Report: Israelis blew apart Syrian nuclear cache

[NeonVomit]

Take a look at this- any comments?

Israelis seized nuclear material in Syrian raid
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 512380.ece

Until someone involved in this will come out and present the facts, all that we read in press is pure speculations and nothing more than this.

Yes. Interesting how no government or military spokesperson is saying anything about this. 'Informed source' might be the janitor who overheard something.

[Shurik]

Take a look at this- any comments?

Israelis seized nuclear material in Syrian raid
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 512380.ece

Until someone involved in this will come out and present the facts, all that we read in press is pure speculations and nothing more than this.

Yes. Interesting how no government or military spokesperson is saying anything about this. 'Informed source' might be the janitor who overheard something.

Yeah, something like that or tabloid writers' wild imagination.
Every county that has a special forces units, uses them on regular basis and most of what they do is never published except when it's either something really big (like Entebe operation) or a major screw-up ... All the 'regular" operations remain classified for years ... This is just how the special forces and the intelligence services work.

[miditek]

This may be a bit off-topic , but in my mind there is a big dilemma about talking to defend him-/herself or peace with guns.
I just can´t understand that at all...but I am a pacifist .

I don't have anything against people that are pacifists if that is one of their core beliefs and that they simply want to avoid trouble. In fact, I think it makes a lot of sense- if you live in a country such as Finland.

However, America is dramatically different. In Finland, you probably don't have to worry about a crackhead climbing through the window of your house with the intent to rob and/or kill you. Carjackings are probably non-existent in your country also- and trust me, I'm glad that it is that way. I wouldn't wish American's burdens on your country at all. People have even be killed in nice, expensive neighborhoods- by criminals, and right here in my city.

Still, there are too many people causing problems over here in the States, and as I stated previously to Tolkki, I would not hesitate to defend myself against criminals, burglars, drug addicts, and other vile sorts of riff raff that are not at all uncommon here. We've got over 2,000,000 inmates in prison now, and could probably put 2,000,000 more in and it still would barely even be noticable. In a nation of 300,000,000 even if 2% of the population are criminal that still adds up to 6,000,000 criminals! And that's still not counting the 535 criminals that we have on Capitol Hill that we should have already gotten rid of a long time ago!

[NeonVomit]

And that's still not counting the 535 criminals that we have on Capitol Hill that we should have already gotten rid of a long time ago!

Plus that other handful in the White House

Many people however claim high crime rates in America are due to a high proportion of guns to population. Well, true or not, people are going to have to defend themselves somehow, it's sort of a chicken-and-egg situation.

[nefertari]

This may be a bit off-topic , but in my mind there is a big dilemma about talking to defend him-/herself or peace with guns.
I just can´t understand that at all...but I am a pacifist .

I don't have anything against people that are pacifists if that is one of their core beliefs and that they simply want to avoid trouble. In fact, I think it makes a lot of sense- if you live in a country such as Finland.

However, America is dramatically different. In Finland, you probably don't have to worry about a crackhead climbing through the window of your house with the intent to rob and/or kill you. Carjackings are probably non-existent in your country also- and trust me, I'm glad that it is that way. I wouldn't wish American's burdens on your country at all. People have even be killed in nice, expensive neighborhoods- by criminals, and right here in my city.

Still, there are too many people causing problems over here in the States, and as I stated previously to Tolkki, I would not hesitate to defend myself against criminals, burglars, drug addicts, and other vile sorts of riff raff that are not at all uncommon here. We've got over 2,000,000 inmates in prison now, and could probably put 2,000,000 more in and it still would barely even be noticable. In a nation of 300,000,000 even if 2% of the population are criminal that still adds up to 6,000,000 criminals! And that's still not counting the 535 criminals that we have on Capitol Hill that we should have already gotten rid of a long time ago!

Finland is not a dream-country , all these things happens here , even in this small town where I live .
We have drug-addicts , criminals , murderers , raipers, carjackings, etc... I think the difference between us and the people in USA are that we dont be so scared about all horrible things could happen to us . Now you may think that we should be prepared and " protect" us by a handgun ,but a gun in the hand of a person who can´t use it is very dangerous . How many peole has lost a member of his/hers family by his /hers own gun ?
I never could carry a gun , in fact I never ever seen a real gun in my life . And yes ...I have been in some very dangerous happenings .

