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Hello, anonymous moderator here. i´ve split the flaming posts to a separate thread. The original thread is still there for those of you who wish to welcome sonata´s wish to the forum. The discussion below is over. I´m leaving the discussion so your not tempted to start it again.
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Hello fellow strato fans! I've been watching this forum for a while and thought it was time to join. I'm a black chick who absolutely loves metal and only metal and because of this I'm not accepted much. Other blacks don't like me because they think I'm weird and I don't often go to metal concerts because I'm scared I might get my ass kicked(it almost happened when I went to see shadows fall). But I think I would be accepted here because you guys seem cool.

It is obvious that the racist here is you. The first description you gave of yourself is the color of your skin. And I don't believe or accept your also racist theory that "other blacks don't like you" because of the music you like. I think you're hanging around with the wrong crowd, its not that they're black.

though i guess i've gotten my fair share of harassment (most of you people know what i'm talking about!)...

One thing you should know about "iron thunder' is that she is a lesbian. I would recommend staying away from her, or she will attempt to have sex with you.

Good day!

though i guess i've gotten my fair share of harassment (most of you people know what i'm talking about!)...

One thing you should know about "iron thunder' is that she is a lesbian. I would recommend staying away from her, or she will attempt to have sex with you.

Good day![/quote]
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Of all the hateful, malicious things you have posted on this forum--I believe THIS tops it all! :pissed:
iron_thunder's sexual orientation is nobody's business&if she wants anyone to know, SHE should be the one to talk about it. NOT YOU!
Of course given your political leanings, I'm not surprised at your barbs....Am I right?

fifthtea_sausage wrote:One thing you should know about "iron thunder' is that she is a lesbian. I would recommend staying away from her, or she will attempt to have sex with you.

You really are mean and intolerant person.

That's not very nice tut-tut Pikkusielu

htcdude wrote:That's not very nice tut-tut Pikkusielu

I could call him something really bad, but it wouldn't be appropriate.

sonata's wish wrote:Hello fellow strato fans! I've been watching this forum for a while and thought it was time to join. I'm a black chick who absolutely loves metal and only metal and because of this I'm not accepted much. Other blacks don't like me because they think I'm weird and I don't often go to metal concerts because I'm scared I might get my ass kicked(it almost happened when I went to see shadows fall). But I think I would be accepted here because you guys seem cool.

Welcome here fellow strato fan!

fifthtea_sausage wrote: It is obvious that the racist here is you.

You however, should go fuck yourself, you FUCKING ASSHOLE. Just do us all a favor and get cancer and die already.

Welcome!

Kids, please don't fight in welcoming topic ...

Yeah only the adults can do that...

Pikkusielu wrote:

htcdude wrote:That's not very nice tut-tut Pikkusielu

I could call him something really bad, but it wouldn't be appropriate.

Yes, something like this...

JenniBunni wrote:You however, should go fuck yourself, you FUCKING ASSHOLE. Just do us all a favor and get cancer and die already.

Haha i like the way she looks calm and innocent in her avatar, and then....MONSTER JenniBunni!

htcdude wrote:Yeah only the adults can do that...

If only we can find one.

htcdude wrote:Haha i like the way she looks calm and innocent in her avatar, and then....MONSTER JenniBunni!

FifthTea inspires that outrage in most of us, I think.

browneyedgirl wrote:FifthTea inspires that outrage in most of us, I think.

And by that meets the requirements of Troll.

Hmm, what outrage? I don't see any outrageous... Wait a minute... Yep, definitely... Outrageous,annoying and, hmm my english is a bit rusty when I'm in the mushroom mood...

Pikkusielu wrote:

browneyedgirl wrote:FifthTea inspires that outrage in most of us, I think.

And by that meets the requirements of Troll.

Finntroll!!!!!!! \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/

JenniBunni wrote:

fifthtea_sausage wrote: It is obvious that the racist here is you.

You however, should go fuck yourself, you FUCKING ASSHOLE. Just do us all a favor and get cancer and die already.

I have to agree with you, JenniBunni. Fifthea is always V-E-R-Y negative and sometimes I wonder why he is in this forum anyway because he don't like anything or anyone...

fifthtea_sausage wrote: It is obvious that the racist here is you. The first description you gave of yourself is the color of your skin. And I don't believe or accept your also racist theory that "other blacks don't like you" because of the music you like. I think you're hanging around with the wrong crowd, its not that they're black.(..)
One thing you should know about "iron thunder' is that she is a lesbian. I would recommend staying away from her, or she will attempt to have sex with you.

Maybe someone who see only the homosexuality of one person, is not the best person to tell to another one "you're racist" (and not tolerant)
@Jenni : you shouldn't get that angry for people like this. they are not worth it.

This sausage guy has always proved, that he is not a part of our society. But I think, that we can learn from these people... we can learn, what not to do, and how not to behave. I thank you for this fifthtea_sausage.

Okay, I think we've beaten up on fifthea_sausage enough already. Okay, his post could be interpreted as homophobic and needlessly confrontional, but obviously he has the right and the prerogative to speak out against intolerance. Particularly intolerance against white people, who have endured the ravages of racism for far too long already!

