one denies that Finland (or any other nation-state for that matter) is a sovereign state. I think most of you are missing the point.

I was just being silly... and pointing out that Finnish language is... um... quite unique. It's like Norwegian and English went to war, and the only thing that survived were vowels and 3 consonants

(apologies to anyone who was offended at that unprovoked attack on their language)

Stealth · Post by **Stealth** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:30 pm

NeonVomit wrote:I was just being silly... and pointing out that Finnish language is... um... quite unique. It's like Norwegian and English went to war, and the only thing that survived were vowels and 3 consonants

(apologies to anyone who was offended at that unprovoked attack on their language)

Funny that you mention that, because I always complain about the opposite. With Spanish being my native language, I think that the English language uses way too many consonants and it should have more vowels in order to make pronunciation easier.

Also, Finnish pronunciation is much more similar to Spanish than to English because both Finnish and Spanish are phonetic languages. As a result, the Finnish use of vowels is something I see as positive because vowels make words flow more easily.

What would become of Finnish, Spanish and Italian without a generous dose of vowels?!?

Probably something like Icelandic! Ohhhhh!!!!! The horror!!!!!!!!!

Carcass · Post by **Carcass** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:41 pm

Stealth wrote:
NeonVomit wrote:Anyway, anyone who thinks Finland isnt a sovereign state is dumb. Look at the crazy moon-language they speak
No one denies that Finland (or any other nation-state for that matter) is a sovereign state. I think most of you are missing the point.
Carcass: I'm surprised about your comments because what you said about the fact that there hasn't always been national identities is exactly what some classmates and I have discussed in one of my classes at university.
The point is that nation-states are, for the most part, legal entities (which usually include a common language, but this is not always the case). So again, no one denies that Finland is a sovereign state, but the idea of "Finnishness" is not some natural concept that is innately present in all Finns. The idea that all 5.5 million (or so) Finns share some ''national'' characteristics that are natural to all of them is deceiving. A person from Turku might feel identified with a person from Rovaniemi more as a result of shared national symbols and a publicized Finnish identity than as a result of direct, personal interaction. If you want another example, just think about the situation of the Saami in Norway. Many Saami happen to live within the boundaries of the political and legal territory called Norway, yet not many of them would consider themselves particularly Norwegian. Maybe I can post an essay about the Saami in another topic.

Actually, this has been briefly mentioned in my classes too. This is one of the main interests of a doctor in my university.

Carcass · Post by **Carcass** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:47 pm

NeonVomit wrote:
Stealth wrote:
NeonVomit wrote:Anyway, anyone who thinks Finland isnt a sovereign state is dumb. Look at the crazy moon-language they speak
No one denies that Finland (or any other nation-state for that matter) is a sovereign state. I think most of you are missing the point.
I was just being silly... and pointing out that Finnish language is... um... quite unique. It's like Norwegian and English went to war, and the only thing that survived were vowels and 3 consonants

(apologies to anyone who was offended at that unprovoked attack on their language)

browneyedgirl · Post by **browneyedgirl** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:51 am

NeonVomit wrote:Can we please not turn this thread into a political debate? There are enough of those here already.

I guess that is what I get for admitting to having a politician as a hero!

As Bob Dylan says, "Politics is an instrument of the Devil".

Speaking of which, Bob Dylan seems to be a great guy, he's probably somebody's hero.

miditek · Post by **miditek** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:59 am

browneyedgirl wrote:
NeonVomit wrote:Can we please not turn this thread into a political debate? There are enough of those here already.
I guess that is what I get for admitting to having a politician as a hero!

As Bob Dylan says, "Politics is an instrument of the Devil".

Speaking of which, Bob Dylan seems to be a great guy, he's probably somebody's hero.

Hendrix most definitely considered Dylan to be one of his heroes, as did Springsteen, Tom Petty, and many others.

Carcass · Post by **Carcass** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:00 am

Carcass wrote:
Stealth wrote:
NeonVomit wrote:Anyway, anyone who thinks Finland isnt a sovereign state is dumb. Look at the crazy moon-language they speak
No one denies that Finland (or any other nation-state for that matter) is a sovereign state. I think most of you are missing the point.
Carcass: I'm surprised about your comments because what you said about the fact that there hasn't always been national identities is exactly what some classmates and I have discussed in one of my classes at university.
The point is that nation-states are, for the most part, legal entities (which usually include a common language, but this is not always the case). So again, no one denies that Finland is a sovereign state, but the idea of "Finnishness" is not some natural concept that is innately present in all Finns. The idea that all 5.5 million (or so) Finns share some ''national'' characteristics that are natural to all of them is deceiving. A person from Turku might feel identified with a person from Rovaniemi more as a result of shared national symbols and a publicized Finnish identity than as a result of direct, personal interaction. If you want another example, just think about the situation of the Saami in Norway. Many Saami happen to live within the boundaries of the political and legal territory called Norway, yet not many of them would consider themselves particularly Norwegian. Maybe I can post an essay about the Saami in another topic.
Actually, this has been briefly mentioned in my classes too. This is one of the main interests of a doctor in my university.

Post the essay to me as a PM instead. I don't have too much time on my hands at the moment, but when I do, I'd very much like to read it.

miditek · Post by **miditek** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:16 pm

For musical heroes, I think I'd offer the following list:

The Original G3 dudes;

* Joe Satriani
* Steve Vai
* Yngwie

For other guitarists,

* Ritchie Blackmore
* Uli Roth
* Tolkki
* Andy LaRoche

Keys

* Jens
* Rick Wakeman
* Keith Emerson
* Fred Schendel

Drums

* Neil Peart
* Mikkey Dee
* Mike Portnoy
* Anders

Bass

* Tony Levin
* Geddy Lee
* Tony Franklin

Vocalists

* Tony Harnell
* David Rolen
* Dio

Carcass · Post by **Carcass** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:01 pm

Frank Zappa is pretty close to being a hero for me.

browneyedgirl · Post by **browneyedgirl** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:16 pm

Carcass wrote:Frank Zappa is pretty close to being a hero for me.

The Cosmic Utensil
Why Does it Hurt When I Pee?

Two really great funny songs.

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