South Ossetia conflict

[icecab21]

thats why it's the UNunited nations

so much blind self interest and payoffs. a whole system of economic blackmail and worse

[browneyedgirl]

So, this conflict has started settling down for the most part?
I figured it would if the USA would just stay neutral.

But, those conspiracy sites have been alive with those gloom&doom predictions about this.

[R.F.]

The latest news - Georgia doesn`t let 16 Russian citizens (tourists) to leave it`s territory. A very dangerous decision, because it can damage Georgians in Russia and even cause massacres. I remember the previous anti-Georgian information campaign two years ago. That time it was not lucky to be a Georgian in Moscow. I don`t know where from so much hatred comes to our society. But what I see now in blogosphere - those people who wrote about "bloody Putin`s regime" are now writing something like "Tanks to Tbilisi!". A ridiculous change in mind. So many people here turned out to be militarists... And anti-American feelings are heating as well.

[Shurik]

The latest news - Georgia doesn`t let 16 Russian citizens (tourists) to leave it`s territory. A very dangerous decision, because it can damage Georgians in Russia and even cause massacres. I remember the previous anti-Georgian information campaign two years ago. That time it was not lucky to be a Georgian in Moscow. I don`t know where from so much hatred comes to our society. But what I see now in blogosphere - those people who wrote about "bloody Putin`s regime" are now writing something like "Tanks to Tbilisi!". A ridiculous change in mind. So many people here turned out to be militarists... And anti-American feelings are heating as well.

The Russians are very good at searching for someone guilty in their troubles - it can be Jews, Georgians, Putin, Yeltsin, America or aliens, it doesn't matter much, someone always has to be guilty in Russia's trouble.

The extreme levels of xenophobia in Russia is not something new or surprising ...

[browneyedgirl]

Is it true that alot of Russian News agencies are keeping tight-lipped, and not letting any news out to the West?
Last I heard a couple hours ago, Russia had sunk a Georgian battleship, and a couple of USA aircraft carriers were going in closer from the Gulf.
I know its Monday now in Russia, so I hope to read some new news about all this before bedtime tonight!

[miditek]

The latest news - Georgia doesn`t let 16 Russian citizens (tourists) to leave it`s territory. A very dangerous decision, because it can damage Georgians in Russia and even cause massacres.

Certainly an unfortunate situation, and potentially dangerous for everyone concerned. IF Tbilisi is provoking the Kremlin, then I think that has to be an incredibly stupid thing to do. On the other hand, this is an opportunity for ordinary Russians, as well as the police, to do the right thing and protect Georgian minorities within their borders. Who knows? It might be a gesture that would be reciprocated by Georgians when it comes time to protect ethnic Russians in their country. Just a thought.

I remember the previous anti-Georgian information campaign two years ago. That time it was not lucky to be a Georgian in Moscow. I don`t know where from so much hatred comes to our society. But what I see now in blogosphere - those people who wrote about "bloody Putin`s regime" are now writing something like "Tanks to Tbilisi!".

I hate to see things like this happening- Slavs should not be killing fellow Slavs. (What happened to the sense of brotherhood that they supposedly share, i.e., the common ties between Russians and Serbs, for example?

A ridiculous change in mind. So many people here turned out to be militarists... And anti-American feelings are heating as well.

Again, I hate to see those types of sentiments. There are a lot of Russian expatriates here in America, and as I stated, I work with some, and know several more. I can't imagine anyone here hurting them- they are well liked and respected here in our community, and these are fellow Christians that we're talking about! (Yes, the ones that I work with go to some of the same churches (Protestant) that I do. This is something that I won't even discuss with them- after all, we have to work together and live in the same neighborhoods.

No one in America wants war with Russia, however I do believe that war with Iran is all but inevitable. That will be very unfortunate, since a lot of Russian nuclear scientists and engineers are bound to be killed if massive airstrikes occur at Iranian nuclear plants. I have to wonder what the Kremlin is thinking by building these plants for Iran, and then burying them in deep bunkers- and then selling hundreds of millions of dollars worth of the latest SAM missile systems to protect those sites. Common sense would seem to dictate that a nuclear plant for normal civilian use would not have its master control rooms buried deep inside of bomb-proof bunkers, and then protected by networks of the latest SAM technology.