[black death]

However, America is dramatically different. In Finland, you probably don't have to worry about a crackhead climbing through the window of your house with the intent to rob and/or kill you. Carjackings are probably non-existent in your country also- and trust me, I'm glad that it is that way. I wouldn't wish American's burdens on your country at all. People have even be killed in nice, expensive neighborhoods- by criminals, and right here in my city.

Hmm...but if you don't mistake CAUSE and EFFECT. I'd say that many US problems with crimes are the EFFECT of this easy possibility to own a gun, rather than the CAUSE

[Carcass]

This may be a bit off-topic , but in my mind there is a big dilemma about talking to defend him-/herself or peace with guns.
I just can´t understand that at all...but I am a pacifist .

I don't have anything against people that are pacifists if that is one of their core beliefs and that they simply want to avoid trouble. In fact, I think it makes a lot of sense- if you live in a country such as Finland.

However, America is dramatically different. In Finland, you probably don't have to worry about a crackhead climbing through the window of your house with the intent to rob and/or kill you. Carjackings are probably non-existent in your country also- and trust me, I'm glad that it is that way. I wouldn't wish American's burdens on your country at all. People have even be killed in nice, expensive neighborhoods- by criminals, and right here in my city.

Still, there are too many people causing problems over here in the States, and as I stated previously to Tolkki, I would not hesitate to defend myself against criminals, burglars, drug addicts, and other vile sorts of riff raff that are not at all uncommon here. We've got over 2,000,000 inmates in prison now, and could probably put 2,000,000 more in and it still would barely even be noticable. In a nation of 300,000,000 even if 2% of the population are criminal that still adds up to 6,000,000 criminals! And that's still not counting the 535 criminals that we have on Capitol Hill that we should have already gotten rid of a long time ago!

Finland is not a dream-country , all these things happens here , even in this small town where I live .
We have drug-addicts , criminals , murderers , raipers, carjackings, etc... I think the difference between us and the people in USA are that we dont be so scared about all horrible things could happen to us . Now you may think that we should be prepared and " protect" us by a handgun ,but a gun in the hand of a person who can´t use it is very dangerous . How many peole has lost a member of his/hers family by his /hers own gun ?
I never could carry a gun , in fact I never ever seen a real gun in my life . And yes ...I have been in some very dangerous happenings .

I think you are both are right. Finland is without a doubt safer than America.

Now, this is just my impression, but Americans tend to be quite jumpy. Some that I've met here in my town open the door very carefully and slowly and always have a peek, while I slam the door wide open without knowing who's there.

[Shurik]

I don't have anything against people that are pacifists if that is one of their core beliefs and that they simply want to avoid trouble. In fact, I think it makes a lot of sense- if you live in a country such as Finland.

The Dude: And, you know, he's got emotional problems, man.
Walter Sobchak: You mean... beyond pacifism?

[miditek]

I don't have anything against people that are pacifists if that is one of their core beliefs and that they simply want to avoid trouble. In fact, I think it makes a lot of sense- if you live in a country such as Finland.

The Dude: And, you know, he's got emotional problems, man.
Walter Sobchak: You mean... beyond pacifism?

The Great Lebowsky- what a crazy movie! Particularly when Walter got pissed off at the bowling alley!

[Carcass]

It's Big Lebowski, my favourite film.

"Mark it zero!!!"

[NeonVomit]

Nobody fucks with The Jesus.

[miditek]

"barkeep, I'll have another Caucasian please..."

"and while you're at it, send a bottle of 100 proof Absolut over to President Ahmandinejad's table. Yeah, just put it on Walter's tab...."

[NeonVomit]

http://www.archibaldcampbell.com/whydo.html

This has to be a joke.

Please tell me this is a joke.

[NeonVomit]

"and while you're at it, send a bottle of 100 proof Absolut over to President Ahmandinejad's table. Yeah, just put it on Walter's tab...."

Yeah, because he'll definately drink it, considering devout Muslims don't consume alcohol

[black death]

http://www.archibaldcampbell.com/whydo.html

This has to be a joke.

