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What is it, really....this journey from Cradle to Grave we call Life?
What does it consist of&what makes the tour what it is--good, or bad....a chaotic nightmare just to tolerate, or bliss that every day is an awaited challange to look forward to?

Is it like expressed in Terminator: No fate except what we make ourselves?
Or is there something else involved?

Is there Divine guidence? (Hope not because that would prove God is as Partial&selective as Mankind--a scarey thought!)

Are we all re-incarnated Souls? Do we have to live this base material life over&over until we get it "just right"? And to suit Who?

What is this game called Life? Why do some people win with just a smile&Why do some people, no matter what, end up Losers?

That question has been asked so many times, and never answered. Good luck.

Yeah--Like, which comes first, the chicken or the egg?

Its a mystery---maybe some mysteries were not meant to be solved!

browneyedgirl wrote:Is there Divine guidence? (Hope not because that would prove God is as Partial&selective as Mankind--a scarey thought!)

The god in the bible is very judgmental. One more reason to not believe in that crap

browneyedgirl wrote:What is this game called Life? Why do some people win with just a smile&Why do some people, no matter what, end up Losers?

Part of your fate are all the choices you make... and have made.

You sometimes sound a little bit bitter and as far as I can tell you don't even have a good reason. You and your son have freedom, health and enough food to eat.. just enjoy your life!!

oh, well...its almost based in choices, forget books, tales of the messiah.

i agree with Reroute.

anyway, these days i dont believe so much in my life...i dont know...

Reroute2Remain wrote:

browneyedgirl wrote:Is there Divine guidence? (Hope not because that would prove God is as Partial&selective as Mankind--a scarey thought!)

The god in the bible is very judgmental. One more reason to not believe in that crap

browneyedgirl wrote:What is this game called Life? Why do some people win with just a smile&Why do some people, no matter what, end up Losers?

Part of your fate are all the choices you make... and have made.

You sometimes sound a little bit bitter and as far as I can tell you don't even have a good reason. You and your son have freedom, health and enough food to eat.. just enjoy your life!!

Oh, yes, you do not know my life&what has happened to me. Or my sons life. Things that were really no fault of our own. But, nobody has a perfect life that I know of.
Its not bitterness I feel, rather cynicism. I believe Mankind always has an ulterior motive in doing anything--even choosing people to associate with.
All people make bad choices&have regrets--thats just a part of life. One we have have to live with.
Many people believe in pure Destiny--what happens is meant to happen. Thats not a very happy thought.
However, in all occurances in life a person can look back in hindsight&see that in most cases there was choice. And, life seems to always be a sucession of choices!
It annoys me whenever someone has a bad break in life, a disappointment, or even worse&people will nonchalantly say,"Thats Life". Its better to not say anything, actually.

And, I know what good things my family has, and myself. Things could be lots worse in my life. That is not even the discussion here. I think most of us are grateful for what we have--that does not stop anyone from looking at the other fellow&other people, and wondering,"Why them&not me?" There is nothing wrong in wondering about stuff like that. It is a mystery&maybe we will not understand it in this lifetime, or ever!

browneyedgirl wrote:

Reroute2Remain wrote:

browneyedgirl wrote:Is there Divine guidence? (Hope not because that would prove God is as Partial&selective as Mankind--a scarey thought!)

The god in the bible is very judgmental. One more reason to not believe in that crap

browneyedgirl wrote:What is this game called Life? Why do some people win with just a smile&Why do some people, no matter what, end up Losers?

Part of your fate are all the choices you make... and have made.

You sometimes sound a little bit bitter and as far as I can tell you don't even have a good reason. You and your son have freedom, health and enough food to eat.. just enjoy your life!!

Oh, yes, you do not know my life&what has happened to me. Or my sons life. Things that were really no fault of our own. But, nobody has a perfect life that I know of.

Agreed !

i think life is all those things. that is what makes it so fun and interesting!
So far I have made OK choices, but i do tend to be overcautious about taking chances. Thats just me.

My mama and I have a good and happy life now but it was not always. I will not go into it because it might make one kind of depressed. No one should dump their problems in a forum. I think one must not dwell on unplesantness too much. The present is what counts. As for her being bitter I do not think that is true. She is just oversensetive and gets hurt too easily. She is not a sad person at all. Thats neither here nor there to this topic.

I think the secret to life is to take it a day at a time and not sweat over things you can't control.

well.. everyone's life is different, every person is different..

even if you say that other people have a better life, there's always something those people don't have..

I'd get bored pretty damn quickly if I had a perfect life. I don't have one, and neither do I want a perfect life.

Dave wrote:well.. everyone's life is different, every person is different..

even if you say that other people have a better life, there's always something those people don't have..

