Helloween Guitarrists

icecab21 · Post by **icecab21** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:49 pm

he has a voice that you don't like at most but that does not make him a bad singer. showing his stuff do vocal teachers does that get the adverse reaction that you show and i think vocal teachers know a little more about what they are talking about.

Ragehead91 · Post by **Ragehead91** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:00 pm

Somehow I really doubt that. Has anyone here ever shown Kai's stuff to a vocal teacher? Everything including the Helloween EP and Walls of Jericho?

icecab21 · Post by **icecab21** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:04 pm

everything? no. some? yes. i'm not saying the stuff was praised as the ideal form, but it certainly was not "the worst ever".

Ragehead91 · Post by **Ragehead91** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:05 pm

How can someone say that Kai's singing is good? I don't get it.

icecab21 · Post by **icecab21** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:14 pm

when it's on pitch and he hits notes from multiple octives. can it really be called bad singing to hold notes on pitch?

Mormegil · Post by **Mormegil** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:36 pm

Ragehead91 wrote:How can someone say that Kai's singing is good? I don't get it.

I find it hard to understand why anyone would hate his voice.
Technically he is fine (well, at least on Gamma Ray albums) and he has very distinctive voice, which is something I always value.
I like his voice a lot more than Ralf Scheepers' who, in my opinion, tries too hard to sound like Rob Halford.

Florian · Post by **Florian** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:17 pm

Ralf Scheepers' voice sounds like Rob Halford's.
Gamma Ray's music on the last albums sounds like Judas Priest's.

Ralf Scheepers + actual Gamma Ray = Judas Priest

Ragehead91 · Post by **Ragehead91** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:22 pm

Ralf Scheepers is a 100 times better then Kai Hansen will ever be. Kai made a big mistake when he let Scheepers go in 1994.

So "distinctive" is another synonym for "sounds like shit"? Seriously, how can anyone like this shitty voice? He ruins every song he sings! The I Want Out cover made by HammerFall for example. Would've been a great cover if it wasn't for Hansen to sing on it! Why can't that guy just focus on guitar and stop singing like Tolkki did? Why can't he just get a new singer? There are a shitload of singer out there who are a thousand times better then he his. The former Domain singer Carsten Schulz or the Twilightning singer Heikki Pöyhiä? Why doesn't he get one of those? Then the Gamma Ray Albums would be listenable again.

Florian · Post by **Florian** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:41 pm

I like his voice and I'm not the only one... It's just a matter of tastes.

hiro23 · Post by **hiro23** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:06 pm

I like Kai's voice and I've said it before, however ragehead doesn't have to like it, he's got a different taste and there is nothing wrong with that.

Florian · Post by **Florian** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:56 am

Yes, it's just a point of view like another one.

Babylon · Post by **Babylon** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:28 am

Ragehead91 wrote:I wonder if they'll release something this year. I know there was talk of a 25th Anniversary surprise but until now nothing has been announced.

Sascha said on his My Space a couple months ago that they are taking the rest of the year off

I also heard Andi will work on another solo album - which I really really hope is true. But who knows.

BTW, did you guys like the winner for the 25th anniversary T-shirt contest? I thought there were better ones - not saying it because the design me & my brother sent didn't win

- I think we came in 6th or something, but I don't think the winner was that cool.

hiro23 wrote:I like Kai's voice and I've said it before, however ragehead doesn't have to like it, he's got a different taste and there is nothing wrong with that.

Yea, just different points of view. We are not gonna convince him that Kai is not that bad. But then again, some people like Blaze Bayley... I don't get that...

Ragehead91 · Post by **Ragehead91** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:33 am

Babylon wrote:
Ragehead91 wrote:I wonder if they'll release something this year. I know there was talk of a 25th Anniversary surprise but until now nothing has been announced.
Sascha said on his My Space a couple months ago that they are taking the rest of the year off I also heard Andi will work on another solo album - which I really really hope is true. But who knows.

I hope not. I think Andi's solo stuff is really lame.

hiro23 · Post by **hiro23** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:02 am

Ouch dude, I mean just ouch

Ragehead91 · Post by **Ragehead91** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:15 am

What? I just would like to see a new Helloween record instead of a Andi Deris solo record. I like the stuff he wrote for Helloween, apart from 1 song, and I like Pink Cream 69 but his solo stuff not so much.

hiro23 · Post by **hiro23** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:15 am

Ragehead:it's cool, anyhow I'm sure they've got some plans in the works for the next album.

icecab21 · Post by **icecab21** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:20 am

they are all working on a deris solo album to piss off ragehead so he can live up to his name.

Babylon · Post by **Babylon** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:44 am

Ragehead91 wrote:I think Andi's solo stuff is really lame.

!!!!

Well it's of course different from Helloween. What would be the point of making a solo record if it's gonna sound exactly like your band? I love both albums, especially Done By Mirrors - not metal but good stuff and he sings awesome on that one.

icecab21 wrote:they are all working on a deris solo album to piss off ragehead so he can live up to his name.

hiro23 · Post by **hiro23** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:49 am

I'm with babylon, andi's solo stuff is supposed to be different, however I will respect your opinion ragehead as you did not say andi himself is lame.

Babylon · Post by **Babylon** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:28 am

hiro23 wrote: ragehead as you did not say andi himself is lame.

Oh and he (or anyone) better not! :pissed2:

hiro23 · Post by **hiro23** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:42 am

I also really liked Markus Grosskopf's bass invaders

Ragehead91 · Post by **Ragehead91** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:45 am

I didn't like it at all. Some Ideas are genious and others are just cursed to fail. Bassinvaders is the 2nd. But I like Shock Machine.

hiro23 · Post by **hiro23** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:53 am

I would have to disagree, I thought it was a great original album

Ragehead91 · Post by **Ragehead91** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:56 am

Sorry, but I just don't think that a Bass and drums only album works. I didn't like it at all.

hiro23 · Post by **hiro23** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:47 am

What did you think about Iron Savior?

Ragehead91 · Post by **Ragehead91** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:56 am

Iron Savior rulez. Mainly because of the fact that Kai isn't singing on the albums apart from a few tracks! No, jokes aside, Iron Savior is great. I love the voice of the singer/Guitarist and they're overall a truly great and very underrated band. But I have to say I like the albms that have Hansen on Guitar better than the later ones.

Florian · Post by **Florian** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:07 pm

Ragehead91 wrote:Iron Savior rulez. Mainly because of the fact that Kai isn't singing on the albums apart from a few tracks! No, jokes aside, Iron Savior is great. I love the voice of the singer/Guitarist and they're overall a truly great and very underrated band. But I have to say I like the albms that have Hansen on Guitar better than the later ones.

Yes the 3 first albums are great but after Kai's departure, the band records an album which sounds like the previous one, etc etc

Ragehead91 · Post by **Ragehead91** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:11 pm

I'm not saying that the albums without Kai are worse. I just like the ones with Kai more. The other ones are also awesome.

hiro23 · Post by **hiro23** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:02 pm

Ragehead:I agree the one's with Kai are awesome, I also like the others but I agree that the Kai ones are the best, I like Thomen Stauch on the first one

Ragehead91 · Post by **Ragehead91** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:41 pm

I wish they'd make a new album.

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