The SAM system is not yet on-line, but it seems that an assault on Iran by Israel, America or both (before the SAM sites are activated) already seems like a done deal- two additional US carrier groups are headed to the Persian Gulf even as we speak.

Then Syria gets a nuclear plant (bombed out by the Israelis last year), and then Damascus also gets sophisticated air defense systems. Hezbollah keeps getting sophisticated weaponary as well- including the latest Russian anti-tank missiles, to be used against? Who else? Israel. I wonder that with all of the problems that Russia has had with Islamic insurgents in their own country that what are they thinking? They are playing a very, very dangerous game of proxy war by arming the enemies of Israel and America.

All of this could very well draw Russia and America into war with each other over Iran and Israel. I can very easily see how this could set the stage for the Biblical War of Gog and Magog, as outlined in Ezekiel ch. 38. The stakes are much, much higher than a regional conflict between Russia and Georgia. I think that everyone knows that Russia could crush Georgia quite easily.

While I certainly hope that this does not come to pass, it is beginning to look more likely with each passing day. War with America will not be the same as war with Georgia.

[R.F.]

The Russians are very good at searching for someone guilty in their troubles - it can be Jews, Georgians, Putin, Yeltsin, America or aliens, it doesn't matter much, someone always has to be guilty in Russia's trouble.

The extreme levels of xenophobia in Russia is not something new or surprising ...

Yes, it`s true, but I didn`t know that we can change the object of xenophobia that easily. AActually according to history (I mean the times of Ancient Rus and Russian Empire) there was only one hated object - Jews because of religion. Then the so intellegence people found out that they can hate the authorities. And then when Soviets came to power those authorities found out that it`s better to make all people hate America&Co. This is the mechanism of filling the broad Russian soul with hatred -_-

s it true that alot of Russian News agencies are keeping tight-lipped, and not letting any news out to the West?
Last I heard a couple hours ago, Russia had sunk a Georgian battleship, and a couple of USA aircraft carriers were going in closer from the Gulf.
I know its Monday now in Russia, so I hope to read some new news about all this before bedtime tonight! Confused

Well, we were informed of a sunk battleship, but no information about US carriers. But I think that it`s not that Russian agencies can stop information flowing to the West. Western agencies have lots of correspondents in the region, especially Reuters who make lots of photos. Remember that both sides use a huge amount of propaganda. The latest here - some net-resource claimed that Georgian pres. Saakashvili tried to commit suicide. Wonder who can believe this...
I`m going to my workplace now - it`s also a news agency - and try to look through inner messaging. Maybe there is something interesting.

[browneyedgirl]

I can very easily see how this could set the stage for the Biblical War of Gog and Magog, as outlined in Ezekiel ch. 38. The stakes are much, much higher than a regional conflict between Russia and Georgia. I think that everyone knows that Russia could crush Georgia quite easily.

While I certainly hope that this does not come to pass, it is beginning to look more likely with each passing day. War with America will not be the same as war with Georgia.

I have been thinkng the same, but I have kept my feelings to myself. While I do not believe the Georgia-Russia conflict is the beginning of the end, I think it might be a "harbinger" of some sort, of worse things to come. Possibly in our own lifetime.

[AGAG]

I can very easily see how this could set the stage for the Biblical War of Gog and Magog, as outlined in Ezekiel ch. 38. The stakes are much, much higher than a regional conflict between Russia and Georgia. I think that everyone knows that Russia could crush Georgia quite easily.

While I certainly hope that this does not come to pass, it is beginning to look more likely with each passing day. War with America will not be the same as war with Georgia.

I have been thinkng the same, but I have kept my feelings to myself. While I do not believe the Georgia-Russia conflict is the beginning of the end, I think it might be a "harbinger" of some sort, of worse things to come. Possibly in our own lifetime.

So This is how WW3 starts...

[black death]

Here, in Russia, it is highly believed that UN is uneffecient because, while being funded mainly by US, it is not always supporting their interests. Other countries do not seem to like the idea of rising their share in UN, so it`s rotting...

Can you explain it pls?

[NeonVomit]

Here we go with 'target painting around the arrow' again

[COUGAR]

Brzezinski's Georgia Puppets Attack Russia - WWIII In Sight
http://www.rense.com/general82/indt.htm

THIS is the Bullshit that those conspiracy websites are hawking now. For God's sake.