I mean, it's not as if he has made any racist statements himself or anything. Because, you know, if he had made a racist statement and then went on to call another person a racist, that would make him a hypocrite. But fortunately he hasn't made any such statements.

http://www.stratovarius.com/forum/viewt ... ht=#288403

fifthea_sausage wrote:I'm tired of Arabs; most are assholes like this.
We should invade them all. They are not capable of running their own countries.

Oh. Oops.

I stand by everything I say, generally, but I would like to clarify a few things.

1. Firstly, my statements about Arabs is not as generic as I stated in the heat of a political argument. I do not like Arabic countries, because I'm simply tired of them murdering people from my native country, and my present country. But on the contrary, one of my best friends happens to be a Muslim born&raised in a muslim country.

2. I do not like lesbians and gays. But I am willing to tolerate them and even be friends with them, as long as they aren't obnoxious about it. Sure, iron_thunder is lesbian. Why am I told about it in half the threads she posts? Most lesbians are like this. If you're secretely some sexual freak, keep it to yourself.

3. If you look at what I say, and you say, "this is not how one should behave" (see Beast Pete), fine. Don't act like me, be yourself. But I am not here to make friends, or be "part of the society." I am here to talk about Stratovarius, and upset the people I don't like in my spare time.

Haha i like the way she looks calm and innocent in her avatar, and then....MONSTER JenniBunni!

4. Its something called "Premenstrual syndrome." I've learned to ignore her hissy fits after a while, considering she's made eleven posts, each saying "fuck you." I have a similar ratio, but even I am not so extreme.

5. There is a big difference between hating promiscuous homosexuals and being a racist. A homosexual DOES have control over their sexual orientation. They just get brainwashed in 99% of cases. Plus, even if they don't and its some weird hormonal/brain disorder, they don't have to flaunt it in so many of their posts. Its disgusting.

These are my beliefs.
You can flame me to a crisp. I don't care, I'll be back anyway.

So you stand by you everything you say, except when you don't. Okay then. You sure you're not a Kerry voter?
I mean, either you genuinely believe "most [Arabs] are assholes like this." You didn't say Arab countries or governments, you said "Arabs". But hey, if that's the way you feel about the approximately 300 million Arabs in the world (how many would you say are "most"? More than 150 million? 200 million?), that's your prerogative. But perhaps it would be prudent of you not to call other people racists. Stones in glasshouses, that sort of thing.

Or then you didn't actually mean that but made a poorly worded statement "in the heat of a political argument." Which is fine, most of us have probably made stupid remarks at one time or another. I'm not sure some half-arsed non-apology a few months later (invoking the "some of my best friends are Muslim!" defense no less, as if it had any relevance pertaining to your hatred of Arabs) is going to convince anyone that's actually the case, though.

As for your hatred of homosexual flaunting...please. I seriously doubt you're attacked by hordes of gay men who want to have sex with you everytime you're outside. I also seriously doubt there's a gay pride parade right under your window every day of the year.
There is no difference between being a homophobe or a racist. Bigotry is bigotry.
You don't have control over your sexuality. I didn't choose to be attracted to women, I just am. Oh! My apologies. I didn't mean to flaunt my heterosexuality. Obviously I could choose not to give in to my heterosexual urgings...much the same way I could choose to pick up that pencil with my right hand instead of my left hand.
I'm just not sure what the big problem is if it's two consenting adults. Obviously you're free to think homosexuals are icky if that's your opinion. But you're sorely mistaken if you think no one is going to call you on delusional bullshit like "They just get brainwashed in 99% of cases." Brainwashed by whom? The gay illuminati? Is it perhaps some CIA conspiracy to make more eligible women available for CIA agents who wish to get laid?

So you stand by you everything you say, except when you don't.

I stand by everything I say, conceptually.
If I did not word something in a way that pleased you, I can reword it for you.

." You didn't say Arab countries or governments, you said "Arabs". But hey, if that's the way you feel about the approximately 300 million Arabs in the world (how many would you say are "most"? More than 150 million? 200 million?), that's your prerogative. But perhaps it would be prudent of you not to call other people racists. Stones in glasshouses, that sort of thing.

Because when the arabs slaughtered my people and great grandparents, the people from that particular country were not outraged, but instead were pleased that half my country was systematically killed. And I hate the terrorism of the world which sprouts from Arab countries. Overall, I am disgusted by their behavior.

But I don't have anything against Arabs on an individual basis.
I mean seriously, how hard is it to understand that if one says that I hate Arabs, I don't hate ALL arabs. Even if I say I hate ALL arabs it still just a way of speaking...

But I have several good arab friends, from which I intend to prove that I am not a racist.

