Does Helloween have the worst fanbase, ever?

[Babylon]

He should sing Windmill. The song would fit him. It is sad that they never recorded the new version in 2002.

Yeaa that would have been awesome.

And Andi will probably never sing Kai's songs, but Kiske couldn't either. It's too high for Deris and Kiske's voice doesn't fit.

I like how Andi did Starlight, Murderer and How Many Tears. Ride The Sky prolly didn't fit him too well, but the other 3, absolutely.

[Intiaani]

No, Kiske is properly rated. He's the best / one of the very best in melodic metal.

My opinion. Luckily many else agree.

[Ragehead91]

Not my opinion. He is good. But he isn't the best singer EVAR.

[Florian]

The Kiske Versions of Victem of Fate ans Starlight were better than the original.

I like these versions, but I prefer the original ones. I adore Starlight and Victim Of Fate is one of my favorite songs, but to me, Kai's voice fits better.

[Ragehead91]

Well, You all know how I feel bout Kai's voice

[Rebel]

Well, You all know how I feel bout Kai's voice

We do?

[Ragehead91]

Well, You all know how I feel bout Kai's voice

We do?

Yes, you should!

[Rebel]

Well, You all know how I feel bout Kai's voice

We do?

Yes, you should!

Well I don't. Tell me oh wise master.

[Ragehead91]

Well, You all know how I feel bout Kai's voice

We do?

Yes, you should!

Well I don't. Tell me oh wise master.

You haven't read the post where I basicly snapped when Kai was mentioned? I hate his fucking voice. For me he is the worst Heavy Metal singer! He makes the Pre-Kiske Helloween stuff and the post-Scheepers Gamma Ray albums unlistenable for me because his voice is fucking horrible! I'd sacrifice my pet-cet just to make Gamma Ray find another singer. Because the music is actually really good. But Kai's voice just sucks so hard that it is extremly hard for my to enjoy it. He is a great composer and guitar player but a god-awful singer. Period.

[Rebel]

Well, You all know how I feel bout Kai's voice

We do?

Yes, you should!

Well I don't. Tell me oh wise master.

You haven't read the post where I basicly snapped when Kai was mentioned? I hate his fucking voice. For me he is the worst Heavy Metal singer! He makes the Pre-Kiske Helloween stuff and the post-Scheepers Gamma Ray albums unlistenable for me because his voice is fucking horrible! I'd sacrifice my pet-cet just to make Gamma Ray find another singer. Because the music is actually really good. But Kai's voice just sucks so hard that it is extremly hard for my to enjoy it. He is a great composer and guitar player but a god-awful singer. Period.

Got it, I happen to enjoy his voice a lot, especially on "Valhalla" (Blind Guardian) It's unique, and he's good at it.
Gamma Ray is pretty good too, his voice doesn't blow me away or anything, but it fits the style I think

[Ragehead91]

Well, You all know how I feel bout Kai's voice

We do?

Yes, you should!

Well I don't. Tell me oh wise master.

You haven't read the post where I basicly snapped when Kai was mentioned? I hate his fucking voice. For me he is the worst Heavy Metal singer! He makes the Pre-Kiske Helloween stuff and the post-Scheepers Gamma Ray albums unlistenable for me because his voice is fucking horrible! I'd sacrifice my pet-cet just to make Gamma Ray find another singer. Because the music is actually really good. But Kai's voice just sucks so hard that it is extremly hard for my to enjoy it. He is a great composer and guitar player but a god-awful singer. Period.

Got it, I happen to enjoy his voice a lot, especially on "Valhalla" (Blind Guardian) It's unique, and he's good at it.
Gamma Ray is pretty good too, his voice doesn't blow me away or anything, but it fits the style I think

Gamma Ray should get Hennig Basse from Metalium.

[Intiaani]

Kai was godawful back in the 80 - early 90s, yes, but somewhere around Land of the Free, he actually learnt to sing. His uncontrollable voice and falset stuff was at worst unforgivable. That's, in Helloween EP and in Valhalla. WoJ somehow was pretty good, must be because of the mix and/or the editation - there's that huge delay present on the whole album, and I think it hides Kai's major flaws. That ridiculous falset stuff, though, is annoying. I think Kiske falsets too but he's the master in it.

But Kai began using his strenghts - bogeyness and death metalish schrieks and stuff - when he took the main vocalist place in Gamma Ray. He also made his voice more controlled and he could actually interpret cleanly even. He's so different from others and - though honestly yes a pretty bad singer still - he does have his moments, and that unique style and color of his voice makes him one of the - if not best - most fitting vocalists in any music. His voice fits Gamma Ray's music like no other voice no other band's music dammit!

By the way, ever since I read and heard him singing Regrin the Dwarf in Avantasia, I haven't gotten the image of his voice being a dwarf's voice out of my head. He really sounds like an old, small man.

Despite all this, he surely can interpret. The compilation Blast from the Past must show his multi-diversity in the best form. That album alone kinda proves it to me that he is one of the best in business. Or the most fitting, anyway.

[Ragehead91]

No. On the Tribute to the Past he basicly RAPES the old songs in my opinion. The instrumentals are a bit better than the originals but Kai's voice...bah...I just can't stand it. And in my opinion it doesn't fit the Gamma Ray music either. Again, they should get Hennig Basse. That would be a perfect match.

Yes, he sounds better than he did in the 80s. But that doesn't say much. His voice is still medicore at best and he shouldn't sing anymore. Espeially live. I bought the DVD which they released in 2008 and it was horrible. Especially I Want Out. When will this guy realise that even Andi Deris does the song better than he does?