Things are bad, but these sites make everything out to be 100 times worse than it really is.

[R.F.]

hate to see things like this happening- Slavs should not be killing fellow Slavs. (What happened to the sense of brotherhood that they supposedly share, i.e., the common ties between Russians and Serbs, for example?

Unfortunately the ties became too weak after so many years of independence. And, of course, Georgians are not Slavs at all.

Here, in Russia, it is highly believed that UN is uneffecient because, while being funded mainly by US, it is not always supporting their interests. Other countries do not seem to like the idea of rising their share in UN, so it`s rotting...

Can you explain it pls?

It`s easy. About 1/4 of UN budget is the money of US taxpayers. Much more than most other countries. So, think as about yourself, if you pay that much, you expect more support from those whose work you provide financially. Military crimes in Iraq and so on cannot be supported even for money, so the US investment is not compensating itself. I guess, USA is not very interested in UN - and there is no another country to take it over from them.

Here we go with 'target painting around the arrow' again

Again this is the only thing we can do. Just like in case of Tolkki and Stratovarius.

Brzezinski's Georgia Puppets Attack Russia - WWIII In Sight
http://www.rense.com/general82/indt.htm

THIS is the Bullshit that those conspiracy websites are hawking now. For God's sake. Rolling Eyes

Things are bad, but these sites make everything out to be 100 times worse than it really is.

Unfortunately this shit is not worse than the shit broadcasted on CNN or 1TV Russian channel. Just imagine - in the morning Russian channels show footage with missile bomings in it and say "On this video you see Georgians bombing peaceful Tshinvali" and some hours later the same footage appears on CNN as "Russian forces bomb Georgian cities". It`s ridiculous. Don`t know who is right, but in my opinion they all lie.

I looked through Associated Press messages from 8th August and compared them to the news of mine ITAR-TASS agency. In the beginning they all are the same. It seems that it was really Georgia who started the war. If anyone wants to look it through, I may upload that archive somewhere...

[NeonVomit]

Here we go with 'target painting around the arrow' again

Again this is the only thing we can do. Just like in case of Tolkki and Stratovarius.

I was referring to other posters using these events as 'proof' of other stuff. Anyway, there's already several threads' worth of that topic so I've little desire to start going through it again.

[Morgana]

The Russians are very good at searching for someone guilty in their troubles - it can be Jews, Georgians, Putin, Yeltsin, America or aliens, it doesn't matter much, someone always has to be guilty in Russia's trouble.

The extreme levels of xenophobia in Russia is not something new or surprising ...

I'm surprised to hear this from YOU... As I know you have Russian roots?

[browneyedgirl]

I can very easily see how this could set the stage for the Biblical War of Gog and Magog, as outlined in Ezekiel ch. 38. The stakes are much, much higher than a regional conflict between Russia and Georgia. I think that everyone knows that Russia could crush Georgia quite easily.

While I certainly hope that this does not come to pass, it is beginning to look more likely with each passing day. War with America will not be the same as war with Georgia.

I have been thinkng the same, but I have kept my feelings to myself. While I do not believe the Georgia-Russia conflict is the beginning of the end, I think it might be a "harbinger" of some sort, of worse things to come. Possibly in our own lifetime.

So This is how WW3 starts...

Hopefully, not. But, NO HUMAN knows the future. NOBODY does.

[R.F.]

An LJ-post by a Russian journalist from here - http://m-romanoff.livejournal.com/34433.html
Translation:

"I am alive

All Russian journalists (27 at all) are now in Vladikavkaz (a capital of North Ossetia - R.F.). We came here with a column. We were shelled with a grenade launcher, but no one was seriously injured. Only Ruslan Gusarov from NTV (4th Russian channel - R.F.) stayed in that hell. Alone. Without an operator. I pray for him.
All details later. Images as well. Be sure, I have something to say.

Now I can say only one thing: do not believe TV. Neither Russian, nor Georgian (which means - Western). There are far more fatalities.

We arrived at night. We should have written this post at night, because many of you were anxious about us. But we all we so pissed off during our way and later in the hotel.

Thanks to all, I recieved over 200 SMS. Forgive me for not answering to everybody - the communication was provided by Georgian mobile operator, money disappeared in no time.