Please tell me this is a joke.

I guess it's some activists' work...a bit radical activists

[miditek]

"and while you're at it, send a bottle of 100 proof Absolut over to President Ahmandinejad's table. Yeah, just put it on Walter's tab...."

Yeah, because he'll definately drink it, considering devout Muslims don't consume alcohol

He'll do as he's told, otherwise, Walter might get pissed off again. And we really don't want that now, do we?

[Shurik]

"and while you're at it, send a bottle of 100 proof Absolut over to President Ahmandinejad's table. Yeah, just put it on Walter's tab...."

Yeah, because he'll definately drink it, considering devout Muslims don't consume alcohol

He'll do as he's told, otherwise, Walter might get pissed off again. And we really don't want that now, do we?

Or he will enter the world of pain!

[Carcass]

I think I read somewhere that Big Lebowski was quite a hit in Israel. Am I right?

[Shurik]

I think I read somewhere that Big Lebowski was quite a hit in Israel. Am I right?

I think so ...

[miditek]

"and while you're at it, send a bottle of 100 proof Absolut over to President Ahmandinejad's table. Yeah, just put it on Walter's tab...."

Yeah, because he'll definately drink it, considering devout Muslims don't consume alcohol

He'll do as he's told, otherwise, Walter might get pissed off again. And we really don't want that now, do we?

Or he will enter the world of pain!

It must have galled the U.S. Secret Service agents that were assigned to protect him in New York. The FBI should have arrested him as a terror financier and supporter the moment he landed at the airport.

While I wasn't very happy (at all) to see him permitted to speak at Columbia University, it was positively delightful to see him get (verbally) bitch slapped after he got there. He needs to get the fuck out of our country, and not come back again.

Wait till he sees the diet that we've designed for him after he (eventually) arrives at Gitmo. He'll get sausage biscuits for breakfast, BLT sandwich for lunch, and pork chops for dinner!

[Carcass]

Promises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCxj9952vTc

Several Jewish and Palestinian children are followed for three years and put in touch with each other, in this alternative look at the Jewish-Palestinian conflict. The three filmmakers followed a group of seven local children between 1995 and 1998. They all have a totally different background. These seven children tell their own story about growing up in Jerusalem. Through this portrait of their generation, we see how deep rooted and almost insoluble the problems of the Middle East have become. When the protagonists speak out in an epilogue a couple of years later, it becomes apparent that all have lost their childlike innocence.

I'm about halfway through it.

EDIT: Just finished it. An unusually well-balanced documentary on a very sensitive subject. Very touching. Highly recommended.

[NeonVomit]

"and while you're at it, send a bottle of 100 proof Absolut over to President Ahmandinejad's table. Yeah, just put it on Walter's tab...."

Yeah, because he'll definately drink it, considering devout Muslims don't consume alcohol

He'll do as he's told, otherwise, Walter might get pissed off again. And we really don't want that now, do we?

Or he will enter the world of pain!

It must have galled the U.S. Secret Service agents that were assigned to protect him in New York. The FBI should have arrested him as a terror financier and supporter the moment he landed at the airport.

While I wasn't very happy (at all) to see him permitted to speak at Columbia University, it was positively delightful to see him get (verbally) bitch slapped after he got there. He needs to get the fuck out of our country, and not come back again.

Wait till he sees the diet that we've designed for him after he (eventually) arrives at Gitmo. He'll get sausage biscuits for breakfast, BLT sandwich for lunch, and pork chops for dinner!

You're as out of touch with reality as he is. Arrested? With what evidence? That sort of thinking is what makes the current administration so unpopular around the world. Never mind that Gitmo is the ultimate monument to its hypocrisy.

Again, for the umpteenth time, he is not in charge of Iran. You constantly refuse to aknowledge this.

And I thought America stands for freedom of speech. It was good for him to get a taste of what it really is like. So I think it was great for him to speak at Columbia University, it just showed the world (again) what a buffoon he is.

[Shurik]

Again, for the umpteenth time, he is not in charge of Iran. You constantly refuse to aknowledge this.

He really isn't. He's just a puppet of the ayatollahs ...

