Immigration in europe and scandinavia

[Babylonian]

Nowadays neo nazis aren't same as 1940 nazis was. Nowaday's nazi parties message is hate towards Muslims and Africans, there's lot of examples in Europe. Like I said before, why we have to hate people because different religion?

Of course there are differences- in 1940 Nazism was a state-sponsored ideology that had already crushed six countries (not counting Germany itself), while modern neo nazis today are little more than rabble rousing idiots that are in not even in the same league as the state-sponsored terror that is coming out of places like Tehran- one who's stated goal is to finish the job that Hitler started. And they will make every attempt to do it with nuclear weapons- if the west allows them to. If you can't or won't accept that, then it's really not my problem.

You can cry about racism all you want, but it will not change the goals of Islam- not radical Islam, but Islam itself. This is a conflict that will help to precipitate the very end of the world.

Islam itself isn't a a bad or violent religion - Koran denies killing, but radical Islam is dangerous ideology just like nazism and stalinism. Of course there's always conflicts between different people, but it's totally crazy to allege, that all Muslims are violent and dangerous. Do you really think, that extreme right wing parties, which message is hate towards Muslims and Africans are better than radical Islam? Hate is never answer to anywhere.

Let's see a bunch of Finns try and go to Saudi Arabia or Iran to try and set up a Lutheran church and tell them that they need more "diversity" in their country. I'd be willing to bet that the authorities in either of those countries will be perfectly willing to show them the finer points of Sharia law.

Someone will adapt, someone will not. We should never generalize the whole people's group.

[miditek]

Fanatical Ein Volk, ein Reich -ideology is what strikes me very dangerous.

I don't agree with that sort of thing, but I do find making "concessions" for immigrants that refuse to assimilate in -any- country positively infuriating. We don't see hordes of Vietnamese (for example) and Korean immigrants making all kinds of trouble here. They are hard working, their kids score very high on their exams, and don't -expect- hand outs and special favors like a lot of the other groups do.

For instance, all of the fucking Muzz that chant "death to the USA" and "death to Israel" on the campus at UC Berkeley should be, as far as I'm concerned, immediately deported back to the shithole from whence they came! If they want to ruin their own country, then that's fine with me, but the U.S. should in no way attempt to win the enemy's hearts and minds.

Islam itself isn't a a bad or violent religion - Koran denies killing, but radical Islam is dangerous ideology just like nazism and stalinism. Of course there's always conflicts between different people, but it's totally crazy to allege, that all Muslims are violent and dangerous. Do you really think, that extreme right wing parties, which message is hate towards Muslims and Africans are better than radical Islam? Hate is never answer to anywhere.

I don't think that it's a bad religion, I think that it's a fucking cult.

And what you call "right-wing hate groups" many people in America consider to be patriots and are tired of seeing Anglo-Saxon grandmas and little kids harrassed at the airport while the real terrorists are waved on through when their visas should never have been approved to begin with.

That's the thing when you're at war- the objective is not to avoid offending an implacable enemy, but to destroy as many of him as quickly and as violently as possible. War is a horrible thing, but so is the concept of mushroom clouds over the nation's capital, or New York, or LA, or other major metro areas.

The U.S. has made (and maintained) friendships with former enemies for centuries now- including the Germans, Japanese, Vietnamese (as modern examples) and have been very loyal friends to the people (the Brits) that we fought a series of bloody campaigns for independence to begin with.

[Mormegil]

Islam itself isn't a a bad or violent religion - Koran denies killing.

Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Qur'an (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah."

Qur'an (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."

Qur'an (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Qur'an (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Qur'an (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"

Do you really think, that extreme right wing parties, which message is hate towards Muslims and Africans are better than radical Islam?

You can't just go around calling right-wingers racists without anything to support your claim, because that's kinda *gasp* racist.
I suppose being a Finn you are mostly referring to Perussuomalaiset (True Finns) -party, but I have yet to see them as a collective outright promoting hatred towards Muslims and Africans. They do campaign for more strict immigration policy yes, but wanting the immigrants to respect the laws and culture of their new home is hardly an extermist stance. Personally I don't support them because of their hardcore opposition towards EU, but that's a whole different subject.
It's the fact that their opponents and media have to try and manipulate people to believe that immigration causes no problems at all, what I find so much more dangerous than a healhty doze of nationalism, which in this case seems to be only a basic human self-preservation instinct.

[mayhem-for-all]

Islam itself isn't a a bad or violent religion - Koran denies killing.

Christianity also denies killing but then again how about the Crusades?
Or the fact that bible also asks you to kill people who don't obey some of it's laws.

[miditek]

Islam itself isn't a a bad or violent religion - Koran denies killing.

Christianity also denies killing but then again how about the Crusades?
Or the fact that bible also asks you to kill people who don't obey some of it's laws.

al-Qaeda cell commanders indoctrinate their recruits with similar sounding blame-shifting; the Crusades (a European venture, I might add) happened centuries ago, and no one alive today took part in them.

The stakes are much higher today than they were back then. And there are no commands in the Bible for Christians to kill- you may have seen some Old Testament commands from Deuteronomy where God commanded that certain people be killed for certain crimes- but that applied to specific people and at that specific point in history- not modern Christians (or Jews or Muslims, for that matter).

[Carcass]

Fanatical Ein Volk, ein Reich -ideology is what strikes me very dangerous.

For instance, all of the fucking Muzz that chant "death to the USA" and "death to Israel" on the campus at UC Berkeley should be, as far as I'm concerned, immediately deported back to the shithole from whence they came! If they want to ruin their own country, then that's fine with me, but the U.S. should in no way attempt to win the enemy's hearts and minds.

I understand the impulse to chuck people like that out, but as far as I know The First Amendment applies on citizens and non-citizens alike; I guess there are both among that lot. And needless to say that the U.S. has an image to keep.

Same old freedom vs. security -dilemma, I guess.


And btw:

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable; they must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads (Leviticus 20:13).

Yet we see very few Christians killing them homos. People can quote scriptures as much as they want, but the reality is that people pick and choose parts that they follow. Religions are not unchanging monoliths, they are constantly being reinterpreted.