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Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:24 am
by DaronchoFromHell
Hi everybody:
Sorry if this is a repeated subject, I looked it up with the search tool, and the closest thing I got was this:
http://forum.stratovarius.com/viewtopic ... sc&start=0
Great thread, but it's not about "guitarists" exactly.
I would like to hear your opinions! No matter the genre: power, heavy, thrash, progressive, death, funk, jazz, classical, cuarteto cordobés, etc.
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:25 am
by icecab21
Who is doing the rating?
I think a lot of known guitarists are underrated by some and overrated by others and not rated at all by even more people. I definitely see comments all the time of extremes either way where people get fanatic either way. There are also plenty of guitarists that can play what rated guys play but are unknowns or session musicians and music teachers that have not done the band thing. Everyone has strengths and weakness to their playing and there are so many different areas of guitar playing. It’s not like we have scientific tests or competitions for guitar player, or that everyone would even participate if there were.
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:44 pm
by browneyedgirl
Andrew Bordoni
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:55 pm
by Rebel
icecab21 wrote:Who is doing the rating?
I think a lot of known guitarists are underrated by some and overrated by others and not rated at all by even more people. I definitely see comments all the time of extremes either way where people get fanatic either way. There are also plenty of guitarists that can play what rated guys play but are unknowns or session musicians and music teachers that have not done the band thing. Everyone has strengths and weakness to their playing and there are so many different areas of guitar playing. It’s not like we have scientific tests or competitions for guitar player, or that everyone would even participate if there were.
Can you enjoy ANYTHING?
However. I think most people don't consider Buckethead the greatest electric guitar player to ever live, and that means he's underrated...
Steven Wilson, although I like him more for his lyrics and vocals, is a very capable guitar player, he has some great stuff on the Coma Divine live album that you don't really hear in the studio, and Normal is one hell of a performance, Ritchie is more underappreciated than underrated, because anyone who knows his work knows what a God he is (he practically invented shredding), I see him snubbed on so many toplists though. Josh Homme is an excellent riff writer, maybe second only to Iommi himself, I'm sure I'm missing some
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:44 pm
by AGAG
Guthrie Govan, Joe Pass, Shawn Lane
I everything fails.. Tolkki
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:49 pm
by Carcass
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Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:27 pm
by browneyedgirl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVyNM5mknnc
Tom Morello of The Nightwatchman
Folk Metal
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:56 pm
by Balu
Rebel wrote:
However. I think most people don't consider Buckethead the greatest electric guitar player to ever live, and that means he's underrated...
Buckedhead simply sucks. He is overrated and has boring songs. (My opinion of course)
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:57 pm
by Rebel
Balu wrote:Rebel wrote:
However. I think most people don't consider Buckethead the greatest electric guitar player to ever live, and that means he's underrated...
Buckedhead simply sucks. He is overrated and has boring songs. (My opinion of course)
Your opinion is of course, wrong, but I'm willing to accept that some people just don't know what they're talking about.
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Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:01 am
by icecab21
Can you enjoy ANYTHING?
i spend my time enjoying music rather than rating it, how on earth would you gather that i was not enjoying anything?
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:19 am
by adrian9
I dont think Shawn Lane is underrated, he is a master!!!
I have to say Tony Macalpine, that guys is amazing, his first album Edge Of Insanity is a Shred Must. the thing is that he makes his living in the shadows of Steve Vai.
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:09 am
by Kecos
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Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:27 am
by Rebel
Kecos wrote:I don't think there is one "Greatest guitarist in the world". There are many different styles of guitar, none of which is necessarily better than any other. Sure, Buckethead can shred like crazy, but being incredibly awesome at one thing doesn't make you the greatest in the world.
Andi Kravljaca, who actually sings instead of playing guitar for some reason in Silent Call, is an incredible guitarist.
Piet Sielck and Joachim Kustner in Iron Savior are pretty good guitarists, but I'd say IS is more underrated as a band rather than those two as individual guitarists.
Other than that, I don't think I've listened to a whole lot of bands yet that I think are underrated (other than Silent Call and Iron Savior).
Shredding is by no means his first means of playing, did you watch ANY of those vids?
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:38 am
by Kosmo
I always thought that ambience was the thing Buckethead was going for. Though i haven't listened to him all that much.
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:00 am
by Rebel
Kosmo wrote:I always thought that ambience was the thing Buckethead was going for. Though i haven't listened to him all that much.
Buckethead is the most versatile player I've ever heard, Metal, Shred, Funk, Country, Jazz, Progressive, Ambiance, Avant-Garde pure emotional soloing, Rock, you name it.
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:55 am
by Intiaani
icecab21. Try to cut the semantics one time and focus on the writer's message behind the determined meanings of the words. Or at least think what the writer would have possibly meant. In addition to avoiding stupid little scism, this also makes staying in topic possible, pretty much.
About some guitarists... Yeah, Buckethead. Frank Zappa, talking about versatile playing. I don't know if he was underrated though.
I like Chris Impellitteri myself. He even has/had a sense of style apart from quickness.
I've heard some guitar players praise the Brazilian power metal band Burning in Hell guys. A couple of songs I like very much from them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qIj_A0ZYfA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0GvGefbKWY
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:01 pm
by Balu
He is a mediocre player, you just think he is God because he plays in many styles. I'd rather listen to many players who are only awesome in one genre, than one player who is mediocre in many.
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:36 pm
by Rebel
Balu wrote:
He is a mediocre player, you just think he is God because he plays in many styles. I'd rather listen to many players who are only awesome in one genre, than one player who is mediocre in many.
Mediocre in many? He can play any of those styles with the same precision and feel as the masters of that specific genre. He is the master of anything he tries to do.