[browneyedgirl]

Even "puppets" can be dangerous if they are manipulated by the wrong people, for the wrong reasons.
And, I'd bet there wee quite a few misguided souls who actually enjoyed his speech. I think I read that 3 times he has been to USA(once a year). So, he should feel at home here, I guess.

I wonder if his speech is on YouTube? And, if he's going to make another 60 Minutes appearance?

@Carcass, I wish I could watch that Vid. It sounds interesting.

[NeonVomit]

Again, for the umpteenth time, he is not in charge of Iran. You constantly refuse to aknowledge this.

He really isn't. He's just a puppet of the ayatollahs ...

Not even a puppet. He's a distraction. His job is to draw attention away from the ayatollahs.

So many people underestimate the political skill of the Council of Experts. Underestimating your enemy is the most dangerous thing of all. Do not think their aims are so simple and plain.

[Carcass]

Regarding the the topic of the thread... who are the leakers? John Bolton is one name I've seen. Makes my bells ring.

I was just re-reading this topic and was a bit confused about my own post.

I of course did not mean that John Bolton is the leaker. I meant that he has a political agenda and these guys are known for lying about things in the past. Well, it doesn't automatically mean that he is wrong...

[Plisken]

How can Islam be a "religion of peace" when the imams brand the Jews as "descendants of pigs and monkeys", deny the Holocaust ever happened, put little plastic toy sucide belts on their kids, and then teach them to threaten to destroy Israel? Do you think that this is normal behavior? Do you see Jewish or Christian parents doing that with their kids?

How many Jews do you even know? If you knew any at all, you would know that a Jewish mother would teach her kids that life, and not death, is what is truly precious.

Also, I've explained many times that I also have a great many Muslim, in addition to Jewish, friends. If I viewed the entire Islamic world as evil, I certainly would not have any Muslims are friends. They are well aware that I'm not only a Christian, but also a Zionist, and those are facts that I never have tried to hide from anyone. What do you think that we sit around and talk about all the time when we are eating lunch?- that's right, God. End Times. Israel. Faith. Family. Constantly.

Wow dude propaganda got you real good.

First please tell me the name of these imams who brand the Jews as "descendants of pigs and monkeys". Muslims HAVE NOTHING against Jews in anyway what so ever, in fact out of all the religions in the world Muslims and Jews have the MOST in common. Now what SOME Muslims have a problem with are Zionist(who happen to be a majority of jews). Why do they have a problem with them? well lets start with a story of my parents. They were small kids back then. My dad lived in Al-Lydd and my mother in Haifa(both now occupied Palestine). Haganah and IZL troops came to Al-Lydd had an airstrike(The first one ever in Palestine) on Al-Lydd and its airport. Soon after the troops came knocking(literally knocked, at least they did something that was nice i guess but it doesn't really matter cuz they asked them to leave there homes, that it was there territory now. Obviously they said no but the troops didn't give them a choice, they forced everyone out of the building and into an empty street.) Same thing basically happened with my mother to. Now my parents and there families got kicked out of there own homeland. Where there fathers lived and there fathers lived and so on. Thats why there is hate towards Zionist you took over peoples homes, destroyed there land and turned them into your own. the LEAST thing Israel could have done was let these people it kicked out come back and give them new homes to live in. But no they said get the fuk out and dont think about coming back. That is why they fight, for the land they once lived in. Your so blind about the other side it seems you dont even know there are Palestinian Christian that live/lived in Palestine. Its a really sad fuking day when People(Zionist mostly) truly and honestly believe that Muslim parents are telling there children to go kill themselves for a cause. No human sends there child to die(and please dont give the usual Zionist racist answer i get that "they are NOT humans, they dont act like it" and just refuse to believe other wise.

Next is Israel's "self defense" holy shit talk about overkill. A rocket gets thrown in to Israel and hits nothing, what does Israel do? invade Lebanon and destroy most of what is in its path. WTF?

Israel has Godly amounts of weapons, tanks, missiles, and of course $2 billion a year from the US(tax payers). Palestine has a few OLD rifles, it seems they got there hands on a few rocket launchers and they have rocks. How on earth does Israel need all that to "defend" it self against a country(whats left of it anyway) that cant even really defend itself let alone fight for its land back.