Or then you didn't actually mean that but made a poorly worded statement "in the heat of a political argument." Which is fine, most of us have probably made stupid remarks at one time or another. I'm not sure some half-arsed non-apology a few months later (invoking the "some of my best friends are Muslim!" defense no less, as if it had any relevance pertaining to your hatred of Arabs)

You idiot, saying that I hate Arabic countries does not make you racist!
Everyone on these boards hates USA, that doesn't mean they automatically hate all Americans. Just like if I say I hate turks, I don't mean every single turk, or that I will judge individuals by that generic comment.

As for your hatred of homosexual flaunting...please. I seriously doubt you're attacked by hordes of gay men who want to have sex with you everytime you're outside. I also seriously doubt there's a gay pride parade right under your window every day of the year.

I am.

There is no difference between being a homophobe or a racist. Bigotry is bigotry.

I am not a racist.

You don't have control over your sexuality. I didn't choose to be attracted to women, I just am. Oh! My apologies. I didn't mean to flaunt my heterosexuality. Obviously I could choose not to give in to my heterosexual urgings...much the same way I could choose to pick up that pencil with my right hand instead of my left hand.

You don't have control over your sexuality? BS! 99.99% of gays are not born naturally attracted by men. Who were they brainwashed by? The media, their friends, gay people, for various sissy reasons such as they "feel they don't belong."

Whatever Nordic, just keep supporting twisted sexual deviants. They are what is ruining European society, and with an attitude like yours, you probably deserve it. But then again, Europeans don't have morals...I'm sure you're fine with a bunch of gay parades around your neighborhood all day long. I however, I have a sense of right and wrong, and a sense of whats morally acceptable and whats completely disgusting.

fifthtea_sausage wrote: You don't have control over your sexuality? BS! 99.99% of gays are not born naturally attracted by men. Who were they brainwashed by? The media, their friends, gay people, for various sissy reasons such as they "feel they don't belong."

My friend, you're talking complete bullshit. Probably YOU should stop watching these TV-Preacher shows, in terms of getting brain-washed. Homosexuality is not something you learn, it's something you're born with. It is genetically determined (and, by the way, this is NOT a defect or something like that; I just read a statement of some evolutionary scientists who believe it has something to do with reducing violence in a society, and by that means raise the chance of survival for them all).

By the way: It is quite well known that the type of guys that are loudly speaking out against homos quite often are homos themselves. Perhaps you should check it out...

Whatever Nordic, just keep supporting twisted sexual deviants. They are what is ruining European society, and with an attitude like yours, you probably deserve it. But then again, Europeans don't have morals...I'm sure you're fine with a bunch of gay parades around your neighborhood all day long. I however, I have a sense of right and wrong, and a sense of whats morally acceptable and whats completely disgusting.

I'm afraid there are still far too many people in europe that have the same "sense of right and wrong" like you. You can find them on the very right wing of the political spectrum...

I don't like it, when you keep saying stupid things about Europe. We don't have moral? Ohh man, just take a trip to Europe and see it for yourself. Or just read a book about Hungary's history. The courage that we have shown in the last 1000 year shows how much moral we DO have. And we are the part of Europe too. And think about what the Finnish people had to suffer against the Sovjetunion. But they did not give up. And I mentioned only two examples. I bet, that you can find even more.

And no, we don't have a gay parade everyday. Actually, it is your country, which has the bigest gay parade in the World. So if you have a problem with gays, start it with your country, not with ours.

I have to admit, that I don't like the idea of gay parades either. But that does not mean, I can't accept them. And if I'm keep talking about how I don't like the parades, it's just the same as from gays to have parades and showing, that they are gays. (if you don't understand this sentence, just tell me, I will write it again in other words)

Ohh, and what is racism if not hating a race? (the fact, that you have some arabian pals, does not mean, that you can't be a racist, just think about the nacist in the second world war)

Europeans don't have Morals? Thats a sweeping generalization there.
Just because most porno on the 'Net comes out of Denmark, Amsterdam, Helsinki, Germany, etc. does not mean there are no morals! I don't think that reflects the lifestyle of all Europeans, do you? I made the comment once on another Forum that All Europeans were swingers&had quite a few Drama Queens on my butt--the word was "ALL"....too general. Like YOUR accessment of the situation. Would you rather there be an Inquisition-type lifestyle? Would THAT please your conservative nature?
And, a person's Sexual life is NOBODY'S business. Can't you get that simple fact into your skull, FifthTea!??

Just because most porno on the 'Net comes out of Denmark, Amsterdam, Helsinki, Germany, etc. does not mean there are no morals! I don't think that reflects the lifestyle of all Europeans, do you?

Once again, I stated previously that I don't mean ALL Europeans, I mean Europe in general, not on a person-by-person basis. I'm just looking at stats here.

And, a person's Sexual life is NOBODY'S business. Can't you get that simple fact into your skull, FifthTea!??

Please tell this to all the freaks in their gay parades. Tell this to porn stars. Tell this to iron_thunder. If its no ones business, why do I know she is lesbian?

fifthtea_sausage wrote:Tell this to iron_thunder.

Why don't you tell it to her yourself?

mmm, huh...moderators.....

neonlightchild wrote:mmm, huh...moderators.....

Yeah, this topic is to be locked... but who is going to lock it?