He is as fast a shredder as anyone alive, and can play extended solos with the same heart wrenching emotion as Eddie Hazel's Maggot Brain, his progressive/jazz fusion work in thanatopsis could impress even the best of the, genre (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhxlUKbOBAI) even his acoustic work is on par with the best. I used to think it was impossible to determine the "Best" of any instrument, Buckethead changed that perception, it's like he has literally, limitless ability, and he's always getting better, even when you think it's impossible.
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:19 pm
by Balu
Rebel wrote:Balu wrote:
He is a mediocre player, you just think he is God because he plays in many styles. I'd rather listen to many players who are only awesome in one genre, than one player who is mediocre in many.
Mediocre in many? He can play any of those styles with the same precision and feel as the masters of that specific genre. He is the master of anything he tries to do.
He is as fast a shredder as anyone alive, and can play extended solos with the same heart wrenching emotion as Eddie Hazel's Maggot Brain, his progressive/jazz fusion work in thanatopsis could impress even the best of the, genre (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhxlUKbOBAI) even his acoustic work is on par with the best. I used to think it was impossible to determine the "Best" of any instrument, Buckethead changed that perception, it's like he has literally, limitless ability, and he's always getting better, even when you think it's impossible.
Then tell me, why do I think 'OH MY GOD! This is crap' every time I listen to one of his songs?
Why can't you just accept, that I think he is a crappy guitarist. It's an opinion.
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:33 pm
by Kosmo
Well it also seems that you can't accept that Rebel thinks that Buckethead is great.
Anyways i would say Mikko Salovaara, he is by no means amongst the best players in the world but still i think that he and Kiuas as a whole needs more respect.
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:00 pm
by Balu
Kosmo wrote:Well it also seems that you can't accept that Rebel thinks that Buckethead is great.
Anyways i would say Mikko Salovaara, he is by no means amongst the best players in the world but still i think that he and Kiuas as a whole needs more respect.
I do accept it. What I can't accept is him forcing his opinion on me.
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:55 pm
by PRIAPUS
Balu, Rebel- You must calm yourselves and make peace at once.
And if a woman disagrees with me, or a man, or a boy, let the first give me her cunt, the second his head, the third his buttocks.
-P :viking:
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:16 pm
by adrian9
I gonna have to agree with Rebel buckethead is an AWESOME guitar player the licks of that guy are beyond crazy, also he is very versatile as he pointed out before.
saying that buckethead is mediocre is saying that you could do better.....and there are only a handful of guitar players that could actually make KFChead look bad.
but if you dont like its ok.
FRANK ZAPPA!! I think he is by all means one of a kind guitar player, for me is hard to enjoy and I dont think you listen to him once and get hooked up, It takes several listenings, is that uniqueness what makes him a kind of underground guitar hero.
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:09 am
by AGAG
adrian9 wrote:saying that buckethead is mediocre is saying that you could do better.....
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:18 am
by Rebel
Balu wrote:Rebel wrote:Balu wrote:
He is a mediocre player, you just think he is God because he plays in many styles. I'd rather listen to many players who are only awesome in one genre, than one player who is mediocre in many.
Mediocre in many? He can play any of those styles with the same precision and feel as the masters of that specific genre. He is the master of anything he tries to do.
He is as fast a shredder as anyone alive, and can play extended solos with the same heart wrenching emotion as Eddie Hazel's Maggot Brain, his progressive/jazz fusion work in thanatopsis could impress even the best of the, genre (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhxlUKbOBAI) even his acoustic work is on par with the best. I used to think it was impossible to determine the "Best" of any instrument, Buckethead changed that perception, it's like he has literally, limitless ability, and he's always getting better, even when you think it's impossible.
Then tell me, why do I think 'OH MY GOD! This is crap' every time I listen to one of his songs?
Why can't you just accept, that I think h
because... you're a moron
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:27 am
by Balu
The quoting got out of control, so new post. Whs can't you simply accept my opinion?[/list]
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:35 am
by NeonVomit
I like how people here cannot grasp the concept of subjectivism in art.
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:37 pm
by Rebel
NeonVomit wrote:I like how people here cannot grasp the concept of subjectivism in art.
Not necessarily art, talent.
I do think Buckethead is an incredibly artistic guitarist, but that's subjective, what I'm arguing is that he is the most TALENTED guitarist to ever walk the face of the earth.
Also, what's subjectivity if you can't argue it?
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:52 pm
by Balu
Rebel wrote:NeonVomit wrote:I like how people here cannot grasp the concept of subjectivism in art.
Not necessarily art, talent.
I do think Buckethead is an incredibly artistic guitarist, but that's subjective, what I'm arguing is that he is the most TALENTED guitarist to ever walk the face of the earth.
Also, what's subjectivity if you can't argue it?
If you want to continue...
He might be a great guitarist, but he does too many albums, and more albums means lower quality albums, so his talent can't shine.
Although I still think he sucks.
Re: Underrated guitar players?
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:48 pm
by Rebel
Balu wrote:Rebel wrote:NeonVomit wrote:I like how people here cannot grasp the concept of subjectivism in art.
Not necessarily art, talent.
I do think Buckethead is an incredibly artistic guitarist, but that's subjective, what I'm arguing is that he is the most TALENTED guitarist to ever walk the face of the earth.
Also, what's subjectivity if you can't argue it?
If you want to continue...
He might be a great guitarist, but he does too many albums, and more albums means lower quality albums, so his talent can't shine.
Although I still think he sucks.
So John Zorn and Frank Zappa suck too? Artists should do albums as often as they can create enough quality material for an album. Buckethead's versatility means that he can release 4-5 albums a year without touching on even slightly similar concepts, and then maybe the next year, revisit some ideas while exploring new areas. Part of what makes him so incredible is his limitless creativity, he can improvise an entire album's worth of material, and it will sound incredible because he's just that good.