How? well the fact of the matter is Zionist want Israel is be a Jews only state, so you see for them the pesky, arabs who like to throw rocks at tanks and be sent to there death by there parents are in the way. So Ethic Cleansing went(and still is) under way, Israel IS an apartheid state.

Most Palestine just want to go back to there homes and rebuild there life or whats left of it. But there are also those(hamas >.>) who want all of Palestine back and are making things a bit difficult. But Even if this Hamas problem is solved Israel will NEVER(you know how they say never say never? well im saying NEVER) allow Palestinians to come back to there lands and live in co-existence with Israel. The ONLY thing Israel wants in the end is for it to be a Jewish only stats. and the only thing the Palestinians(most of them dont count hamas)want is to return to there land.


Now miditek you said it yourself! if some crook came into your home you would shoot him! and you agree with this philosophy very much.

Zionist came in to Palestine and stole there land!

According to your philosophy if you were Palestine would Fight back the invader who tried to steal from you very strongly with no hesitations. But alas here you say other wise?

I don't understand why you even have a problem with Palestine fighting back when YOU WOULD DO EXACTLY THE SAME! and you said it your self with the example that if you got robbed. THAT is what propaganda does.
If you say that's not becuase of propaganda then my Zionist friend you are a hypocrite. and don't try and say that they are totally 2 different situations because there are NOT.

Now Im all for a one state solution, I honestly think if we can get past this we can become the best of friends, I really do but both sides have a few things to give it. When they both give it all up in the end they BOTH dont have anything they wanted. No one is treated better or worst then the other.

[naslash]

miditek r u by any chance a redneck?
justify this for me, tell me how is it right that zionists came into palestine, kiked out or killed about 50% of the population, destroyed their homes, destroyed their lives, separated and killed families, killed children infront of their parents, killed parents infront of their children, and till today doing the same thing cuz of their ethnic cleansing, palestinians living behind the wall in poverty, gunshots heard evryday, palestinians afraid to just go out of their homes to get sum food and water, living in refugee camps, while the government is making israelis believe that on the other side of this wall r angry terrorists and the government is protecting israel from them behind this wall, while in reality all there is behind the wall r israelis murdering palestinians, and palestinians living in poverty. i can tell u so much more, but i guess thats enough for now, now justify all that. and another thing, if im not mistaking, u were talking about parents sending their kids as suicide bombers?:S thats bullshit, they dont do that, thats information that has been mixed by the media into that sense, like many other things the biased media mixes up. and wat, its not like u care wat happens to those children anyway, since u support the people that r murdering them.

[browneyedgirl]

^^^^^^^^^Are you 2 sock puppets through playing? If you are just bored take a visit to http://www.dictionary.com and brush up on your spelling--you need it. Or did you 2(?) come here specially just to bash miditek? Sure seems that way. Run along now, kiddies&play nice.

Btw, don't be suprised if your 2 hateful bullshit posts were forwarded to the Dept. of Homeland Security, or just maybe they saw them in person. And, 100Cute.com/phproxy won't help you out, either.
Go watch Planet of the Arabs or something. Or post on the Above Top Secret Forum, Pilsken, they'd probably like it. Birds of a feather.........

Btw, when the Dems take over the White House, they will give Palestine the West Bank, East Bank&the North Bank. Hell, they will give Palestine the whole damn area. Satisfied? Will they STFU&stop bombing Israel then? Or will the Palestinians&their asslickers find something else to bitch&whine about as usual?

[NeonVomit]

Btw, don't be suprised if your 2 hateful bullshit posts were forwarded to the Dept. of Homeland Security, or just maybe they saw them in person. And, 100Cute.com/phproxy won't help you out, either.

If they're not in the United States, then there's nothing that the Dep of Homeland Security can do. And even if they were, I don't see any threats of violence in there. 'I'm going to bomb you, people should bomb you' or anything like that. The right to say stuff like what was said in those posts (again, assuming they are within US territory) is protected by the First Amendment, is it? The one about freedom of expression, etc.

They're discussing their opinions, if you don't agree with it (I disagree with much of what was written) then well what can we do...