PS. Sasha Sladkov ("Sladkiy") - a war analyst from the 2nd channel - and his group were injured, they are in the hospital now. Alexander Kots from KP ("Komsomolskaya Pravda", one of the main popular newspapers in Russia - R.F.) also had his arms and leg shot".

[browneyedgirl]

If all the news coming out of that area is wrong, or biased, how are we going to know what is really happening over there?

Just hope for the best?

[black death]

It`s easy. About 1/4 of UN budget is the money of US taxpayers. Much more than most other countries. So, think as about yourself, if you pay that much, you expect more support from those whose work you provide financially. Military crimes in Iraq and so on cannot be supported even for money, so the US investment is not compensating itself. I guess, USA is not very interested in UN - and there is no another country to take it over from them.

You have a huge imagination


Russian military pushes into Georgia

[Shurik]

The Russians are very good at searching for someone guilty in their troubles - it can be Jews, Georgians, Putin, Yeltsin, America or aliens, it doesn't matter much, someone always has to be guilty in Russia's trouble.

The extreme levels of xenophobia in Russia is not something new or surprising ...

I'm surprised to hear this from YOU... As I know you have Russian roots?

I was born in former USSR, in Ukraine. I'm Jewish.
I don't have much sympathy for Russia or Ukraine ...

[miditek]

It`s easy. About 1/4 of UN budget is the money of US taxpayers. Much more than most other countries.

That is largely an accurate number- roughly 25% of the UN's budget is paid from the U.S. Treasury. How ironic that the U.S. taxpayers continue to feed and quarter such an inept and corrupt anti-American organization. Personally, I think that the U.N. should get booted out of New York and sent to Geneva.

So, think as about yourself, if you pay that much, you expect more support from those whose work you provide financially.

Another way to look at it could be presented in the form of a question- just how much of an ROI (Return On Investment) does the U.S. get from its annual contributions to the UN? The short answer is, very little, if anything. Basically, the Dept. of the Treasury is simply pissing away billions on absolutely nothing- except to make third world dictators rich. All the more reason to kick these rapacious leeches out of New York once and for all.

Military crimes in Iraq and so on cannot be supported even for money, so the US investment is not compensating itself. I guess, USA is not very interested in UN - and there is no another country to take it over from them.

No offense intended to you personally, but I find it more than a bit strange for Russians (or for that matter, Germans, Japanese, Serbs, etc.) to preach to Americans about war crimes. No country is innocent, as atrocities have been committed at some point in history by nearly every ethnic group and nationality. Had American truly decided to make Iraq a conquest, it would not have been much of a problem to completely flatten the country and simply take the fucking oil.

[browneyedgirl]

Well, I have been websurfing many of the various news sites, conspiracy sites, and a few lesser known information sites. Almost all of them say that this conflict is worse than what has been reported. And, also there has been stepped up activity at all the major USA air force bases. Whether this has anything to do with the conflict, I don't know. One more thing, on one site it was said the nation was under Delcon-2 now, which is quite scarey if this is true(that was what USA was under during the Cuban Missile Crisis). We would not be told if it were true, I think.
But, in a situation like this What news can be really believed? I don't know what sources to trust anymore.

[R.F.]

You have a huge imagination
Russian military pushes into Georgia

It seems you`re already a victim of information war. I`ve already told that what CNN news is about - as a journalist I declare they`ve betrayed the basic principles of our profession. What I`ve told of UN is absolutely true, I remember an alarming article in The Economist about this earlier this year or maybe last autumn. I`ll search for it.

No offense intended to you personally, but I find it more than a bit strange for Russians (or for that matter, Germans, Japanese, Serbs, etc.) to preach to Americans about war crimes. No country is innocent, as atrocities have been committed at some point in history by nearly every ethnic group and nationality. Had American truly decided to make Iraq a conquest, it would not have been much of a problem to completely flatten the country and simply take the fucking oil.

Yes, I am sorry, emotions overtake me sometimes) Even though I`m not a patriot at all and try to find the only real truth.