I will name an example. Do you remember Sophia Loren? She was a very beautiful movie star of the 50s&60s who seemingly had it all: talent, intelligence, looks, money, her husband was one of the wealthiest in the world. But, she said in many magazines she would give it all up to have a child. She suffered many miscarriages&spend thousands of dollars for surgury to have a baby. Finally after many many years&almost lost hope, she had a son, and had to spend 7 months bedridden in order not to lose him.
The point is, we think someone has it all&may envy them, but really do we know them at all?
I'm sure many women in this childless situation have cried at the unfairness of life, no matter what else they have going for them.

I just gave that situation as an example, btw.

Well, I do not believe in destiny, but in free will, that's just me, (I'm wild. ) And I don't give a shit if there's a God or not no more, 'cuz if he/she's there...it's not paying attetion to the pain down here. So, if God is ignoring us, the hell with him. At least Satan wants to tricks us, so he spends time 'with us'.

Karma? Well...I don't really remenber having a past life, and if I did, I don't remenber anyway, so...why care?

So, I've been living the daily life lately and that's it, I don't even like to make plans, this freaking shit called life is so...weird that I dunno where am I gonna be to-morrow, or if even alive....(So far this year I have made only 2 plans (And one of the just gave a wild turn against me))

And so, I don't even ask those questions, there's no point, u're just gonna complicate ur life trying to find a meaning. Fuck the meaning.

Sorry, for my lenguage. Fuck I'm pissed off...I shouldn't be apologizing.

i believe in choices and the concequences that result from said choices, that we may be arrogant, ignorant, moronic, selfish, resentful, idiotic, or goodwilled is what makes the choices vary... usually im surprised humanity has not killed itself by now, but thats just me

stratoplayer wrote:i believe in choices and the concequences that result from said choices, that we may be arrogant, ignorant, moronic, selfish, resentful, idiotic, or goodwilled is what makes the choices vary... usually im surprised humanity has not killed itself by now, but thats just me

you took the words out of my mouth. thanks, it saves me stumbling over my words.

btw, don't worry-- i'm sure the end is near...

iron_thunder wrote:btw, don't worry-- i'm sure the end is near...

I'll pray so those words come true...soon....

Umm....who am I going to pray to?

Oh here! Vodka!

Equinox wrote:

iron_thunder wrote:btw, don't worry-- i'm sure the end is near...

I'll pray so those words come true...soon....

Umm....who am I going to pray to?

Oh here! Vodka!

Sure! Whatever helps you through the day!

Equinox wrote:

iron_thunder wrote:btw, don't worry-- i'm sure the end is near...

I'll pray so those words come true...soon....

Umm....who am I going to pray to?

Oh here! Vodka!

i can think of lousier deities

@iron_thunder: no prob, im usually pretty morbid and cynical, the fact that many of my friends are like that too helps me formulate my deeper more abstract thoughts

stratoplayer wrote:i believe in choices and the concequences that result from said choices, that we may be arrogant, ignorant, moronic, selfish, resentful, idiotic, or goodwilled is what makes the choices vary... usually im surprised humanity has not killed itself by now, but thats just me

That will probably happen one day. Mankind after all, was dumb enough to invent the Bomb!

A simple answer to a complicated question. Luck . Hopefully it stays on my side till Grave. And as said, fate is just small choices that form the big thing we call life of ours. Because I don't actually believe in God All Mighty, I don't believe in that divine Guidance.

And I think we are not re-incarnated souls. Maybe we are just pieces of meat ,muscles and bones and someone is controlling us. How do you think of that?

Everything is cause and effect. A certain outcome may appear to be coincidental, but that is merely because the factors deciding the outcome are so manyfold and so complex, not to mention not always obvious or visible.
Take for example the throwing of a die. To us it would appear that whatever result you get, it's completely random. However, if we knew and could measure "everything", that is how exactly you threw the dice, the gravitational pull at that particular point on earth, the air pressure etc...we could calculate exactly what side would be up when the die landed.
Likewise with free will. It is a set of synapses firing according to a certain pattern, determined by a complex set of factors I'm not even going to dare speculate about.
In that sense there is predeterminism or fate...if we knew everything up to a certain point in time, we could determine exactly what would happen beyond that point.

My point? If you think too much about these sorts of things, you'll get a headache. For all intents and purposes, there's coincidence and there's free will.

I think most people know my answer

htcdude wrote:I think most people know my answer

Yes, I think I know some of it.
Unfortunately in this Forum you have to keep kind of low key to avoid conflicts. Thats too bad,because your opinion is valuable, too.
Someday we all will know the answer!

What an difficult question! Life is the thing between birth and death = Life is life. Everything what happens between birth and death are part of the thing called life, whatever these happenings are. But this is someone's life, not life itself. Life is the time from first living being to the bitter end of the world we know. And this is still only life on earth and not life itself...

Well, a person can be alive(have life) and not be living. Know what I mean? I mean if a person has a dull, meaningless existence it can become taxing, leading to depression. There has to be something in everyones life to give it purpose.

BTW, that smartass phrase,"Get a Life" always sickens me--its childish&immature to say that to someone. Who started that stupid saying anyway? Someone who did not have a life themselves? It sounds so judgemental to say that to someone because "not having a life" is probably not even their problem!