[Rebel]

No. On the Tribute to the Past he basicly RAPES the old songs in my opinion. The instrumentals are a bit better than the originals but Kai's voice...bah...I just can't stand it. And in my opinion it doesn't fit the Gamma Ray music either. Again, they should get Hennig Basse. That would be a perfect match.

Yes, he sounds better than he did in the 80s. But that doesn't say much. His voice is still medicore at best and he shouldn't sing anymore. Espeially live. I bought the DVD which they released in 2008 and it was horrible. Especially I Want Out. When will this guy realise that even Andi Deris does the song better than he does?

haha, I actually really enjoyed Kai Hansen's vocals on Valhalla and early Helloween, very... unique.

[Ragehead91]

Unique: I guess you can say so.
Good: No way. You can argue with me about the recent stuff. But there is nothing to argue about the old Helloween stuff. Kai's vocals just plain sucked back then.

[hiro23]

This is a good discussion, let's further the story

Kiske in an attempt to gain some of his popularity back decides to appease his fanbase.

Kiske:"I don't hate metal anymore I was just bitter at my old band mates, now give me money please" Chaching

Meanwhile back in Helloween town having sacked Kiske, Weikath contemplates the bands new direction.

Weikath:alright I've bled the cancer out of this band how do we gain our credibility back?

Grosskopf:hey wasn't there that guy from pink cream 69 you'd asked a few years ago?, what's his name?

Deris enters in

Andi:it's Deris, Andi Deris

Andi enters into the band followed closely by Uli Kusch the band enjoys a hugely successful run of albums and arguably never goes back to the experimentation of Chameleon.

Embittered that their savior has been replaced Kiske fanboys continue to take pot shots at Deris for years in the hopes that the band will die, but to no avail.

[Ragehead91]

Yes. I wonder how Helloween would look like nowadays if Weiki really would've sacked Kiske back in 1989 and replacet him with Deris.

[Intiaani]

Yes. I wonder how Helloween would look like nowadays if Weiki really would've sacked Kiske back in 1989 and replacet him with Deris.

I try not to. We wouldn't have Bubbles or Chameleon! I like both of those albums, even though I think Chameleon is in their top three worst anyway. We would also have more soaring young Andi vocals though.

I'm glad that Kai formed Gamma Ray. Thus, we have two fabulous bands instead of "just" one. Would we have a Helloween with more credibility? Quite possibly, but less ultra-happiness. That's why Helloween are so good - their music is very good but there's more than that, they don't take their heavy metal identity too seriously. Pink Bubbles was a very important album in this. I'm glad Kiske got replaced not until 1993. Luckily the whole shit didn't fall apart in that year.

[Ragehead91]

Yes. I wonder how Helloween would look like nowadays if Weiki really would've sacked Kiske back in 1989 and replacet him with Deris.

I try not to. We wouldn't have Bubbles or Chameleon! I like both of those albums, even though I think Chameleon is in their top three worst anyway. We would also have more soaring young Andi vocals though.

I'm glad that Kai formed Gamma Ray. Thus, we have two fabulous bands instead of "just" one. Would we have a Helloween with more credibility? Quite possibly, but less ultra-happiness. That's why Helloween are so good - their music is very good but there's more than that, they don't take their heavy metal identity too seriously. Pink Bubbles was a very important album in this. I'm glad Kiske got replaced not until 1993. Luckily the whole shit didn't fall apart in that year.

I'd be happy if we didn't have PBGA oder Chameleon. PBGA was actually decent but I wouldn't be sad if we wouldn't have it. And Chameleon has a few interesting ideas but sucks.

[Babylon]

I'm glad Kiske got replaced not until 1993.

Yea, me too, but simply because otherwise we would have missed a couple of great PC69 albums.

[Ragehead91]

I'm glad Kiske got replaced not until 1993.

Yea, me too, but simply because otherwise we would have missed a couple of great PC69 albums.

Actually you have a good point here. PC69 was and still is a great band.

[hiro23]

Everything happened at the right time, Kai formed Gamma ray at the right time, Andi Deris came into Helloween at the right time and I personally think that if Helloween hadn't had that dry patch of creativity in the early 90's that the first few albums with Deris wouldn't have been quite as good.

I believe a band needs a few albums that are not the best so that when they do get their creative muse back that they come back strong.

[Ragehead91]

Everything happened at the right time, Kai formed Gamma ray at the right time, Andi Deris came into Helloween at the right time and I personally think that if Helloween hadn't had that dry patch of creativity in the early 90's that the first few albums with Deris wouldn't have been quite as good.

And maybe they never would've recorded my favourite Deris-Era Album: The Dark Ride!

[hiro23]

Exactly, if things had turned out different maybe Helloween wouldn't even be around these days.

[Babylon]

Actually you have a good point here. PC69 was and still is a great band.

Yea I really wanna see the live DVD. Will probably have the hardest time finding it here, but I'm definitely buying this.

I believe a band needs a few albums that are not the best so that when they do get their creative muse back that they come back strong.

You are absolutetly right. Helloween is a good example of this. I personally think that right now they have a very solid line up, the last album was amazing and I cannot wait for the new one.

[HinatAArcticA]

Oh no no, worse fans are Iron Maidtards and Metallitards.
Those who can't say anything else in their lifes that is no different than Iron Madien an Metallica.

[icecab21]

all this is rather petty compared to fans of some ideology bands such as nazi bands or ganster rap

[hiro23]

LOL guess I'm an Iron maidentard then, I love that band

[Ragehead91]

That bit about Iron Maiden reminds me about a funny thing that happened with a Iron Maiden fan on the Helloween Forum XD

[icecab21]

That bit about Iron Maiden reminds me about a funny thing that happened with a Iron Maiden fan on the Helloween Forum XD

care to explain?