Well, I have been websurfing many of the various news sites, conspiracy sites, and a few lesser known information sites. Almost all of them say that this conflict is worse than what has been reported. And, also there has been stepped up activity at all the major USA air force bases. Whether this has anything to do with the conflict, I don't know. One more thing, on one site it was said the nation was under Delcon-2 now, which is quite scarey if this is true(that was what USA was under during the Cuban Missile Crisis). We would not be told if it were true, I think.
But, in a situation like this What news can be really believed? I don't know what sources to trust anymore. Buh

Well,I think we can find it out in controversies. For example, yesterday Georgia claimed that Russia took its town Gori (Stalin`s birthplace, btw), but later a Reuters correspondent went there and reported the town was absolutely empty. Here, in Russia, media says that Georgia is nervous, because West doesn`t like the idea of supporting it and if politics do not come to a conclusion, army will have to march accross Georgia and overthrow Saakashvili. It would be awful for everyone. But they say that this "succesful demonstration of power should be fulfilled". No comments...
Concearning thew sources - I believe LJ-posts from witnesses. Not from wannabe-witnesses, but from people who are real and known. And probably we may trust some analytics from European press, some newspapers do not have a firm biased position.

[black death]

You have a huge imagination
Russian military pushes into Georgia

It seems you`re already a victim of information war. I`ve already told that what CNN news is about - as a journalist I declare they`ve betrayed the basic principles of our profession. What I`ve told of UN is absolutely true, I remember an alarming article in The Economist about this earlier this year or maybe last autumn. I`ll search for it.

BBC
Reuters
Al Jazeera
Brasil news

All journalist in the world are betraying the basic principles of the profession, only the Russian journalists not, is it what you wanted to say?

Anyway, I'll stop instigate you, I've better things to do

[Jabi]

According to Ylen Uutiset Medvedev has ordered the Russian Army to cease military action in Georgia.

[Shurik]

According to Ylen Uutiset Medvedev has ordered the Russian Army to cease military action in Georgia.

Yeah, I've read it too. He ordered to cease military action because "the Georgia was punished enough for their acts of aggression".

Fucking Putin's puppet, who the hell is Russia to punish an independent state and to stick its nose in other countries' affairs?

[NeonVomit]

Fucking [insert name here]'s puppet, who the hell is [insert country's name here] to punish an independent state and to stick its nose in other countries' affairs?

This statement can now be used for anyone.

[R.F.]

You have a huge imagination
Russian military pushes into Georgia

It seems you`re already a victim of information war. I`ve already told that what CNN news is about - as a journalist I declare they`ve betrayed the basic principles of our profession. What I`ve told of UN is absolutely true, I remember an alarming article in The Economist about this earlier this year or maybe last autumn. I`ll search for it.

BBC
Reuters
Al Jazeera
Brasil news

All journalist in the world are betraying the basic principles of the profession, only the Russian journalists not, is it what you wanted to say?

Anyway, I'll stop instigate you, I've better things to do

Well, I can give a number of links where quite opposite things are written. Whom should we believe? I doubt that a rationally thinking person can give a firm answer. I may only repeat - I would recommend not to trust in any official sources as they all obviously are the sides of the conflict themselves. It is another, information war for our minds. You`ve got to use other sources. If you do know such ones like Indymedia, for example, - get informed of them. As for me, I have two friends of mine working in South Ossetia, so I would trust their information.
I have no intention to argue as well, because it is impossible to argue with an opponent who even does not read my posts carefully. I wonder where did he find "betraying the basic principles of the profession, only the Russian journalists not" in my posts? Is that imagination? I`ve seen such things on many english-speaking forums, on RR forum for example. The people do not read posts of their opponents and say only what they have in mind. They answer not to their opponents, but to someone they`ve imagined to themselves. It seems that Mr. black death keeps in mind only the fact that I am Russian citizen and physically I am on another side of the conflict. Probably there are many anti-Russian feelings in Czech republic, it is is understandable since USSR years... anyway, I cannot say much about this. He turns out to be absolutely not interested in what I tell. It`s a converstion between deaf and dumb. And the converstion between West and East is still just the same, remember the UN council.
2black death - good luck with your better things

The example of bias I am watching just now from the work. Today here in Moscow a press-conference took place - just after a meating of France-Finland-Russia foreign secretaries and some people from OSCE. Assosiated Press gave two messages about it:

222 intw mos parf lpa glbh eurw
^URGENT
^Lavrov calls on Georgian president to step down
^Eds: APNewsNow
MOSCOW (AP) _ Russia's foreign minister says Georgia's
president must leave office and is demanding that Georgian
troops stay out of South Ossetia for good.
Sergey Lavrov also says that Moscow won't talk to Georgian
President Mikhail Saakashvili. He says the best thing for
Saakashvili to do «would be to step down.»
Lavrov's statement sets a tough stage for Russia's talks
with French President Nicolas Sarkozy who is heading to
Moscow Tuesday to negotiate an EU-brokered truce for the
fierce conflict over Georgia's breakaway region.
120836 aug 08GMT

MOSCOW (AP) _ Russian news reports say Russian president
has ordered an end to military action in Georgia.
120853 aug 08GMT

We here at ITAR-TASS gave at least 20 messages, not including extensions.

The speach was broadcasted on TV.

URGENT 11:11:01 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia`s goal - to return South Ossetia to peace. Russian foreing secretary Sergey Lavrov told about this on his meeting with his Finnish collegue Alexander Stubb.

URGENT 11:41:17 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. "Illegal decision of Saakashvili" to start military actions in South Ossetia led to a catastrophe - Lavrov

URGENT 11:42:25 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. There is a real "humanitarian catastrophe in South Ossetia" - Sergey Lavrov

URGENT 11:43:35 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia has no another goal except making peace for Ossetian nation - Sergey Lavrov

URGENT 11:44:10 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia acts according to the 51st article of UN code about the right for individual and collective defense - Lavrov

URGENT 11:44:40 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. "We have no trust in this Georgian authorities" - Seger Lavrov

URGENT 11:46:26 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Unlike it was expected, "USA did not keep Saakashvili from solving his conflicts using army" - Sergey Lavrov

URGENT 11:47:54 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia will fulfil its promises to finish the operation of persuading Georgia to peace and preventing the same situation in future - Segey Lavrov

URGENT 11:51:43 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Sergey Lavrov charachterised the actions of Georgia in South Ossetia as "ethnic cleansing and genocide"

URGENT 11:57:52 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. OSCE still has no a judicially obliging document of cease-fire from the side of Georgia - Stubb

URGENT 12:00:59 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. "The agressor is to leave the territory he tried to conquer" - Sergey Lavrov

URGENT 12:00:59 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia is against of Georgian peacekeepers to stay in South Ossetia - Lavrov

URGENT 12:02:36 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Georgian army xhould be expelled from peacekeeping forces, because they "ashamed themselves", shooting Russian peacekeepers - Sergey Lavrov

URGENT 12:02:36 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Georgian forces should leave all regions from which they shelled South Ossetia - Sergey Lavrov

URGENT 12:05:59: MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Sergey Lavrov offered to create a demilitarised zone in the region of the conflict

URGENT 12:15:29: MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia will never hold negotiations with Saakashvili, he commited crimes against his own citizens and did not confess his fault - Lavrov

URGENT 12:16:06: MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia thinks that it would be better for Saakashvili to resing, but nobody ever had a plan to topple him - Lavrov

URGENT 12:17:39: MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia thinks that Tbilisi doings in South Ossetia should be watched by an international tribunal - Sergey Lavrov

URGENT 12:24:18 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. By its "barbaric action in South Ossetia Tbilisi damaged its own territorial integrity", and this is "absolute truth" - Sergey Lavrov

URGENT 12:43:57 : MOSCOW, 12th Aug. /ITAR-TASS/. Medvedev informed that he decided to finish the operation of persuading Georgia to peace.

It is not like I claim everything that Lavrov says is truth. I simply try to understand, why AP picks a little piece of information from the whole speach and ignores other. I bet, you see only that AP quote on CNN now. This is what modern journalism about.

[quote="NeonVomit]This statement can now be used for anyone.[/quote]

Pitful truth

[Morgana]

I don't have much sympathy for Russia or Ukraine ...

Well, Russian Federation and Ukraine are different countries... My father is from Ukraine but I don't feel much sympathy to this country too, especially now.

[Shurik]

I don't have much sympathy for Russia or Ukraine ...

Well, Russian Federation and Ukraine are different countries... My father is from Ukraine but I don't feel much sympathy to this country too, especially now.

Well, my lack of sympathy is symmetric ...