miditek wrote:Rebel wrote:freedom of religion bro
Freedom of religion is indeed guaranteed by the Consitution, but that does not include setting up a front for a command and control center for terror groups to operate (from behind the veil of religion) in New York with impunity.
Evidence?
Nor does freedom of religion allow these imams to set up a madrassa in their mosque to indoctrinate their children in Jihad 101 courses, and to create the next generation of suicide bombers.
Agreed. I somehow don't think that's going to be happening in this mosque however. Not with the amount of scrutiny it would be under from now on.
They'll probably content themselves with telling five year old kids that they'll go to hell for not believing in Mohammed. Or that having sex before marriage will send you to hell. Or that Mohammed came up with the Koran after a chat with the archangel Gabriel, but conveniently forget to mention that he didn't actually write any of it down, ever.
With freedom of religion also comes responsibility- the imams will incite riots worldwide over Mohammed cartoons, but are perfectly content to incite riots (and worse) with their fanatical determination to build the mosque in a location that has the majority of the country (and not only the people of New York) now at the boiling point. Let's see a mega Orthodox synagogue be constructed adjacent to the palaces of the royal family in Saudi Arabia and see how far that goes.
Poor analogy.
What you're describing is apples and oranges - Saudi Arabia is a theocratic absolute monarchy which is, culturally and socially, still in the middle ages where women get stoned for being victims of rape and publicly executes innocent people after little more than a mock trial on a fairly regular basis.
The US on the other hand is a modern, enlightened (for the most part) democratic society where freedom for all is (usually) protected by law. More often than not, people get fair trials and have their rights protected. Sure, it doesn't always happen, but by god do you hear about it and do people get angry when things mess up.
Besides, them getting worked up enough over stupid cartoons is them getting angry at the very laws and rights afforded to them which allows them to practice their religion in the first place. With freedom comes responsibility - true, but with freedom also comes mass stupidity and there are, as of yet, no laws against stupidity that I am aware of.
A child could see their hypocrisy, but hey, that's religion for you.
Nothing good is going to come from building the mosque there- and it is only going to lead to more tension, more trouble, and all in the name of political correctness under a freedom of religion facade.
See, I agree with you on this.
I think it's a pretty ridiculous thing to do, and just another example of religion being used as a political tool. Since I trust Islam about as much as I trust any other religion (i.e. hardly at all) I wouldn't be too surprised if this was some sort of calculated publicity stunt intended to rile up passions. I personally hate it when people use religion to justify a retarded sense of entitlement.
BUT... having said that, it is privately owned land, and the building and administration of the mosque is in line with all local laws and ordinances. It's not actually, well,
illegal or unlawful in any way. Therefore the only reason this is being made an issue, and the only reason it would possibly be blocked, is on the grounds of it being a Muslim building in Lower Manhattan.
And that is religious discrimination, which is unlawful.
If it was a church, synagogue, Bhuddist, Sikh or Hindu temple we wouldn't even be hearing about it. But like it or not, freedom of religion is protected in America, and fortunately or unfortunately, that's part of living in an open society. While I agree with Obama on his reasoning behind his opinion, I still think he should have just kept quiet about it and left it as a local issue. Brave of him to do and very idealistic, but not politically wise.
I don't think it's about political correctness however (which pisses me off no end). Despite me being about as atheist as they come, I do believe freedom of religion is a fundamental human right, and as outlined above, there's just no
legal reason for this mosque not to be built.
This entire thing is being planned to provoke the people nationwide, and could serve as a "Reichstag Fire" type of pretext for Obungler's Sturmabteilung to launch a crackdown on us. That's the game in a nutshell.
The first bit of this sentence is true and I agree fully with it, the second part shows you have no idea about or understanding of Nazi Germany and how it has no conceivable resemblance with the current (or, might I add, previous) US administration.
Look, Obama is either a Communist, or a Nazi, make up your mind. If you're going to be wilfully ignorant about the different meanings of political affiliations at least be consistent with it.
